@Helz , these two posts make up what I genuinely have as a case on FB.
@Mike
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Every time I read your name right now this pops in my head
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I love me a last minute gang bang, not gonna lie. TAKE ME AS I AM JESUS
Anyways, I'm still hung up on Mike. This may be my tunnel vision but once I notice something, I'm fixated. I cannot understand what MattZed see's in him. I admit, he is very productive and contributes, but I don't see anything original being proposed besides his wagonomics, which was literally based on pretty much nothing, imo.
A conversation created out of a fake vote in RVS, contributing, sure... but has no actual basis. As I said before, nothing stipulates the terms in which how you must participate in RVS.
FB said some shit and Mike was like OMG RIGHT!?!?! (Definitely paraphrasing the jist of the response) WITH TWO PEOPLE CLAIMING CIT IT NARROWS THE POOL. well, firstly, a claim of anything narrows the pool. Right now I hard claim I'm a big fluffy bunny. You can now conclude there is one less fluffy bunny to find and look further into the other fluffy people around. EzPZ. It's just a very blanket objective statement. Anyone can deduce that any claim narrows the pool *shrugs*
The rest from him is pretty much unoriginal and responses to questions. Ask anyone a question besides what are your reads, and you'll most probably be answered with some sort of formulated response. As was done by Mike. Of course if you have rose petal glasses when it comes to a certain slot that you'll tend to favor the response as opposed to rejecting it. Lol.
I understand y'all men like some dick sucking here and there, but MattZed, I truly believe these responses are formulated to appease you. Nothing outside of wagonomics was really original. And he didn't create wagonomics himself.
*on a side note, I find people to pull out all that fancy shit to be try hards* oh look, MattZed usually does all that fancy shit, MattZed loves fancy shit, so of course you're gonna get a hard on when someone says something that appeals to your caliber of game play. Take the damn glasses off and question what the motivations are here for the love of God. You are a goddamn legend, same as Helz. The play here really feels like swaying the two people who have the best ability to influence people for ulterior motives. Appeal, appeal, appeal.
And outside of that, FB has done what? Oberon has done what? Frinckles has done what? MM has done what? All looking like flies on the wall to me (pot calling kettle black, I know). Just watch three people dictate the course of the game, and if your town believing one of these three hardcore (which is everyone besides those three) follow the one who seems the smartest with the best formulated the opinion. *shrugs* formulated ANSWERS DONT MEAN SHIT, THEYRE CALCULATED and based on ones biased perspective.
Oh of course then there's the adding of the low hanging fruit to the lynch possibility list, AND I LITERALLY HATE PEOPLE WHO MAKE PREFLIP ASSOCIATIONS, THAT SHIT IS SO FUCKING SUS. Based off any game I have every played on this site, every single person who has ever made a preflip association within the first day has been scum. Or just MattZed.
I cant take two MattZeds in this game and MattZed tries too damn hard and does all that fancy shit which in turn makes me question whether that shit is genuine as well.
But to be clear since I ain't no fence sitting bitch, Mike at the bottom of non existing list. MattZed would probably be placed in the town section for the rest of the day cause my brain would explode if I even bothered looking into that.
Due to the love and support he's gotten so far, I highly doubt the train i suggest would gain momentum. But thats what I feel is correct and I ain't budging. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. and unless someone does something worse than faking sincerity to appeal to others, I'm keeping my vote parked.
-vote Mike
I thought this was supposed to be a high effort game?
I'm being trained for lurking for 12 hours? Soft as fuck.
Y'all can fuck all the way off with that. Unless someone has specific, concrete, logical reasons to lynch me I don't wanna hear any more bullshit.
Non game related but next time we have a game night I will drop you a line. I should warn you they can be moderately ridiculous sometimes.
I am digging through everything now. Off the top of my head I felt like you were strawmanning Frinckles posts but we will see when I get there.
