you have your eye on helz, does that mean you are scum lookout and stalking him?? :P
you have your eye on helz, does that mean you are scum lookout and stalking him?? :P
Mike, you know if you and MM are partners. I don't. If you believed saving FB means you're definitely town and could never be scum, then you wouldn't be voting Frinckles right now, because Frinckles changing his mind on FB was one of the MAJOR events of D2. You BOTH bailed on the FB train, which is why I had to bail. Your reasoning isn't consistent with how you're voting right now.
(For the record, there are a LOT of reasons someone might switch trains. They could see it's not gaining traction. They could have changed their mind after that person's defense, or that might want everyone to THINK they changed their mind. Someone else even scummier could have appeared. It's even harder to speculate when that person's role isn't known.)
I'm not even putting much effort into defending Frinckles. I have a hard time seeing Frinckles as scum, but the only people on his train right now are my top scumread (MM) and you. My goal today, especially with how we can't skip, is to push scum.
There's a big difference in what I said and what MM said: I said Mike had the same level of paranoia I had, which is why I thought he was town.
MM, on the other hand, didn't SHARE your paranoia about Oberon. So how does MM know your paranoia was sincere? Frankly, it seems like excessive paranoia given how anti-town it would be to not CC Oberon if someone's TP1. I don't know how MM could see your paranoia level as honest WITHOUT being informed.
And I think MM is trying to pocket you. (or is perhaps your partner, but I wouldn't be speculating this until AFTER MM flips) Seeing town motivation in NAI or even lightly scum-indicative things to gain your trust.
MM wasn't the only one pushing you. I was pushing you. Helz was pushing you without voting. If you really see me vs. MM as TvT, then there's only one other town left if you're town. (and maybe a town-siding neutral) You either see MM as scum OR you've basically figured out scum by PoE.
If you think Frinckles is more likely scum than MM, then just vote Frinckles. We can't skip today.
NM I found it
Spoiler : Mechanics :
48 hour days which are shorted to 24 hours upon day 3.
Majority lynch. Mandatory day 1 only.
Last wills and death notes allowed. Last wills are heavily encouraged.
Mafia share a factional night chat but do not have a factional night kill.
When one mafia is lynched, the other one gains its night ability and may choose to use it instead of it's own.
OoO Is as follows: Jail > Consort > Escort > Soul Swapper/Soul Ripper > Investigations > Kills > Heal/Holy Spirit save
OK, I missed this I need to reevaluate my reads. Becuse why would Matt out himself. Wow I can see why Matt is scum reading me now.
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To be clear, my reads are:
Confirmed Town: Oberon
Town: Mesk, Helz
Townlean: Frinckles
Null: Mike, FrostByte
Scumlean: None
Scum: MM
You were bleeding town for the first half of yesterday because I felt I could really see where you're coming from. Somewhere in the middle of D1 you started making posts I didn't really understand. And you've made a LOT of posts, some of which have grammar errors that make them harder to read. But I've always thought there were better targets, so I simply haven't bothered going through an ISO of you tbh. Once we sort out MM, I'll form a harder opinion of you again.
(I'm VERY confident MM is scum. I'm getting a lot of flashbacks to a game where I found BananaCucho as scum but so many people were pocketed and it was a nightmare to sway them otherwise. At this point, I'm pretty much willing to thunderdome MM. I haven't seen town perspective in his posts in a long time, and the REPEATED misrepresentations of my posts are hard pinging my scumdar. )
@MattZed PLease can you post a reads list. top town down to top scum? and explain why your reads are what they are? I still believe MM is Town. I still can see a world of you and frenkles. But I can be wrong.
OK
Helz: I am reading town or he is litterly the the biggest town sideing Mafia I have ever seen.
Oberon: I know becuse of no CC is lock town (only becuse he is now confirmed TPR1).
MM: Is bleeding town to me. ( I fought hard defending him When I was the Confirmed Viggy and town wanted to lynch him and Town won) he is playing the same here as he did there.
FB: This is a ladder game. FB has just felt honest. I agree with MM read. I do not think MM had TMI. I had the same feeling as him. The Fact MAtt is so tunneled on that bad read feels like he is trying to scum paint MM for a ML.
So still by PoE scum has to be in Frenkles, Matt, and Mesk.
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I'll admit I do have a lingering doubt that the scumteam is FrostByte+Frinckles. Frinckles pushed really hard to get rid of the FrostByte train yesterday, and FrostByte isn't hopping on the Frinckles train yet today.
I think Mesk and Helz are town. I have trouble seeing Mike with a teammate other than MM, so MM's flip would mostly resolve Mike's alignment for me.
I'm at least 90% certain MM is scum but *IF* I'm wrong, I think FrostByte+Frinckles are a scumteam by PoE.
Now that I think about it, almost looks like MattZed baited that vote out of me. I said I didn't wanna vote MM, he thunderdomes, and then calls on me specifically for a vote.
