Ok will log on later then, I have church and eod is during church so I may not be on at EOD. I will park my vote on skip to to allow our sheriff check another check. Also should sheriff out if the have a red check when it may be wrong becise of mafia buss driver.
Another thing that bothers me is this if mafia does have a hitman and did hold it and sence no one was role blocked they may have
Illusionist
You may clean a target at night.
Cleaned targets leave no last will and their role is not revealed.
You will learn the identity of the cleaned target after they are killed.
This ability has 3 charges.
The clean wears off at the end of the following night.
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Oberon outed as TPR 1 day 1. Yet he was not killed hmm ok and he was not roleblocked.
If I was mafia I would be scared of a Lookout. If I could not kill him I would RB him 100% with no fear of dieing.
So I belive mafia does not have a Role block. If they have a kill it is prob The janitor role. They may not have killed becise of possible BG that makes sence. Hitman only has 2 kills maybe they trying to figure out the. TPR’s to kill the confirmed. But if we do have a sheriff this is an auto. Because we skip let sheriff get checks now we don’t know if mafia has buss driver. Meaning if the don’t they can’t kill or else they put themselfs as the sheriff checks are real.thai is beautiful. If they do have a buss driver they don’t know who the sheriff is checking but the sheriff don’t know who is being bussed. Then we back at square one.
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Definitely not finishing the Mike ISO before EoD. I have to head off IRL soon. At about 100 posts into the ISO, I'm leaning a little on Mike being town, but I'm still confused. He posts A LOT, but a lot of his posts either don't make sense or show he's missing part of the setup. He aggressively pursues any possible "slip," and he changes his reads when it turns out the "slip" has a good explanation or can't actually be a slip. But after all that, I don't at all agree with his reads. If I had to be on the spot right now, I'd give him a townlean as a confused townie trying his best to make sense of what he's seeing, but there's still a lot about Mike I just don't *get*. I should have a clearer picture once I get through his D2 posts.
This is my last post of the day.
FB for the record if you’re town and your defense is just insults literally never play this game again
I am starting to think mafia is better informed becuse they know there roles. Also the tpr 2 is better informed becise of knowing there role.
If you are sheriff consider mafia having buss driver. If you are buss driver or medic or BG consider mafia having a hitman.
If mafia has hitman they most likely have the janstor.
If mafia has buss driver I am guessing agent.
I can not see a world mafia has an RB and did not RB Oberon who could have been Lookout.
I am leaning to sheriff because with Oberon being Journalist I would suspect town have some invest.
So my world is this
Town Journalist/Sheriff or BG/Soul Swaper/Doctor
Mike
Oberon
MM
Helz
FB
Neutral Mesk exe target me( blind tunnel on me )
Scum Agent/Soul Ripper or Illusionist/Hitman
Freckles
MattZed
This is based off last night no feedback from anyone.
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Wow is is truly ISO ing me. I honestly thought he was full of crap. Why would a mafia spend the time doing this? I know I am all over the place when I am town. When I am mafia I have it all planed out and it flows. Go read my town game when I was Fred. I was confirmed Viggy and town was treating me just like town is treating Oberon becise he does not make a lot of sence. But that is town. Town is uninformed. People forget that.
I know this is going to get me scum read but writing this also got me to think about Helz. So well so smooth so Town.
Dam this game is getting harder. Matt is all over the place he was not marking sence to me so I scum read him for it. What is he is town. Fuck me all these what iffs.
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You, mr CLAIM NEUTRAL AS PTR TO GAUGE REACTIONS AND LITERALLY LOSE THE GAME FOR TOWN have the fucking nerve to tell me I shouldn't play FM?
You? Who is literally an obstacle for town every fucking time you roll town? And literally no trouble at all to scum hunt when you're scum? You're telling ME that?
Holy fuck the irony is gonna give me an aneurysm.
When you have something to say that's worth more effort to defend against I give you the effort. You flip flopping constantly isn't worth more than the effort it takes to type a few words out.
Well I am off to church I don’t think I will be able to be back before EOD.
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I am not going to lose to someone who continuously insults me. I would rather lose to MattZed, Frinckles than win with you lol
Skip Day (3 [L-2]):
Oberon, Mike, FrostByte
Mike (2 [L-3]):
Frinckles, Mesk514
MattZed (1 [L-4]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Nobody got voted off.
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S-FM Eternia
DAY 3
@Helz has died this night !
Their role was : Sheriff
A death note and a last will have been found next to their corpse :
Spoiler : Death note :
Spoiler : Helz's last will :
BREAKING NEWS :
Another newspaper delivery has just arrived, here is what has been said :
Spoiler : News :
PLAYERS CURRENTLY ALIVE :
@Oberon
@FrostByte
@Frinckles
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Mesk514
@Mike
@MattZed
PLAYERS THAT HAVE FAINTED :
@Dark Magician (Citizen)
@Helz (Sheriff)
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7 players alive, 4 votes to hammer.
Welp, I've already lost. I was Helz' Holy Guardian Spirit.
I tried to get him to act less towny, but to no avail. I certainly wasn't expecting him to give such a strong Sheriff perspective D2. (I used my protection N1, figuring that was the most likely night to kill him)
I'm going to continue to help town to avenge Helz and take the scum down with me, but since I can't win don't expect a lot of activity.
