Helz, who do you think the 4 triad are as of right now?
Because I'm not really following your train of thought at all in your arguments. It feels like you pulled a 180 in terms of your stance on roles based on a role-claim but aren't willing to comment (atleast not right now) on my mechanical solving comment and say that it's illogical. I am trying really hard to follow what you're saying but it feels very inconsistent.
How is it doing it wrong? Tell me how it's wrong to point out that Naz and Renegade have a very small chance of being triad? Or how the only way you could be town in this situation is if they are both triad or if Martin is somehow lying about his claim? You are in the same position as me in terms of knowledge and aren't seeing it even slightly the same way as me and it doesn't sit well.
I would like to know if you think day 1 Renegade wouldn't protect Frinckles, regardless of other peoples opinions on them.
Frinckles was most likely the fucking target of the DH @Helz , so your theory is bullshit.
So now your saying because I am trying to lynch Triad I must be scum >.>
I couldn't make that convoluted logic up if I tried.
Very unlikely. Players almost always claim a cover role that fits their PR if they can. With that said both of them have a Town and Triad version but for either of them that version places them in the Triad Random.
Between the two of them Renegade for sure. Seriously man. I kinda want to throw something at you. Would you be saying this same shit if I had started with a read on Naz? Its early D1 and I spent the majority of the time so far interacting and have just started digging for reads. Please excuse me for not having focused on every living player in a 2000 post game in 2 hours. By all means feel free to point out how scummy that is of me.
I could point out that you are blatantly picking which arguments fit crafting this story on me. The 'Giving Naz a pass' was me saying that lynching the Triad Random clears Naz so it makes sense to hold off. I was also emphatically clear that the list would shift around once role claims were made. If anything my push on Renegade perfectly fits my reasoning in that post in that his lynch will likely clear Nas to an extent.
Your last few posts do not even feel like scum hunting to me. They feel like you are just reaching for reasons to paint me as scum. You might as well point out how me not looking at any other living player in the game while I was digging into Renegade equates to me being informed Triad with them at this point.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
You're right, you scum-hunting definitely makes you Town because triad can't hunt for their own teammates. My mistake
I'd like to know why you think Naz's actions make her more likely to be town than Renegade. IMO Naz is almost confirmed triad because I don't believe that Renegade is Moulder in this situation.
There's a difference between focusing on every single person and throwing concerns on someone and not following through with Naz. I've seen your scum-read on her disappear to suddenly being town for potentially the same reason you're criticizing me for scum-reading you.
I can't comment on the last part because it's mostly just a biased attack on how you think I'm interacting with you. I think the chances are very small that you're town especially with the way you've flipped a lot of your views this day, and I disagree with most of the ways you've approached being Butler and looking at other players.
It is very possible to use mechanics and scum-hunting to lynch triad. You don't have to pick between the two, or focus on one at the same time.
A very large part of my read on you is your role-claim and how it fits into the setup. You can disagree with me on how it's a valid way to read a player at the end of the game if you feel so strongly about this. I haven't seen a reason as to why I should think that I'm reading this situation wrong.
I am not saying that your mechanical solving comment was illogical or that you are doing it wrong. I said that the earlier stuff (I want to say was in page 39) was done wrong because it made 4 or 5 assumptions and then drew conclusions in a game with no association tells. Stuff like 1 scum between Frost and Matt when there could be more than 2 citizens and Frost had not even claimed citizen.
This is my statement on your post:
I don't get where you think I have called what you said Illogical. I very emphatically state that it takes me a while to look through and want to do it when I ISO you. When you take a very concise statement like this and twist it into "I am not making sense and I am inconsistent" it really makes me feel like you are just trying to paint me as scum. Unless you are drunk right now or something...
...Are you drunk right now or something? Like.. Legit..
Its not.. At all.. Even a little bit.. Wrong.. In any way... What so ever.. To "point out that Naz and Renegade have a very small chance of being triad?" together.
D2 there we conversations on this. Of every town role in the game Frinckles had claimed the literal only one that was useful to the Triad. Any other player in the game would have been a better target to protect even if you forget the fact that Frinckles was very widely scum read.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
That's not even the conversation im talking about. The one where I said MattZed or FrostByte have to be triad because of roles fitting into the setup is what i'm referring to, which is quite solid if Martin is actually Bus Driver which at this point im betting on it.
Already answered. It would be nice if you actually answered my comments instead of telling me I'm playing drunk....
So explain how you can't see where I'm coming from? You've said I'm not trying to scum-hunt but these arguments are clear as day as to who the scum can be and who the potential pairings are.
Other peoples opinions don't reflect individual intention. Oberon claimed Switcher as Bus Driver where most people would say it's an evil play. Renegade locking Frinckles' house for town-reading Frinckles is not a triad play, nor is admitting to doing it in the first place.
I don't disagree with you on this. It does play into 'What would the host put in the game' but its a very logical conclusion.
I do strongly disagree with your constant demand for reads I have not done yet and misrepresenting everything I say. I honestly don't even want to talk to you right now. Your making arguments that me pushing to lynch people who flip Triad points to me being Triad.