Why are people townreading MattZed? Feels manipulative as shit tbh
@MattZed , I'd rather throw my vote on Mike than MM, but if you'd rather resolve MM first, I'll sheep you.
is this mattzed push a meme? the dude has been actively trying to gamesolve
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the DM lynch was shitty but I can atleast understand why he voted there.
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and saying everyone is gamesolving is absolute nonsense. we have 1 dead town and 2(3) scum players throwing misinformation like what
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at this point I want tpr 2 to just fucking out so I can solve and collect my points this is ridiculous
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Lol. This reinforces my belief that I am right.
I kinda understand though. I woulda totally broken the game. I bet a scum player wrote the host for that clarification to happen. Wouldn't be the first game I have broken : P
We can still use this situation though. If all town decides to no-vote scum absolutely HAS to vote or they are fucked. This means they will out themselves at the cost of 1 town life if we can get all players on the same page and agree to go along with it.
Also, The host clarified to me that BG does not trigger on a bunch of roles. This strongly indicates our TPR 2 is a Sheriff as that BG, Doc, and Soul Swapp all need a Hitman to hold value and there was no kill last night.
I will also point out 20 minutes until mid day so update your last wills if you have anything critical to say an assassin is likely imo.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
BRING THE RED PAINT BUCKET!
High paranoia like this nearly always comes from town in my experience, because town is looking for the truth and has the "stress of being right". And as you can see, I did say I shared that paranoia and solved it myself without having to post it.
Also:
Ohohohohoho, you just gained a lot of scumpoints right here. I was pretty sure I had never said that alone without elaborating, so I clicked the little blue arrows . @ EVERYONE, if you go to the post I just quoted and click the little blue arrows in first quote of that post, it will lead you to THIS:
It's quite obvious here that I'm saying they seem to genuinely believe they are righteous in their push, but that the very difference between Frinckles and FB, which makes me read them differently, is that while Frostbyte is pushing Frinckles and really looking like he believes in it, Frinckles is replying to being attacked, and scum can defend themselves in a genuine manner when they believe they were caught for the wrong reasons.
Mattzed, if you were town, why would you literally CUT OUT the information from the quote and then say "nowhere did I say why FB's push was honest"? THIS is not honest.
I'm equally ok with Frinckles or Mattzed lynch now.-vote Mattzed
renegade is the assassin
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Please explain what exactly tells you this is MM's town game, especially
I actively see a scum perspective in what he's been up to. Throwing shade on me because I was making D1 productive, misrepping why I cast my votes, trying to take credit for getting everyone to announce they weren't CC'ing Oberon. (even if he's now backed down from saying that's what he was doing) His top scumreads, Oberon and DM, have turned up town.
Yes, I want you on MM. If you're thinking Mike is scum, think about who his partner could be: It's not you, (you voted him) it's Frinckles (he was on the Mike train), it's not me. (he's willing to accept my thunderdome and switch to me) So it's Helz, FB, or MM. I think we both agree Helz has been incredibly towny this whole game, especially with his push to not yeet before we found out we couldn't. So unless you think FB is Mike's partner, you're still catching scum. (For the record, I think MM is scum and I don't have a strong opinion on partners between FB and Mike atm, but probably would when I get around to ISO'ing them)
Not sure if the honorable rules of a thunderdome allow me to vote Frinckles if I want to, but if they do, sure :P.
And by the way, MattZed - Frinckles makes sense as a scum team. Pushing Frostbyte without defending Frinckles while those two are in a thunderdome would be a pretty nice and logical move if Matt was in a team with Frinckles.
@Helz if there is an assassin then our only confirmed role dies in like 5 minutes rip oberon
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Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
-vote Bullshit off player vote to force a no lynch
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Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Tbh I missed the post you painted red. (a post that came AFTER my vote) My scumread on you goes *slightly* down for you giving a reason, but it's still a weak reason that only came out after I called you out on it.
I cut down the post to address the critical point, but if you actually WANT the context, let's have it:It's quite obvious here that I'm saying they seem to genuinely believe they are righteous in their push, but that the very difference between Frinckles and FB, which makes me read them differently, is that while Frostbyte is pushing Frinckles and really looking like he believes in it, Frinckles is replying to being attacked, and scum can defend themselves in a genuine manner when they believe they were caught for the wrong reasons.
Mattzed, if you were town, why would you literally CUT OUT the information from the quote and then say "nowhere did I say why FB's push was honest"? THIS is not honest.
I'm equally ok with Frinckles or Mattzed lynch now.-vote Mattzed
WHERE. Where in any of this are you saying *WHY* you think FrostByte is being honest?
You've doubled down on your misreps again. "Ohoho MattZed cut down one of my incriminating posts, let me suggest he's leaving out crucial context and hope no one checks there's actually nothing exonerating in what he left out."