You are definitely overthinking this. Scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves by turning the Oberon train from RVS to "oh he might get yeeted." Would be VERY MUCH a powerwolf play, and many of the players with the energy to be powerwolves are probably town.
But the possibility that he's scum and his teammate just isn't voting him is very real.
Just because of the way the game is kicking off I am going to start by advocating our days end lynch is out of a lurker. Voicing support for this incentives players for participation.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I should clarify and say 'low contribution player'
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Unrelated, but @secondpassing , I see you lurking the forum. If you're thinking of playing FM sometime soon, I look forward to it! It's been a long time.
"naw they cit" can just be something said without much conviction at the beginning of a game, too. I don't think that's AI.
Can you explain your scum leans a bit? Or are those just gut reads?
Also, is saying there are only 2 scum a neutral slip??? :P
I'm not gonna pressure vote cause fuck that, but I can contribute to the encouragement of participation
@Dark Magician
This interaction (including the posts I'm not quoting but that are about Mike's post with a potential neutral slip) is:
- not SvS (pretty elaborated and out of nowhere at the beginning of the game, I doubt it's scum theatre)
- looking good for Mike, considering both objective value (reaction testing here is plausible and good) and meta (Mike does that a lot as town)
And Helz is saying good and logical things, but I strongly doubt he only does that as Town, so I'm not gonna read into that.
Not having posted 7 hours into a game (I think that's what we're at right now?) isn't a sin; I just happened to see the game was a thing quickly enough to post, but I could very well have been the one having posted nothing. On the other hand, Frinckles appeared and as you said, had the chance to post; we were scum together in Undercover and he wasn't particularly talkative and even less useful to town, so I really prefer that option ^^.
bruh, just because the conversation has moved along doesn't mean I have the answers or some sort of hypothesis as to what is going on.
If you really encourage participation from my and my slot, remember I DONT DO READS DAY ONE.
i honestly can and never will day one go getters, because I'm too stupid to do it myself *shrugs*
but anyways, Mike came in kinda piggybacking on y'alls conversation already going on. I don't think it really contributed to any part of the small exchange and was just fluffy.
the marshall is just annoying in many different ways, but in game wise, he's generally just a poker regardless of faction so I don't take it as anything indicative.
yes, further down the line it could be used as a supporting argument for me to justify why I believe Mike has things that indicate him to be scum, but for now it's just an observation, as honestly, and quite truthfully, there is nothing that has happened here that really means anything to me.
Yes, I consider alternative RVS and RVS game stages less than the game. I personally favor alternative RVS because it allows for everyone to become familiar with the setup and consider what scum hunting tells and techniques to favor as well as how to handle different situations in advance. In comparison random voting also builds to player analysis after people start pushing reasoning and removing the random part but it does not accomplish anything else (unless your playing a more 'normal' version of the game where peeks are sheltered.
Breaking RVS should always be the goal of any town and it should be even more of a focus this game considering we are forced to do a D1 lynch (in my opinion.)
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I didn't say I don't vote, I just don't provide reads. That typical list that people do, yeah... i don't do that
and quite honestly, I rarely do it anytime throughout the game 😂 but you'll hear it from me when I got someone worthy of my vote. there's just nothing here that I believe is valuable enough to form a read on anyone.
I agree. D1 reads lists are pretty silly. I personally only favor them because it pushes the overall game tempo forward. It irks the hell out of me when D2 starts as mindlessly and light as D1 started. I figure its less about your individual reads so much as it is about allowing other players to read you and getting out of the early game fluff.
Its also nice later in the game to look back on because it forces scum to take stances.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I don't really believe in vote pressure early D1. I doubt anyone gets voted a few hours into the game and sees it as a real threat. I probably more use my vote to call attention than anything else. The real pressure comes from saying "I am willing to lynch this person"
Do you feel me voting Mesk will change her behavior more than me explaining my thoughts on how sharing reads D1 is a pro town action? I think that girl does what the fuck she wants and if you force her hand to play the way you want her to she will just dig her heels in. I say that having probably only played with her once years ago because I know her well.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
i was poking at the fact that you suggested helz potentially voting me to apply pressure on me. Pressure away, makes my job easier when others do it for me. But pressure on me does not scare me, cause 1- I know I'm a citizen, 2- I believe any case made on will have flaws and hopefully the good people here with brains will pick it apart. Including myself assuming i don't get the noose for some half assed bullshit
In light of my recently quoted post, you're probably right.
Is this just what townHelz is like? Just being reasonable and thoughtful in the way that maximizes how much pro-town discussion you can get out of everyone else?
It just feels like you're an entirely different Helz, and I will be very sad if you die the first time we're on the same team in a long time.
Okay, I've just about solved the game.
Me+Helz+Mike+Mesk+MM are all town. There are at least two scum in Dark Magician+FrostByte+Oberon+Frinckles. Unless there's a Senator out there, we just yeet the 4 of them and win.
@MartinGG99 , is this what you felt like last game when you ended up townreading everyone you interacted with D1?
And before you ask how I found 4 town so quickly:
MM and Helz are town for their push for pro-town behavior and that I generally understand where they're coming from
Mike is town because he's REALLY trying to get shit done and actively making valid cases. Being the first person to say his vote isn't random is bold. (although it could be bold scum, I'll admit)
Mesk is town because this really seems like her town meta and my gut instinct is that she's not trying to be deceptive right now.
This is my obvious town play. I can't say I dont do this as scum as well but last game was different because regardless of if you were Town or Scum players should have wanted to stay away from that pegg. I would have made an effort to make myself feel a little scummy that game even if I was town.
But yeah, I intend on being such a bloody nuisance that scum decide to kill me : )
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I wish you'd use a little more WIFOM than that... *I* want to be the obvtown.
I really don't remember if it's normal for him. But we had a LOT of votes in the first 100 posts, and thinking about wagons is generally a solid way to mechanically analyze the game. I agree it was early, but it would have been early for *any* technique he used at that point. I strongly relate to falling back on mechanical techniques in the face of uncertainty, as you may recall. <_<
Totally unrelated to this game that was a beautiful play although it didnt work out. I had never really considered approaching the game like that. Gave me all sorts of new ideas to tinker with. I even thought of developing a sort of tool where you could designate confidence levels and enter flips and such to try to quantify your own reads.
And I do get his reasoning. I just disagree with it. A few hours into D1 shoving someone into hammer range is a really balls out play for a wolf to make. To suggest the lack of someone doing so on him speaks to him being scum is a pretty hard reach for me.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Something that just occurred to me, We may want to consider keeping our last wills updated throughout the day if your working up complex reads. The Mafia Assassin has the power to day kill at the 24 hour mark or days end. We could counter them preventing a read from dropping by dumping the notes into a LW update just before those times.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
see but that's another issue... who the fuck cares about what happens in RVS. on this site, it pretty much is what it is, RVS. there's no rule that stipulates you must participate in RVS as a member of the town. anyways, there's a lot that can be knit picked when it comes to this, but I just believe that whatever that was, was just an attempt to appear to be to be proactive. the basis of it is really nothing imo
For participation Frinckles, FrostByte and Dark Magician are the ones hurting the most by my memory.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I would agree with Mesk that lack of participation in RVS is not AI. You could Wifom that scum would even have stronger motivation to participate and meta it out a bit.
Honestly if someone wants to point to Oberon's meta to make an argument for that being AI it would catch my interest. I was a bit more interested in Mikes reasoning than the FoS itself.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.