S-FM 313: Mushroom Kingdom Madness II

[FrostByte]

Wouldn’t it make sence to go on the one who tryed to hard stead away from votes on him Baker???

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

[Mike]

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

Dude was between a rock and a hard place he had to hammer there.

[FrostByte]

Dude was between a rock and a hard place he had to hammer there.

You've got a good point, but it could also have been towny of them to hammer. Dark Magician decided not to. He does look pretty scummy for that, though.

idk I'm not sure how to feel about Baker in general right now. I thought they were scummy yesterday but idk now.

[Mike]

You've got a good point, but it could also have been towny of them to hammer. Dark Magician decided not to. He does look pretty scummy for that, though.

idk I'm not sure how to feel about Baker in general right now. I thought they were scummy yesterday but idk now.

I am ok with flipping MM, Baker, or Ceko right now. DM claimed he has a confirmable role that he can confirm tonight. So With people that are scummy we than DM. I would be willling to let him confirm his role instead of lynching him today. With haveing a mafi lynch day 1 we are in good shape.

[FrostByte]

I would be willling to let him confirm his role instead of lynching him today. With haveing a mafi lynch day 1 we are in good shape.

This is good thinking. You're absolutely right.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So, you hard scumread Bakermir:

Quote a single post this game where I lied. I will not remove my vote from you.

But you would be ok with me flipping?

I am ok with flipping MM, Baker, or Ceko right now. DM claimed he has a confirmable role that he can confirm tonight. So With people that are scummy we than DM. I would be willling to let him confirm his role instead of lynching him today. With haveing a mafi lynch day 1 we are in good shape.

When you said I was lock town to you earlier? ERROR ERROR. CANNOT COMPUTE REASONING. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.

[theoneceko]

I am ok with flipping MM, Baker, or Ceko right now. DM claimed he has a confirmable role that he can confirm tonight. So With people that are scummy we than DM. I would be willling to let him confirm his role instead of lynching him today. With haveing a mafi lynch day 1 we are in good shape.

u didn’t even respond to the wall where i pinged u.

[Mike]

u didn’t even respond to the wall where i pinged u.

You may be town reading me but I am not town reading you. But I would want a baker lynch over you.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wrong. He claimed dry bones. Dry bones changes when a Koopa dies, as well as when someone changes alignment. A koopa died yesterday.

I explained this once, apparently I'm screaming into the void.

I hope I'm not making a fool of myself by not fully grasping sarcasm, but to avoid any ambiguity...

...you do know that "Dry Bones" is not a real role and that he was just messing around, right? lol

You may be town reading me but I am not town reading you. But I would want a baker lynch over you.

So I take it you disagree with me when I say Ceko is spewed clear? Why?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

Hammering at this point was not exactly a costly move: Zone was dead anyway, and certainly wouldn't have gotten any credit during the game, seeing how everyone basically hated him lol. DM's refusal to hammer is townier than Baker's hammer simply because scum would not want to make themselves look like the ones who didn't vote the soon-to-flip scum; they would rather place their vote and hope to get some towncred for it, at this stage.

That being said, DM needs to explain his own reasoning clearly; his reply to my question meant literally nothing.

[bakermir]

MARSHMALLOW MARSHALL:

This is at Gyrlander. I'm getting less and less confident in the Gyrlander part of Kenny's LW; Zone's ISO doesn't indicate a team at all.

Exactly. Do you see what I mean?


LIke, I want to believe you are doing the same MM when you were accusing DS. and remember that game how I never towncleared anyone early game as scum lmao


I am townclearing people here. Gyrlander is spewed town here coming to day 2. I townread him d1 and actually it was my second public TR i made a post about after calling renegade toad.

Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever

-vote Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

this was the second vote on Zone MM. Do you think martin is doing the same strat he did in Mildred's???


FROSTBYTE/MARSHMALLOW MARSHHALL:

I feel bad voting you(RIGHTFULLY SO!) every game d1 but EXPECT my vote d2 mr scummallow.. simply because I might be wrong with reading you and I kinda feel same towards you, can't put you in any group. also, why did you skip giving reads on rest of the players here?

This was my response to your fluff reads on d1. Half the players are missing from your read list, you were refusing to read ceko and zone and instead TR'd them. Your scumread on Martin mislead Kenny to chase wrong targets. Kenny was a hungry town. Surely his hunger was scary but why would they do that as scum? He was screaming toad.


FROSTBYTE:

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

I admit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:

im ok with ZONEQQ too

but i think Mike is a bigger threat

This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.

MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, MartinGG99
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer

even posted votecount there. Why would martin be the second vote for Zoneq? We obviously had similar reads on some people here.








@FrostByte I understand your reaction to me and I am ready to explain my actions. I stand behind my Mike read and him asking for open claim, failure to pick a side was all suspicious. I put my vote where my mouth is.




