You are a condumdrum. This post is so dam towny.
Oberon I was scum reading but his reactions is so Town MAg. I am not wanting to lynch Oberon today. I gave MM a day 1 pass but you are right that town read on me as his top town has me off.
I truly do not know who i want to see lynched today. I do not want to put anyone above L3 not with 3 scum out there. Hammering does not mean Scum. So many people say oh scum would not hammer that would be outing. Scum and town hammer all the time and dont get lynched the next day. So dont give me the it is ok to put someone to L2 or L1 becuse if anyone hammers they would be outed.
I would hammer in a hartbeat and I am town. and so would many of you here. so Pressure Voteing is not a workable thing this game. It only outs our PR's
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I am going to hardclaim citizen now though.
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You've completely missed the point of my post. I'm not implying it's scummy to skip RVS. I'm implying it's scummy to only defend yourself against *some* of the arguments against you (wagonomics) but ignore others, (skipping RVS) especially when you're only addressing the one several people have picked at. (wagonomics)
Haven't you read several of my past games? I'm not a 6-layers-of-WIFOM kind of player. I'm very straightforward with my intentions: I think Helz is town, (currently my #2 townread) and I want his behavior to remain unambiguously towny and strong. I want to get the most I can out of townHelz, and that's what my post was about.
id be okay with lynching FrostByte or MM here. Too much hand-waving from them.
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-vote Frinklesfrinkles knows how important PR’s are. In Insane Asylum he faked being cop just to get town to lynch the real one and got the other outed so they could kill thee we t night. 2 PR kills for the price of one mafia. Well played.
I can not imagine town Frinkles to EVER out as Cit day 1 with one Cit claim already out there. Makeing the PR pool even smaller. Mafia knows who they are so 9-2 is 7 people who can be 1 neutral 2 PR 4cits first cit claim makes it 1neut 2 pr 3 unknow cits. 2 makes it down to 2 so mafia will have better odds to find the PR with people claiming cit. and Frenckles knows this.
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unless that was another Mike reaction test moments (you and Oberon do that so much)
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As someone who really relates to your thought process: D1 yeets are hard. Being able to know someone is 100%-without-a-doubt-scum on D1 is basically impossible. But it doesn't mean you're completely taking shots in the dark: 25%/33% of the other players are scum (depending on if Neutral is Senator or not) If you can get to the point of being 50-50 on someone, you've greatly increased your chance of actually catching a scum, and that's worth something.
Personally, I'm getting a bit close to 50-50 on some people just by PoE: I think you, Helz, and MM are town. Mesk seems likely town. Picking my top scum from FrostByte+Oberon+Frinckles+Dark Magician is hard because DM literally hasn't responded yet. FrostByte gives me mild town-meta vibes, so I wouldn't put him at the top of the yeet pile for today.
-vote FrincklesMy vote did not take.
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I disagree, but I'll let Oberon speak for himself and give his own conclusions on the matter. Wouldn't want to give him a "get out of pressure free" card, especially since he hasn't been highly active (not lurking obviously, just not super active).
Erm, doesn't that imply you're town though? This would be begging the question.
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Since you put me at L2 for real this time, I guess I could hardclaim citizen again for you
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@Frinckles , further updates on this post would be much more useful than however it is you're engaging with Mike's confusion.
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Agreed on Oberon, less so on Mesk but I can see it at least a bit
Pretty early for that... It's not like you were getting instantly lynched, lynch is plurality + majority and early hammers are universally recognized as bad. You could have at least tried to change our minds first.
What is "hand-waving" in this context?
Fair point, but you weren't at L-2 and even less at L-1. And again, early hammerers instantly go to the lake of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, so your fear is exaggerated here.
And exaggerated fear of early lynch usually comes from either noobs or town. Since you're not a noob...
-vote FrostByte
"Town is in a bad position, the first two pages are only shitposts!!!!"
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No.
Im back and catching up. Should be able to play today, the thing went quick.
Also @Oberon
You do realize that when I was cracking wolf jokes with Matt I did not have a role card yet right? There is no way any of that could be AI.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
"Being straightforward with your intentions" certainly does not apply to your scum game, unless you say outloud "Hey, time to mislynch X!" as scum, in which case I missed something :P. Your point about townreading Helz does make sense, though; what I was saying is that you fired a discreet shot at him. It's not big, just something that stood out to me.
What else did you want to know? I think you asked me if low-posters might be scum this game? That'd be me and DM right? So obvious no to the first one and maybe to the second?
