I was thanking that earlier @deathworlds
This game kinda felt like a reunion or something. I guess theres quite a few people here that very rarely sign up to play a game these days.
I was thanking that earlier @deathworlds
This game kinda felt like a reunion or something. I guess theres quite a few people here that very rarely sign up to play a game these days.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I did particularly note how Renegade shifted from desperately lobbying to get off DM and hit DW into casting shade on the potential of DM being Triad. This feels like potential Triad priorities.
1- Lobby against potential teammates train by pushing their counter wagon
2- Cast shade on the argument condemning the potential team mate
It felt very focused and had a higher emotional tone to it than the majority of his other posts. Something we may want to observe as we go into tomorrow assuming we dont have a kind Vig to handle our little Dark Magician problem for us.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
This response with the Smug emoji feels bad.
But then theres posts like this that feel great. Pointing out the potential gains for floating the Neutral is a bold statement even if Unknown and myself poked at it but the flat out suggestion to lynch the potential Triad before getting the neutral does not feel like a position Triad would take. It both risks immediately killing a potential team mate as well as risks having the switcher night action discover another of their team. This is feels to come from a very townie perspective.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
@naz
What was it that made you decide to target Dark Magician last night?
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I apologize for my spengish and anti town behaviour yesterday. I thought it was okay to explore obscure scenarios so far from EOD but in hindsight I clearly wasted ppl's time on it way too much. I am relieved that the actions have resolved themselves in the simplest scenario, if admittedly a little dissapointed.
One cool thing I'd like to point out tho - Switching into witch is probably the best role in the game DM could have switched into, if he was seriously going for the extremely difficult 3-time-switch victory. It would have enabled him to witch deathworlds back onto himself.
Also, @Frinckles A speng is a highly silly form of individual, comparable to a spack, a spanner, a spaz or even a dingus.
Dragon Head
Corrupted Assessor
Triad Random Sorcerer Dark Magician~
Triad Random Vanguard / Moulder?
Town Random Scientist Frinckles~
Town Random Bus Driver MartinGG?~
Town Random Detective Naz?
Town Random Locksmith~
Town Random
Bus DriverOberton
Citizen
Citizen
SwitcherDeathworlds
Just looking at revealed information we should be in a strong position post claim. Theres just not very many slots for them to hide in, especially with Scientist Frinckles and Martin Bus Driver very likely. That and the Locksmith N1 action was a very townie move that will leave 2 slots for 3 scum to hide in once citizens out.
Assuming Switcher lynch is good, 1kpn with no Triad cross fire, and tomorrow Dark Magician flips Sorcerer:
D2 Deathworlds Neutral flip
N2 1 town dead
D3 Dark Magician Triad flip
N3 1 town dead
D4- We walk into the day with 5 town 3 Triad.
This looks pretty decent to me. We should be shooting at a randomized lynch in a poe hitting 60% and we get an additional misslynch if there is a failed KPN, 2 if theres Triad cross fire.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Yeah I have a feeling that the game will be mostly solved tomorrow assuming that DM is sorcerer (which I find hard to believe he won’t be at this point). Just a matter of waiting it out now.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
After Dark Magician and deathworlds resolution my poe looks like this to start out:
bakermir
FrostByte
Renegade
Naz can wait a day to see if Triad Random flips with the potential of expanding the Poe onto Unknown and Yzb25 based on claims.
Unless I am missing something once citizens clear that effectively places a 4 player POE with 2-3 scum D4 and slightly shifts depending on if we can grab Triad Random to clear Naz.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Tbh, Helz is playing this game on a totally different level (to me at least). The only reason I feel comfortable townreading him is because he's made so many pro-town suggestions and pushed the conversation in so many pro-town directions and I can't imagine it making strategic sense to do that as scum unless he's making some crazy sacrifices for credibility.
I 100% agree with this. There are several roles that may still be in the roster that benefit from being hidden for a little longer. But I think tomorrow or the day after we should do a citi/TPR mass claim. That preserves most of the POE potential without giving triad interference roles an opportunity to reliably maximise their potential.
@Auwt can u put start of day post in the first post pls? Its hard to get to start of day 2 on my phone I have no idea where it is anymore lol
-vote unknown1234
I do not believe there would be any harm to Citizens claiming today but I think it would be very foolish to have TPR's claim with a witch suspected to be outted. The real benefit is it forces the Dragon Head to choose between killing our TPR's but risking killing team mates or killing citizens.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Sure,
We know that either Martian (the claimed BD) or Frinckles (The claimed Scientist) were the ones targeted. Its very likely that Frinckles would not be targeted simply because every other PR in the game would leave him alone so he could find the switcher. He is a town alignment but the Triad would have very good reason not to touch him so that he could track down their competition. That leaves the BD as the likely lockdown target which is a very towny thing to do. Scum Moulder would not want to protect a claimed BD and would likely recognize there is potential their Dragon Head may want to kill that slot given D1 there were multiple people voicing bus drivers should preform no action early game.
On a basic level the role functions mainly as a protective and I see no logic to a scum player protecting a claimed Bus Driver or Scientist while its a very logical action for town to take.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Idk, targetting you or unknown or mattzed with that role seems more like something I'd expect. I'd expect busdriver to be protected by WIFOM. You say that on paper there should be no mechanical distinction so maybe locksmith thought the same. Then again even if Frinckles was scumread maybe I wouldn't target Frinckles as moulder. There were scummier ppl worth protecting.
Lol. No worries.
I have no idea what to think of this vote even if we were to ignore the gamestate..
