So me Voteing you is opportunistic???? a claim that helps mafia narrow down the PR pool??? Frinckles I respect your play alot more than this. I can not see you as town Hard claiming Citzen Day 1 with no push on you to claim. Then Lieing and saying you claimed becuse you have been on L2 and L1. My vote stands. If I was opportunistic I have had other people I would have jumped on and could have.
This makes me want to lynch you even more.
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Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
@MattZed Can you explain your townread on Mesk? You have mentioned it multiple times but I do not recall any specific reasoning.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
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I will say that I very specifically only trolled before then and posted the host ping in chat because I believe a player gets an unfair advantage when they play without knowing their role if they are scum. I felt like that sort of information needed to be revealed to the other players.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
[QUOTE=Mesk514;906937]citizen mesk reporting for duty.
So you come in and immediately claim cit? Why would you do that? If you're town you're narrowing town TPR pool for scum. This isn't the play. At all.
[QUOTE=FrostByte;907346] This is my point DING DING DING. Mesk claims town early. Then Freckles then claims town later on. If they are both real BIG IF. Then that leaves only 2 Cits left rest PR HMM MAfia knows who is mafia. Nuetral knows who is Neutral.
Only 1 Neutral.
So from MAfia PoV. if neather one of them claim Cit then they know 1 can be Neutral and other is prob cit. point is makes the Pr hunt easyer for mafia. Now Neutral would claim cit eary to have mafia keep from night killing them. Mafia will claim Neutral early to claim I early claimed cit so i am confirmed cit.
We lynch in the Cit claims best odds for Town to hit Mafia or Neutral.
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@FrostByte
I know a lot of people are poking you right now and there is no rush but I would genuinely like to hear your answers to these when you have time: Its in reference to you saying my pushing the town to use last wills could be signaling scum.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I am reading them plenty. Giving a "reads so far" wall with no explanation isn't helpful. You even admit that your reads are trash because you couldn't see MM and me being scum team.
But, again, you're voting me for not giving a bullshit trash readwall.
Fuck that. That's fucking dumb as shit.
I haven’t seen anything AI from most people. The only thing that struck me as AI is MattZed saying that hes townreading most people. He seems to think a lot like I am this game. Hard town lean on MZ.
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You’re not being genuine. This feels like your scum meta.
It's not. When you've played a role more than once you can easily get past your kneejerk playstyle. Consider how your actions affected mass perception of you in past games and act differently. Got scum read for lurking? Post more. Got town read for shooting straight? Call people out on their bullshit.
If you're playing scum you can ISO yourself from your old town games and try to emulate that perceived mindset.
Experience in games naturally leads into meta manipulation
Senator
During the night you may submit a message to the host to be posted the next day.
The message must contain a demand of some sort (EX: I think we should lynch Barack Obama)
If the demand is not carried out you gain a one use night kill.
You may use multiple night kills on the same night.
Holy Guardian Spirit
Assigned one person at the start of the game.
Can choose to save that person once per game.
If that person dies that night or is lynched the next day, You die instead.
Vengeful Harpy
You have no night ability.
You must see your target lynched.
Your target is ___.
If your target dies at night, you turn into an Insane Harpy.
You have a one use auto vest. (+1) You keep your vest if you turn into an Insane Harpy.
Insane Harpy
You have no night ability.
You must see yourself lynched.
I dont think we have an insane harpy unless it is DM becuse it does not make any sence why they dont just out and get the free win.
I dont think we have a Vengfull harpy unless it is DM becuse I am not seeing anyone pushing one person over another.
So that leaves us
Senator
During the night you may submit a message to the host to be posted the next day.
The message must contain a demand of some sort (EX: I think we should lynch Barack Obama)
If the demand is not carried out you gain a one use night kill.
You may use multiple night kills on the same night.
Holy Guardian Spirit
Assigned one person at the start of the game.
Can choose to save that person once per game.
If that person dies that night or is lynched the next day, You die instead.
And no one seems to hard on protecting anyone so I am going to lay odd that we have a senator. Unless DM one of the other 3.
World Building time
Oberon with Frinkles ???
@FrostByte With ???? no one likeing him other than me.
@Frinckles with Oberon or Mesk ??? or Solo Neutral.
@Marshmallow Marshall with ?????
@Dark Magician with ??????????????????????????????????????
@Mesk514 with Frinkles or Matzedd ????
@MattZed with Mesk or Helz ????
@Helz with Mattzed ????
I would love to hear from each of you and tell me worlds you can see partners in. also if I am wrong on any of my posible worlds please explaine why I am wrong so i can update my notes if i agree with you.
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Your notes clearly reflect you are paying attention but no, I am not going to post my thoughts on associations yet. It would reflect what I am looking at and allow those players to alter their behavior. Its just too early to use the patterns effectively imo.
I would also not rule out a Vengeful Harpy yet. The classic play is for them to wait a day or two and claim a PR with a damning lead.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
To a limited extent. But it pushes the gamestate forward into deeper play and allows other people to read you.
We have roughly 22 and a half hours and a lynch to decide. Waiting for more information just is not an option. Even pushing some tinfoil theory allows others insight into your play.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
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"its kind of early to worldbuild anyway." = a different way of saying "these reads are shit" just because you didn't use those exact words doesn't mean you didn't basically say that exact thing.
Infatuation? Exactly many times did I bring it up?
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
It's pure meta/gutread. I recall it was a *major* controversy back in the day that she would only claim cit when she was actually cit, and say nothing if she was scum. (I forget what would happen if she got a TPR, but I think silent there as well) Given Mesk's reputation, I think claiming cit really is alignment indicative, and nothing else I've seen gives me the impression we're seeing a different Mesk from the one I remember.