You are more than likely a BD. You can switch yourself with anyone else. A dragon head hitting you makes absolutely zero sense especially when you could be an operator from their perspective.
On the other hand, I cannot do anything to protect myself so a protective role on me makes sense since I hardclaimed scientist. Am I misunderstanding?
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There was no nightkill so logically:
Dh never attacked
Or
Dh was blocked
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Why would dragon head attack Frinckles, though? This TPR heavy ass setup means he was bound to have some protection.
DH is trash or there's still more fuckery we haven't found out about yet
Okay, I should be back for enough time to read up. My gut instinct is that Frinckles is scum; he discouraged setup spec yesterday, made the fluffy/distracting "friends list," and is currently claiming that the largest counter-train is scum. He also didn't fight to make sure day didn't end early. And the whole business about his scum list being the low-posters. When I read it the first time, it all felt like a scum trying to slip by and lead the town away from productive discussions. Soon, I'll read back through his posts individually and see if I still agree with my first instinct.
But first I'll share my thinking on the mechanical angle:
I'm assuming the Switcher DIDN'T successfully switch last night. If they did, why aren't they outing the person they switched to? EZ lynch on someone who needs to die for your wincon to happen.
For Frinckles, there are then 4 possibilities:
1. He's a Scientist like he says
2. He's a non-scientist town
3. He's Triad
4. He's a Switcher and has been so since D1.
In case 1, right now he's chasing down someone he gained insight on as a power role. His claim D1 was because he legit thought his role was about to become useless, and he was exasperated. A suboptimal play to reveal, but maybe understandable.
In case 2, he's a huge hypocrite making -1000 IQ plays by fingering someone he doesn't actually have a lead on. Going to assume this isn't the case we're in
In case 3, he's driving up the largest-possible train that isn't him using a role he claimed yesterday. It would have been bold to fakeclaim Scientist yesterday with the possibility of a CC, and he'll be exposed pretty soon if he misyeets today. But if he's Triad, his lie is buying him another day and potentially another dead non-triad.
In case 4, he's just lying his ass off to make sure he can survive another night where he'd probably Switch. In this case, I'd suspect his Switch failed last night, rather than him having chosen not to switch.
DH needs to hit the right targets which means he believes im real. Risking a hit on a triad fucks their game up so yolo hitting or going through a BD is dangerous.
Tbh I didn't even consider locksmith a possibility until Martin said that, I just assumed maybe they didn't hit, which is a fine strategy here
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I don't at all agree with this, though. Why would Martin claim BD as an Operator? He would know FOR A FACT that there's at least one BD that isn't him, and Oberon was plausibly going to die anyways. Bus Driving doesn't give feedback, so it's not a role that's hard to fake. You don't need to be an Operator to lie with "oh yeah, one of the people I swapped was locked, and that's why there was no kill." It's pretty easy to come up with that.
One thing I want to know is why @naz claimed who Dark Magician visited before they had the chance to say something for themselves. IMO that is a big misplay and there was virtually no reason to claim at this point.
Our collective scum radar just all lit up simultaneously.
This is exactly why I asked him that same fucking question when he was commenting on the interaction between the two of them before. Seems like he's scum giving scum directions/feedback/ giving DM an out and making it easier for him to respond to Frinckles.
Seems like he's legit mad that DM is getting backed further into a corner
I'm still 10 posts behind, but I'm just dying to share this - why aren't ppl giving due thought to the idea that Frinckles was switcher d1 and switched with DM on n1? Scientist is probably the best TPR to claim as switcher because it allows you to "prove" yourself day 2 when you "happen to find the switcher the next day". This way regardless of whether you end up with triad or town you get you can claim to be proven.
Frinckles hard pushing Oberon for all of yesterday could be viewed as a performance to make us think he couldn't possibly know Oberon isn't switcher.
It's tin-foily but yh.
If you guys seriously don't think that Oberon deserved to be lynched yesterday you are out of your fucking minds.
I do not care what his flip was. He absolutely deserved to die for a plethora of reasons.
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For full disclosure, I don't know how I feel about Frinckles' day 1. He can have games where he's apathetic town and just lets bad credibility build and whiffs. Though I really don't feel happy about his own assessment of how day 1 went.
@Frinckles when I referred to the "trains" I meant the first train on Oberon that ended roughly after he claimed BD and me, DM and rene all unvoted. The second train refers to the one initiated by Martin's BD claim. I understand that you voted him continuously, though.
Let's run through this scenario:
If Frinckles took DM's role, and that role is town, Frinckles really shouldn't be lying about that right now. Why claim to be Scientist instead of admitting "hey, I was Switcher yesterday, but now I'm town and DM is the new Switcher"? The fakeclaim is just entirely unnecessary, and inconsistent with his advocacy of lynching town who lie about their roles.
If Frinckles took DM's role, and that role is Triad, then the lie is paying off like you said by giving him a cover. It would also stop DM from knowing, for a fact, that Frinckles is the one who stole his role. If we're in this world, I'm interested to see how things play out from DM. (@Dark Magician, if you were Triad but someone stole your role last night, please say so. We may be willing to lynch the new Triad and let you switch out tonight)
You're putting too much stock into the early lynch hurting town imo. In a normal setup with an informed minority mafia you'd be 100% right but given that mafia don't know who other mafia are it ended up being a wash as far as which side came out on top.
I mean, more discussion time would've been great because I personally love d1 shenanigans and trollposting but mechanically I don't think it was bad for town in this setup.
There are way too many people here who would unvote if the train got too big before Unknown could respond. You're basically arguing against never voting in the first 24 hours of day so turboyeets don't slip by. Just put your vote where your mouth is.
Okay, but WERE YOU THE SWITCHER?
If you respond to this post with an answer OTHER THAN YES, I will never believe you claiming switcher for the rest of the day.
i agree their play was the worst but some votes on that turbo felt very much ad hominem and not even considering the BD claim or.. ending the day so early we get no more information. I mean, you were so sure the wagon had no scum in it before. do you still believe the same?
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Deathworlds and MattZed had both said not to end the day early, but were both on the train that lynched him.
I'm not going to argue with whether or not Oberon should have been lynched, but there was no reason to need to lynch him that early.
@Auwt , if someone with a night action becomes a Switcher N1, would they still show up as visiting someone N1?
I think I'm gonna lean in Frinckles' favor here.
I would vote DM near EoD.
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Lol can locksmith target the same person over and over? Thats busted
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No. I'm talking about YOU, you dingus
Even after the BD claim and Oberon had again invoked the host in an anti-switcher way (claiming he PMed Auwt an explanation of his fakeclaim) you still felt 9 hours was alright where 5 hours was not. If you opened the day by saying "I got emotional and fucked up" I'd have more respect than this post-mortem rationalization you're attempting. This is not the same as Frostbyte's situation at all
I'm okay with you holding onto the specifics of your night action for a while, but I'd really like to hear more analysis. We have someone hardclaiming an alignment-confirming investigation, and the suspect directly contradicting it. And yet both of these people were fingered BEFORE any of this night-check information came out.
Really, just a "lean"?
He was around when Oberon reached L-1 the second time, no?
If you leave someone on L-1 you're saying you're okay with them dying rn or you're bluffing that you are.
The same is true of DM. Who was totally chill with the guy who's defense he hadn't even fully read about to get yeeted by DW.
Why are you so stuck on this? I didn't get emotional nor did I fuck up. I was straight up tired of his shit and didn't believe him because I had no reason to at that point.
If this is the only contingency stopping you from voting me or DM then just go ahead and do it because I'm not wasting time on it anymore. Your priorities are whack.
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