-vote Deathworlds
I will most likely stay active but just incase I get snatched into some nonsense when my friends come by Deathworlds is now at L3 with 18 hours left in the day.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I'll make a much greater effort to communicate in a clear manner.
Though I think this particular vote is just her being trolly now that the day is basically solved, I will say I did not like her previous ISO from earlier very much. I did scumread DM earlier, in spite of what impression I may have given @MattZed . However, I felt Naz's ISO was mainly an attempt to smear DM and make her vote look more natural.
In the above point, I don't think she makes sufficient distinction between a question that's silly and a question that's scummy. She gives no indication as to why a scum would be motivated to ask such a question, and so it looks like she's exploiting a question that appeared asinine to validate her read.Originally Posted by Naz
Even putting aside that she does not address the non-triad slip in the above post, this post again feels like smearing DM by implying that his attempt to think from triad's POV made him triad.Originally Posted by Naz
To round up, I think it's very plausible Naz thought she was pushing an ez lynch on a switcher/VI by picking out their dumb moments.
It'd be a little unfair not to point out this one too tho:
History has vindicated this post, but ultimately this doesn't preclude the possibility she thought she was pushing a switcher/VI. And I don't recall anyone else professing to honestly seeing the post as switcher-indicative, even if we now know DM was switcher.Originally Posted by Naz
From chat patterns yesterday I don't think activity will kick up for a few hours. Either way I think hammer control has been much more aproprate today. Yesterday it flat cut off people from talking while there was still quite of conversation to be had very early in the day. Today everyone has at least had a chance to say all they wanted.
I think interactions would hold the most value given the gamestate but they will hold even more value down the road when the lynch is not locked in. I don't see anyone feeling pressured today.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
my man, I posted this after u asked, so its not a smear or an attempt to make my vote look natural - u literally asked lol
I voted him bc I tracked him last night and wanted him to fess up to any night actions
I'd obvi vote dw here since he is claiming to be tracker (& he's actually game throwing if he isn't) but we have the rest of the day for discussion
Since none of u understand jokes I am troll voting unknown bc hes smelly
My current thoughts:
- DM isn't worth investigating tonight. He's scum. He created anti-town discussion by concealing his former-Switcher status and actively undermining a TPR he could have confirmed. DWs did the early hammer and didn't seem to take yesterday very seriously. These are all independently strong reasons to think DM is Triad right now. (and I haven't even mentioned DW's claim of being former triad, which most of you don't want to give much weight, nor have I mentioned how he "joked" that he was a different Triad role than DW alleged)
- It'd be much better to investigate someone to hopefully find the DH or be able to confirm if someone's night action targets 0/1/2 people.
- I think we should be massclaiming D3, but I'm not opposed to waiting until D4 if we think DM is such an obvious triad we don't need PoE to confirm
- If we have a Military, I think they should hold off revealing until N3 because their action can stop the BD and we don't need their identity confirmed yet. But then again, WIFOM.
- In the extremely unlikely event that the corrupted assessor bound DW to someone last night, EVERY NIGHT KILL SHOULD TARGET DW. Vigs know they're hitting scum, and the DH knows they're hitting non-triad. All bus drivers shouldn't DARE to bus DW.
- Relatedly, it's worth putting your role and night actions in your LW just in case your flip gets turned around by the corrupted assessor.
- War Surgeon should probably be in bodyguard mode.
It just felt kinda tongue in cheek with that Emoji. I am not sure if thats what you intended.
Well the PoE is very literally a process of elimination. The two main ways people scum hunt is either picking out scum or narrowing down the list of town. I do both, That post I made voicing your reasoning came from a town perspective felt very good and will be something I have to consider if I am still alive D4 but you existing in the PoE is a separate thought process.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
We all know that DM is Triad at this point, and it's quite likely he ISN'T the corrupted assessor.
We need to make sure the corrupted assessor doesn't, say, bind DM to Frinckles, cause us to yeet Frinckles tomorrow, which puts us 5v4 going into N3, assuming a town is killed tonight.
My current thought is assigning the locksmith to lock down DM so he can't be bound to anyone.
@Auwt , if a Locksmith dies at night, their lockdown still goes through, right?
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I don't think I'm going to be advocating for a DM yeet at this point, mainly because I don't want DW to possibly take my role. But we do need careful action to not get screwed here.
Also, now that I think about it, it's decent possible DM is actually the DH: I'm pretty sure the DH can't shoot the night they become switcher, thus explaining the lack of a kill.
@Auwt , if the DH gets targeted by a Switcher, does their kill still go through?
Yeah thats a politician's answer though. I am here to answer any questions but I won't allow such shading. In the case of you being town, you would never tie your slot to mine in this way. I expect more from you behind this bad emoji push either alignment and if it is as simple as PoE then yours is a guaranteed lose for town.
I am not sure how I can more simply describe that putting you in a PoE is an independent thought process from scum or town reading you. If you have a question feel free to ask it but I feel that my thought process is pretty transparent when you keep it in context. It only does make sense when you take the posts out of context and say "He town read me here then put me in a PoE."
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
There is nothing transparent about your thought process here helz. I for one don't know if you are goofy or wolfy after that incredibly bad read progression you held against me based on a smug emoji. What are you claiming? Citizen? If that is true then why are you poking another slot for reactions at this point? HMMMMMMM
You're right in that it's not a good look
but in the same way with Renegade I just feel like this is bakermir being bakermir (who has used a lot of Pepe avatars in the past).
After all, he was responding to a guy who just admitted to possibly being influenced by beer and going "hahah"; could be perceived as an obvious joke.
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