I do feel MattZed has points I would sum up as:
Your survival focused
Your opportunistic on Frinckles
Your focus is exclusively on Frinckles while he would expect a town to hunt elsewhere
You are very widely scum read
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Im working now digging through you.
It would be helpful for you to dig through another player. Keep in mind if you really are town and we end up derp lynching you it will push your win condition forward given that your words will come from the perspective of a post flip confirmed townie.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I don't want town to mislynch day 1.
It's not opportunism. He's talking out the side of his face, overstating his confidence in his reads. He admits that they don't make sense and then doubles down on how great his reads are.
Focus has not been exclusively on one person. That's false.
I'm scum read for being absent for 12 hours but I've been posting for almost 18 hours on and off now. I've more than made up for it.
I'm not doing much without sleep.
If y'all lynch me before I wake up town is fucking retarded and deserves to lose.
If Mesk hadn't come in here with that massive post, I'd be threatening to put FrostByte at L-1 unless he claims cit/TP1/TP2.
I'm going to read into Mesk and what she said. (probably re-read Mike while I'm at it) Should have something to say within 30 mins.
All I can say is that I have no intention of ending the day early.
If you are town I feel that your best defense would be doing something in addition to attacking arguments against you given that one of the points made against you is your survival focus.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I can concede to @Mesk514 that I may be overconfident on my Mike townread, but I'm still giving him some form of a town read. As far as I can tell, he's almost the only one willing to scumread more than one person. Granted, this could actually be a sign he's faking confidence and doesn't know how many scumreads a town should have at this point. Mike is just acting so differently from everyone else, and he's changing his mind a lot faster. If all I knew about a player was that their reads stand out and are constantly shifting, I'd consider that a scumtell.
But I think it's more likely that he's just *aggressively* looking to find scum any way he can. He's not under any pressure right now, and yet he's aggressively trying to get the most out of D1 in a way that I'm not seeing out of anyone else except maybe Helz. My current theory is that what makes Mike's play so "different" from everyone else's is that he's tryharding as town right now, while the more experienced players are being more reserved because they know D1 is hard. (see how all of Helz' reads are soft) I am serious that I see a less experienced version of myself in Mike. He's putting in a lot of energy into playing this game, and I'm not seeing the sort of deception/ sowing chaos that I would expect from a tryhard scum.
I'm downgrading my read of him to a mild townread because I have instincts pushing both ways. I certainly don't think he should be in the yeet pool today/tomorrow, but I'll still be mulling over what Mesk said about my biases and re-evaluating Mike in light of any flips that happen. (NOTE: some flips, like FB flipping scum, could increase my confidence in a townread)
I'll take it, but not enough to make me budge from my stance.
"My current theory is that what makes Mike's play so "different" from everyone else's is that he's tryharding as town right now, while the more experienced players are being more reserved because they know D1 is hard."
but see, thats still based off your bias of him being town. he can try just as hard as any scum *thinking emoji here*
I like Mesk coming in with thoughts. (@Helz, I wonder how much of it was because you suggested adding her to the yeet pool. I'm curious how you read her in light of her post, given your alleged poker history.) They're sensible and consistent. I saw Mesk early on fighting against overstating things in D1 when there's no material to base it on, but now that we've had a lot of content she's willing to take a stand. Don't create chaos, but state your opinions when you have a moment of clarity. Feels very pro-town, and combined with my meta read... is Mesk my strongest townread?!?
I'd have to re-evaluate Helz/MM to know, but Mesk is definitely up there now. I'm not at all comfortable adding her to the yeet pool.
As far as I'm concerned, yeet pool is FrostByte+Frinckles+Oberon. I'm really getting low-effort town vibes from Frinckles, and would go to Oberon if FB claims TPR and doesn't get CC'd.
With this clarity, I can no longer tolerate FB's lack of a claim.
@FrostByte , claim cit/TP1/TP2, or die. If you're a cit, I also expect to see something OTHER than a tunneled case on Frinckles. We really don't have the time to get everyone on board for another train, so if you have something exonerating to share, it's time.