Lets just take one piece of the other post you just made:
Here you are suggesting I have refused to 'follow through with Naz' which takes the false position that at some point earlier in the day or earlier in the game I was going to read her while also not giving me time or space to make a read and it follows it up by saying my scum read has flipped to town. And what fucking scum read are you talking about? The read D2 where I called her an empty slot worthy of a policy vig? Or maybe the part D2 where she voiced feedback and I pointed out to the town her role is semi-confirmed but not her alignment? And lets follow up with what fucking town read do I now have on her? Please dig through the thread and find a single quote of me saying anything that you just claimed about my views here. With the exception of me voicing I would read Naz earlier in this conversation everything you said here you just made up.
Seriously. A single fucking quote. Just one. Actually read the thread and find one.
You are just making shit up and calling me scum on the basis of the stuff you pull out of your ass. So excuse me when I tell you now that I dont want to speak to you until you sober up.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
A logic jump could be me saying "Renegade and Naz are probably not both Triad"
Then its clarified when I say "Scum usually claim their inverse alignments role and threse not space for 2 more Triad Randoms"
Thats not an insult. But me genuinely thinking your drunk probably is. But thats also a logic jump on my part too.
Then its clarified when I say "You are saying I have taken positions I never have and scum reading me for pushing lynches on Triad"
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
This isn't even including the points where you talk about her needing to prove herself with her reads in order for you to be able to accept her role. This is the ONLY read left that you have expressed concern with, and nowhere in this thread can I see any sort of development on this read.
I'm not asking you to be nice to me or to even respect my opinion, but at this point when you're telling me you don't mention scum-reading her but have not spoken on her character since expressing scum-reading her and then telling me that I'm reading wrong is a bit ridiculous.
I don't care if you aren't trying to read on everyone immediately. I asked you a question which is in direct relation to my Renegade Vs Naz situation which I think is a fair comment to make given the fact you are trying to push Renegade and I can't see where you're coming from in how it's not Naz. At this point I don't care anymore, you can think whatever you want but my mind feels pretty much made up at this point.
When have I ever said I scum-read you for pushing triad lynches? I feel like you're looking at me as some sort of dumb kid and actually misreading everything that I'm saying. I don't even know how to comment on that because it's such a scum-paint there's literally no words to respond to that.
I am sorry if I am being a dick. I am tired and frustrated and I feel like you take something I say on a subject and apply it to something totally unrelated.
I told you I will get back to you. That I need time. Have you ever known me not to follow through when I say I will do something? In the amount of time we have been going back and forth over nothing I probably could have done an Iso on Naz and dug through your mechanical analysis.
On the same coin can you not see how I feel you are blatantly and overtly misrepresenting what I say? It would be nice if you gave me time to reply instead of acting like I am refusing to answer and just making up stories about me taking positions I never did.
I feel like I am being mean and I really don't like that. Its probably a good idea if we just pick this up tomorrow.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Like I keep saying, I will get back to you when I do the read. Im not just going to make stuff up so I have something to say right this second.
I am not trying to be condescending. I consider you a friend and I respect you as a player. I just feel like you are intentionally misrepresenting the things I say to create issues while forcing a timeline to paint me as scum instead of drawing conclusions from the things I say and giving me time to respond. This is why I keep saying I dont want to talk to you right now. Our communication is totally fucked and accomplishing nothing other than getting etch-other frustrated.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
*eyeroll*
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
@Unknown1234 @Helz
Neither of you two stand much to gain here from this long-winded discussion, but if you choose to continue it -- feel free.
I'm looking for solutions and I truly don't believe you two can both be Butlers.
Is there something more important we can focus on (not renegade related?)
(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ 레드벨벳 ! ! ٩(♡ε♡ )۶
Pegging alignment of Matt or Yzb helps to validate each of our Butler claims- On that note FrostBytes role claim probably helps to clear Matt
Analyzing interactions between Myself/Matt and Unknown/Yzb helps as well
Outside of us two Naz/Frostbyte/Renegade would be the points of interest for D4. Matt and Yzb should probably stay off the table D4 until Me/Unknown are resolved unless you want to resolve one of us using one of them (although thats a weaker play imo because a lynch on town does not confirm)
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
i see you lurking u ho
be gone that
@Unknown1234
At this point in time I don't think we can be either.
It's pretty much broken up into three pools right now.
1: Me and Helz
2: Naz, Renegade, and FrostByte (depending on the claim)
3: MattZed, yzb25, and FrostByte (^)
I can't say much more on the matter than I have already but it seems likely that a Helz, naz and DM triad team exist right now. The 4th slot goes to either MattZed or FrostByte. I have a feeling that these two will be better sorted out going into tomorrow hopefully.
Thanks @MartinGG99 , glad you like it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
If frostbyte was citizen there would be literally no reason to be so dicey about claiming that, because his decision not to reveal as citizen is letting his scumread mattzed gain more credibility as the lone citizen claimant with every second that passes.
Though honestly, his play doesn't make sense either way as town. Because if he's TPR he shouldn't be scumreading matt in the first place.
ya i just did my poe finally and I dont think FB can be cit.
if he was, there's no reason not to cc, is there?
dragon head is probably going to kill me tonight lol