My ISO on Mike, for what it's worth:
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Mike has been very broadly been doing ONE thing for most of the game: tunneling Frinckles because Frinckles claimed Cit at L-3. There's the occasional responding to matters, but he's just so focused on Frinckles. He mostly stopped looking at other people (although his townreads on MM and FB strengthened) Who else is scum to him? Me, because I'm "defending" Frinckles.
Between "town tunnel" and "Mike is scum," I have to say I think Mike is scum. The tunnel on Frinckles doesn't make too much sense: he'll reconsider an Oberon tunnel after a bit, but not Frinckles? It's a *great* excuse for content: just keep posting the same read over and over, and you don't need to provide anything else. He's latched on to ONE person, and he hasn't shown many signs of looking around for other scum OR digging into Frinckles' post history to find reasons he's scum other than the claim (which isn't really AI, tbh) OR that he's being OMGUS. Highest poster in the game and his main attention has been shallowly on one person? Sounds fake to me.
Helz didn't mention he was kidnapped, so he must have been killed by a Hitman. There's 1 kill left, and 3 of us confirmable non-mafia: Oberon, FrostByte,(TP2 can't be soul switcher) and me.
There are two scum and two cits in: Mesk, Mike, Frinckles, MM.
@Oberon , @FrostByte , I'll sheep either of you you want. But the win is basically guaranteed at this point:
Assume AT LEAST one of Frinckles/Mike is town. A SvS in their interactions here are EXTREMELY unlikely. Thus, at least one of Mesk/MM are scum. Yeet them both, and there is AT MOST one scum left. Then we yeet everyone outside of me/Oberon/FrostByte. Scum can kill at most one of us, and never gain majority.
I really think it's MM, but you don't even need to agree with me. As long as you agree Frinckles v. Mike isn't a SvS and agree that I'm on town's side, the game is mechanically solved.
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
damn, Helz's strongest scum read but my reads were pretty spot on, frostbyte is town and MZ was the neut...lololololol
I can honestly see a world where Frinckles and Mike can be both scum, driving each other to L-1 doesn't really guarantee town points, but eh, it certainly lessens the chance of them both being scum.
I'd rather Mike over MM... your iso explains it MZ.
In case someone isn't believing my claim, I've crumbed it A LOT. I have OPENLY neutral slipped several times (calling for cit/TP1/TP2 claims, never considering benign neut, I've considered the possibility of someone being Vengeful Harpy, etc) I used variations of the word "Holy" "Guard" and "Spirit" in posts directed at Helz, sometimes doing so with really awkward phrasing. I honestly stopped keeping track of all of them, but the posts include 18, 26, 52, 55, 57, 127, 151, 386, 963, 964. I said in post 16 that Helz was "my peek." If you're seriously doubting my claim I can dig up more posts where I did things specifically directed at Helz to let him know.
I determined fairly early on Helz was town, so I needed to side with town to win. For those of you townreading me, THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS BASICALLY TOWN. I just had the harder wincon that town needed to win AND Helz needed to be alive for it, which was basically impossible.
@FrostByte my good sir, your input?
As a side note, I have 3 papers to write over the course of the week, so tonight I'll be pulling an all nighter. So while I will basically be pretty busy, I do plan on being around watching the thread if anyone wants to participate with me
Confirming me is good for town but godamnit I like being scummy. Sitting right on the edge of scumlean/townlean is the most fun for me. Now I'm just boring old confirmed citizen.
I'm gonna spend some time ISOing interactions between a few different pairs to try to out scumpairs. I'd advise anyone town or town adjacent to do the same.
Not gonna immediately jump on a Mesk wagon because Helz is smirt but fallible. Gonna double check his work.
eh, not gonna judge you on that one.... but his scum read on me was pretty much cause I put him as a neutral. It was pretty much a how dare I read his as neutral cause I was clearly supposed to read him as the TPR.
looks like someone else picked up on that one before I did 😂
lmfao you're right. I was trying to WIFOM a little bit EoD saying Sheriff wasn't confirmed but I had a strong suspicion Helz was Sheriff. It just kind of got brought up at some point? Or Helz softclaimed or something.
If you end up flipping scum I'm gonna thank you profusely for shitting on established metas. Maybe people will fuck off with that shit because it's not useful if your read target has 80+ IQ.
Copypasting my last will written overnight:
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Now of course this flip and Mattzed's claim change things lol. There can't be both a Sheriff and a Doctor, so Doctor can be immediatly ruled out. Mattzed being non-town but still townie makes sense, and I have the clear memory of his "Is this how town Helz is like, logical and pro-town" (paraphrased) post during early D1, so I'm ready to believe him. And since we have a Hitman in the scum team (Kidnapper is to exclude because I dare suppose Helz would have put "I was jailed" in his last will), I'm ready to say Mattzed is a relatively pro-town force we can play with, and am supporting his existence among us.
I just thought about something
@auwt, if the Hitman targets someone being protected by the Holy Guardian Spirit, one of his two kill charges is used even though the target does not die, correct?
If so, that means scum cannot kill anymore