-vote FrostByte
@MartinGG99 , I know I've seen you browsing this thread, and you know you're probably about to replace in to Dark Magician.
Your slot is basically scum by default for most people's reads. When you place in, you're going to need to give some solid contributions if you want to survive. You've seen this coming far enough in advance. "Hey guys, just joined the game, catching up" is NOT going to cut it D2.
okay, bias was not the correct term there. or maybe it was, idk, I'm tired (I typed 39 pages size 8 font in 16 hours and haven't seen my bed since Tuesday 6am), but I was merely trying to point out your wording here. Your theory is based on the fact that he's trying hard..... as town, but you don't know he's town... (unless you really do)... you just know he's trying hard... and you think that makes him town. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW HE'S TRYING HARD AS TOWN.
you know what, as I write this I begin to feel stupid and am catching myself overthinking. i get it, your belief is in this case he's tryharding as town.
*feels stupid*
no wait, what...? no... i think my point still stands, cause you're saying what makes him different is that he's tryharding as town, which means no one else is tryharding as town? just mike?
GODDAMN VYVANSE, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE ME ARTICULATE.
as a side note, I'll totally admit Helz mentioning gangbanging me pushed me to make a long post on my phone, which i very much wanted to avoided cause 1-phone, 2- tried. Fuck, even Mike said sleep drunk doesn't translate well. lol, it really doesn't, but anyways... Ya can't ping me to sign for a game, have someone give up their spot for me, and then mislynch me day 1. I have very little dignity when it comes to this site, but I will never allow myself to be lynched day 1 with my name attached. (see some sort of arsonist/douse checker game where MM tunnelled me to the point i spiraled and just took the noose to prove howdumbfeeble his read was)
-unvotethis is not a scummy mindset. I do not like my vote in him I doubted my own reads becuse you all told me and you Helz that I was the only one town reading him. I thought maybe I am wrong I have hard town read a player before and they where scum maybe I am missing something. But I do not feel right voteing on FB. Flame me post game if I am wrong on FB Idgaf I will not put my vote back on him for day 1.
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I am also a fancyshitter
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-vote unvote
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Mmmmmhmmmm
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anyway with that in mind, i'm activating the onenote
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The above portion are players I'm willing to step away from for now. The bottom portion are players that I feel need to be pressure significantly more with some exception to DM's slot.
Oberon
Mesk514
MattZed
FrostByte
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Marshmallow Marshall
Mike
Helz
Dark Magician
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and yes, i just made DM's font Comic Sans
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and since you two are both online (lucky me) can you two talk as to whether you'd like to lynch FB or not?
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Like a lot of things are plausible:
Oberon is just bombastic powerwolfing
Mesk is lying about citizen meta for the first time
Mattzed is a bad dude like corn pop
Frostbyte is the king of misunderstandings
But then I see you cats pillow pushing
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At this point in time, I have no doubt in my mind that I could convince you all to lynch FB by EOD.
Therein lies a problem because I am not convinced he is scum entirely anymore. He could be, but perhaps I'd need more from the identified parties.
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Or perhaps FB has not done a good enough job in professing how town he might be. Even a slot I'd give a pass to (Mz) pushed me subdley and then retracted it. Muu high effort low effort.
I can figure that out later. But to those of you who are town, try talking to other people.
Before you bring it up, yes I know you said this earlier Helz. But since I'm in this position I thought I'd reiterate it again.
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Anyway I think those are all my thoughts for now.
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But barring a bus speculation, there is no reason I shouldn't take a step back to examine things.
(Oberon in the last game was a different thing.)
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I'm just looking for a conversation fellas. I know helz enjoys the essays and im okay with that.
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In two posts I will level up from low-effort to high-effort posting
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Crap didn’t realize this game started.
Wait did I even receive a rolecard?
Hold on.