although
why is Naz voting DM
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
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So.....is naz voting DM just because Naz would've voted him D1?
@naz
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
"he might've been switcher yesterday"
implies she thinks DM isn't switcher rn
and yet she said earlier DM visited DW
soooo...... ?????
I guess she thinks DM is a bigger problem
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@bakermir what is your thought process on Frinckles as of right now? Just asking because I noticed your vote is still on him.
guilty based on the fact that; they have some questionable posts which I don't believe to come from town mindset since some of their arguements are just ad hominem at tis core. Looking at samples from forum games of Frinckles, one could say "TWTBW" for their game so far here.. but, I am not going to let this slide. frinckles is scummy in one world based on their day actions, but town in another world (night). So, I still don't see why a town player TPR or VT turbo the day out?? plus, I feel that the heat on them was justified since it given us a lot of information on multiple slots such as martin, naz, dm, dw and a possible locker. I believed Frinckles to be a possible wolf here based on their position in the game and if they are the scientist then we find that out eventually. I don't mind if you guys want to give him another day here, which is probably what is going to happen if DM or DW doesn't speak up...
we need to hear from DM and DW before I can move my vote. guilty until proven otherwise.
if dm was the original switcher, what in the world is stopping him from telling us all he switched with dw?
even if dw's orginal role was triad, he could just LIE and say he's literally anything else.
but he isn't doing it
which makes me think, if ur role is real, dm is the switcher NOW (?)
DM vs DW, I'm voting here:
-vote deathworlds
We can confirm naz and frunkle this way.
I do not feel its likely for the DragonHead to target Frinckles. Enough people scum read him yesterday he would be a viable misslynch and of all the town roles Frinckles claimed the one that is useful to the Triad.
From the information claimed it is reasonable to consider Frinckles semi mechanically confirmed town if we lynch the switcher.
D1 Dark Magician started as Switcher and passed it to DeathWorlds N1 while Scientist Frinckles checked Dark Magician.
@Nas Just to be clear are you claiming detective or are you claiming lookout?
I will also point out that Triad has a role that tracks (Vanguard) so even if Nas information is accurate he is not mechanically confirmed town.
Our optimal play is to lynch between Dark Magician and Deathworlds. From Deathworlds D1 there is a good potential for us to have 2 scums nailed down here. We could choose between leashing Deathworlds or killing him first to come back for Dark Magician.
Doing so solves those slots as well as Frinckles and peggs Nas role (although not alignmnet)
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
This shouldn't be seen as a vote of confidence in DM. He very well could be traid now, so is a good candidate for tomorrow.
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I really don't see a world where Frinckles is lying. The only situation would be if he was the DragonHead who got found and blocked but I do not see this setup running without a scientist so if he had lied about that claim he would be CCed by now.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
It feels more likely to me DM received switcher than gave it. He seemed totally caught off guard by Frinckles' questionning. If he'd had the role for a while, I guess I'd expect him to be a little more aware of the possibility that the scientist claim that was vocal about scumreading him actually checks him and gets that kind of dirt on him. A lot of ppl thought because of the OoO scientist couldn't see if someone just received switcher. If he was one of them, he would have found out there and then that not only did he just get switcher, but actually oopsies setup allows you to get caught too. His reaction seems in line with what I'd expect in that situation.
If he was switcher and visited DW, that would indicate unless he wanted a scum game he thought DW seemed towny-looking. This isn't as absurd as it sounds. DM tested DW's conviction to hammer and DW delivered. DM might have townread that. Anyway that would imply he should have had a little more confidence about claiming a town slot from DW once he was outed, which he does not seem to have demonstrated.
He openly said he said scum more fun than town. Saying that if you know you're switcher... man I dunno lol. It's possible. We'll have to see how things go I guess.
I recognize that they are possible but I just do not see them as likely at all. It would be different if we were in MYLO or something.
As of right now Frinckles is extremely likely town. Our focus should not be on him. There will be time for that after Deathworlds and Dark Magician are sorted and we will have more information on him at that time.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I think the most plausible explanation for DM being switcher d1 is that he was reckless about admitting he likes scum more than town and genuinely switched with DW with the hope of getting a scum role, perhaps succeeded, but either way did not feel comfortable sharing that he switched with a slot he scumread.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
DM could still be switcher if the switcher was another player and visited him, even though he visited DW. But this seems like the least likely possibility.
Theres a good chance they are Frozen. Its a very rough situation to be caught in with 2 power roles pointing to actions that condemn you.
The more I think about it the more I feel Deathworlds is the correct lynch first.
It is worth mentioning that we could use the switcher role as a town invest but it means playing a game of hot potato and someone would be left holding the bag in the end. I am not sure the risks outweigh the benefits there given people would be incentivised to lie and say they were Triad the day before to avoid being lynched so they can swap at night. A lot of potential for a town misslynch to happen there when town fails to all get behind the idea and pressures the current switcher.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Whatever the DH and alleged locksmith believed N1 has nothing to do with what *I* believe. And the theory would be that you wanted to switch, but failed. (also possible that you're holding onto Switcher until it's clear who's going to win, then switch to that side and out the new Switcher)
We also don't even know they went on you! Even believing EVERYONE'S claims so far, it's also perfectly possible that the Locksmith and DH both went for Martin.
For Switcher, the theory would be that you wanted to switch, but failed. (also possible that you're holding onto Switcher until it's clear who's going to win, then switch to that side and out the new Switcher)
There's really no point to your line of suggestion. Night actions maybe targeting you doesn't mean you're a scientist.
As half-awake Matt, (I really shouldn't have stayed up for the start of D2) I'm really not a fan of the "let's yeet DM or DW for information" take, and I'm disappointed by the lack of imagination here.
WHY DOES EVERYONE TRUST THAT FRINCKLES'S TARGET WASN'T ALTERED BY AN OPERATOR/WITCH?
But we're 7v4v1 right now. Misyeet is 6v4v1, which is 5v4v1 with a nightkill on town. If we misyeet today, we could lose our majority. I'm not up for yeeting someone just to possibly confirm someone else. (and it's not even a good confirm... Naz could well be a Spy)
I'm *very* interested to hear what DM and DW have to say for themselves, but I'd sooner yeet someone with scummy behavior (Frinckles) than yeeting someone for information.