The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.
Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?
wonder how many ppl who work as fucking janitors cleaning shitters @ the superbowl get pissed off cause they gotta do their job instead of spectate the game
if its such a big deal, and u wanna play so bad, /resign/ and /advise/. dont ruin the overall quality of games to cater to the fact you want a red name but still be treated like a standard user.
cant have your cake and eat it too
besides, mm was decent enough to add a 2nd chair to his desk so he and deathworlds could rub elbows in the same office doing the same job. surely deathworlds is competent enough to independently run the show if mm wants to "go on a vacation" and hop on an alt and play an sfm, no?
and if staff don't circlejerk and swallow eachother's loads daily, then surely if mm is actually wronged in a game, deathworlds would independently see that and act without even knowing mm was on a smurf, right?
deathworlds is a marshmallow marshall vpn lmfao
this is so sad
What about petitioning the next host of the next game played to not allow players with colored names?
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
also @Voss considering how shady you're being about this topic, im totally not apologetic anymore for griefing ur minecraft house 7 yrs ago
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
lmfao sorry but that's wrong. personally i have no problem with mm. we've had our times but dude doesnt live in my head rent free.
frostbyte and i are on the same page. its not about staff colors. it's about administrators actively moderating in game they're active in
idk how many times i have to reiterate this
also it was @SuperJack i griefed, i think. he used 2 have that doctor who tardis pic. or he did when i griefed him. confused yall cuz ur similar
mesk was done dirty, absolutely. similar topic/issue 4 sure, but its not inherently anti mm. mm just seems to be at the center of the drama
I don't think you're on the same page, but whatever.
If the problem is admins actively moderating games, I think fm staff is going to put out some formal announcement if they haven't already that that behavior is to be discontinued. And the hiring of deathworlds AND putting up the "help wanted" post is supposed to alleviate this. This was already mentioned.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
we're not on the same page. we're just quoting eachothers posts and supplying supporting evidence for each other. right.
im glad you can determine for us that we're not actively on the same page as we both collaborate off-site about what we're trying to get fixed. you're fosing me instead of actually addressing the issue, and continuing to sidestep frostbyte's reiterations of my questions by not replying to him anymore, but replying to me instead.
if this were an sfm i'd be-vote voss'ing your scummy ass so hard right now
and i scumread 2/3 of mafia in the last sfm i played so ima go ahead and trust my reads. you're scum defending mm without actually saying anything in his defense
I personally don't have a problem with staff flipping their colour off during FM games. I am not FM staff though so my opinion isn't law.
We can take a poll about it? At least to see where everyone is at on it.
They have an effect, I just don't think it gives the mods an unfair advantage per se. I believe I made my position clear before. Other forms of reputation have a much greater effect on the game like "being widely regarded as a pro", and sometimes being red can backfire if ppl use it to smear you. It's not like being a cop at all, I think that analogy was totally misplaced. If I had to compare, a mod signing for an FM game is a lot more like being a politician who's decided to take public transport with the plebs lmao. But even that analogy massively overstates the class divide.
I like anon games for the reasons ppl have stated, but I also like games that aren't anon because ppl's relationships and reptutations add another layer to the analysis. It can get taken too far though, certainly.
If I had to give an example of red backfiring, I remember many years ago Arrow being a red lead PTB to believe Arrow's bad play "had to be something deeper because they're red and all the reds have their shit together" even tho Arrow as a total noob at FM and was an admin concerned with sc2mafia. It didn't sway other ppl, but it got a vote on the train that lynched him. In PTB's defense, Arrow did flip scum
I 100% agree with this. I have never been affected by peoples red/blue/green colour. The only argument as I see it is that they could insinuate you would be breaking rules/getting infracted by playing in a certain way, and while I’ve seen them trying to ‘bring order’ to games, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that abused.
I remember back in 2010 I was playing the beta with some guys from a pro league scene and mentioned in a thread about Minecraft we ran west and set up a base. By heading west I mean we ran for literally 30 minutes while also traversing oceans. Some other guys from the scene joined the server and were so committed to trolling us they also spent 30 minutes or more looking for our base then proceeded to place bedrock everywhere and nuked our builds with TNT.
Good times. I became a pariah amongst the fellas for "leaking" our location. "aha went on to smash rumoxs shit and found job already done. tx"
I'm not comparing myself, I'm comparing the situation actually. The different analogies I addressed depicted quite well the situation.
Okay I understand your in depth thought, yet your example also work for a non-staff player.
Just replace the name "MM" by "Bruno" and "Mesk" by "Host". And you would see it could also happen.
Therefore the only solve to your problem would be to only play full anonymous game, not only staff.
I'm not following this.
honestly I think this is a non-problem lol
This post reflects the unanimous stance of FM staff after internal deliberations.
About the part of "subconscious bias due to colored names", I'm going to give a clear, unambiguous answer: no. We are not going to stop having colored names in games, and this decision is final. Here's why.
Does having a red or purple name affect how people subconsciously view us? Perhaps, to a very small extent. So does having literally every damn attribute. That includes having a signature (people will view you slightly differently if you put hostile posts in your signature or if you put a cute cat picture instead), having a post count (can be used to estimate your experience), having medals (which can inspire respect to newcomers and give a feeling that "this guy is good"; if I may add, it's not something users can willingly manipulate) and as was already mentioned, having an avatar. Does that mean we should forbid these things? The answer is no. It makes no big difference (personality does), and those things are useful and part of forum culture. Same goes for colored names, including staff ones (and I'd even say ESPECIALLY staff ones, since they make it obvious who's in charge of moderation and where). And even then, we give out colored names for FM Champions, aka ladder winners. People don't go and scream it "subconsciously biases them", come on. Literally EVERY MAFIA SITE has colored names for their staff, by the way, and nobody is "treating them differently because they have a colored name".
Also, remember that if staff members actually abuse their power, they are to be reported; nothing changed here.
Topic closed.