The way I see it is, many players have the ability here to effortpost the living hell out of the game and look towny so finding information and rhetoric is what I'm doing this game. Oberon (who needs to stop fake voting) fits that.
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Something that pinged me on this is how could this possibly benefit scum? And why would I push town favored strategy to communicate with my team mate if I had a wolf chat with them?
I kinda wonder if you actually had any thought process here or if you were just painting me.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
And Frostbyte. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc....posted&t=47841
Especially Frostbyte, seeing this:
He disappeared after this. He wasn't even eating tacos like Helz was. UNFORGIVABLE.
(but seriously, saying this and disappearing afterwards with the lowest post count in the game after the host is bad)
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I'd actually move Mike down to a scumlean for jumping on my cit claim so hard (which was funny because I asked him to re-vote.) Unfortunately, scum!Mike would just say it was a test.
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Or would he? :00
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It'd be nice to have an explaination on "hand-waving" Frostbyte and I are supposedly guilty of. Especially since our plays seem rather different this game.
Strong townreads: Mike
Medium townreads: Helz
Medium-low townreads: Mattzed, Mesk
Low townreads (aka soft townleans): Oberon, Frinckles
Null: DM
Scummy: Frostbyte
Scum: @Varcron
Roflol Umguss much?
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My vote on MM was a test to see if frost would back off.
You hard Claiming Cit and over and over repeating I asked him to revote. as if you are seeking town cred.
Yes it is townie of you to ask some one to revote you when they make a mistake on the vote. But what is not townie of you is to keep bringing it up for town cred.
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I've seen enough to actually change my mind on who I'm most interested in.
-vote FrostByte
His going-against-the-grain attitude really reminded me of his town play last game, but after looking over all *11* of his posts this game, there's nothing I actually like. It's good to have town who poke holes in the accepted narrative, but they aren't actually *good* pokes. There's one post I skimmed over the first time that really bothers me now:
Giving Helz a scumlean for one of his more town-contributing posts isn't right. Of all the content ANYONE has posted in this game, that's what catches FB's eye and makes him scumlean Helz? I don't buy it.
I'm open the possibility FB simply misread the setup or what Helz said, but I'm locking in my top scumread for now.
For the record, I'm classifying Frinckles as being low effort this game, and this post is the sort of thing I'd expect from a low-effort town in response to my questions.
Weak townlean because of low number of posts, but enough to not be in my top-3 picks for today's yeet.
To be clear I do not feel that RVS evolves into alternative RVS. I literally see the plays as the 2 commonly used strategies used to achieve the goal of getting the game rolling where players are reading etch-other. Both randomly voting and digging through the setup and pushing strategy do the exact same thing in my mind. I also feel like most players dont understand how to use normal RVS. They have to push reachy insane reasoning with their votes so more and more logical reasoning can be used to break RVS. Look at our D1 and that was not happening from the majority of the players.
As for pressure I do pressure. I just dont believe in throwing a vote on someone and expecting it to have an effect. Consider Frinckles. Multiple people voiced concern that he was around but not participating and wanted to push him to participate so they threw votes. But there were no questions for him past a vague message of 'participate' so when he came around I 'pressured' him by expressing the situation without beating him with a wet noodle saying "GIVE ME CONTENT NOW."
I feel that true pressure comes from people expressing "I am willing to lynch this player" because even if a player has no votes on them any experienced player will recognize they could be thrown into a CFD lynch and are in danger of the noose at the end of the day regardless of the vote count.
This sort of line of thought is the type of thing that makes me more comfortable with Marshmallow.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
@FrostByte , if you're town, I would like to see the following from you:
1. Do you still have a scumlean on Helz for pointing out we should keep LWs? If no, what changed your mind?
2. Who do you have reads on, and who are you still uncertain on?
Mind meld.
As I pointed out earlier thats what bothers me. Its like pushing "Hey I found a Tell" so I had to ask.. What is that tell? I have trouble thinking up any world where saying "Town should update last wills" has any coaching value to scum and the setup itself requires no such thing when wolves share a chat.
With that in mind I could see this as an indicator of fake scum hunting in an effort to paint or blend as hunting.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I'm uncertain on literally everyone because almost everything D1 is either shitposting, MUH META, or setup speculation. I legit fucking hate giving reads d1 because it's always wasted effort.
I was still basically asleep when I made that post, I don't remember what the fuck I was thinking. If it comes to me I'll let you know.