@Marshmallow Marshall I understand you are taking slow and a methodical approach when it comes to reading, but can you provide us a full read list now?

[bakermir]

This was right after Martins vote on Bruno.

This was right after Martins vote on ZoneQ11*

sorry for mistyping names there

[Mike]

MARSHMALLOW MARSHALL:



Exactly. Do you see what I mean?


LIke, I want to believe you are doing the same MM when you were accusing DS. and remember that game how I never towncleared anyone early game as scum lmao


I am townclearing people here. Gyrlander is spewed town here coming to day 2. I townread him d1 and actually it was my second public TR i made a post about after calling renegade toad.




this was the second vote on Zone MM. Do you think martin is doing the same strat he did in Mildred's???


FROSTBYTE/MARSHMALLOW MARSHHALL:



This was my response to your fluff reads on d1. Half the players are missing from your read list, you were refusing to read ceko and zone and instead TR'd them. Your scumread on Martin mislead Kenny to chase wrong targets. Kenny was a hungry town. Surely his hunger was scary but why would they do that as scum? He was screaming toad.


FROSTBYTE:



I admwit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:



This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.



even posted votecount there. Why would martin be the second vote for Zoneq? We obviously had similar reads on some people here.








@FrostByte I understand your reaction to me and I am ready to explain my actions. I stand behind my Mike read and him asking for open claim, failure to pick a side was all suspicious. I put my vote where my mouth is.




@Marshmallow Marshall I understand you are taking slow and a methodical approach when it comes to reading, but can you provide us a full read list now?

Your posts at EoD when we are trying to get a lynch off on Mafia or who we suspect is top Mafia is reaction testing I call BULL SHIT. Then you go on to say I am lieing about it when Bruno even spewed you as next lynch with how you where responding next you going to say I am leading Bruno to scum read you?

[bakermir]

Your posts at EoD when we are trying to get a lynch off on Mafia or who we suspect is top Mafia is reaction testing I call BULL SHIT. Then you go on to say I am lieing about it when Bruno even spewed you as next lynch with how you where responding next you going to say I am leading Bruno to scum read you?

Huh?

Why do I need to convince anyone here to get you or myself lynched? I am not following you one bit

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Spoiler : long bakermir post :

MARSHMALLOW MARSHALL:

Exactly. Do you see what I mean?

LIke, I want to believe you are doing the same MM when you were accusing DS. and remember that game how I never towncleared anyone early game as scum lmao

I am townclearing people here. Gyrlander is spewed town here coming to day 2. I townread him d1 and actually it was my second public TR i made a post about after calling renegade toad.

this was the second vote on Zone MM. Do you think martin is doing the same strat he did in Mildred's???

FROSTBYTE/MARSHMALLOW MARSHHALL:

This was my response to your fluff reads on d1. Half the players are missing from your read list, you were refusing to read ceko and zone and instead TR'd them. Your scumread on Martin mislead Kenny to chase wrong targets. Kenny was a hungry town. Surely his hunger was scary but why would they do that as scum? He was screaming toad.

FROSTBYTE:

I admit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:

This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.

even posted votecount there. Why would martin be the second vote for Zoneq? We obviously had similar reads on some people here.

@FrostByte I understand your reaction to me and I am ready to explain my actions. I stand behind my Mike read and him asking for open claim, failure to pick a side was all suspicious. I put my vote where my mouth is.

@Marshmallow Marshall I understand you are taking slow and a methodical approach when it comes to reading, but can you provide us a full read list now?

Yes, I guess I'm seeing what you're saying a bit more about Gyr, although I'm still slightly paranoid (but it's probably more paranoia than anything else).

When martin posted this:

Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever

-vote Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

He was in a bad position. His tone indicates that he felt like it, and it wasn't unjustified: he was under rather significant pressure. He showed in Mildred that he is not afraid to bus; he does not need to be using the same strategy to bus someone who's in a bad position, just to dare to do it in general.
When looking at Zone's ISO, I found nothing that clears Martin that comes from Zone; it seems to me (please show I'm wrong if I am on that) that the only supposed spewing instance about Martin is the post I just quoted, and what I'm saying is that it is definetly not outside of his scumrange, especially not considering the context he was in.

Ceko is in my towncore atm @bakermir , he's spewed by Zone and he's one of the players who scumhunted the most with rather elaborate strategies (see his read on Mike, for example). My D1 reads were not fluff, they were the ones I had (although I think I forgot to put Mike in the relatively high town slots back then, but I just went to bed instead of posting about it because I was tired lol).
"You refused to read Ceko and Zone and instead townread them" Uhh... do I really need to say what is wrong with this sentence?
And may the LORD forgive me for having scumhunted on D1 and suspected Kenny, pushed him, and then realized he was town. That is absolutely not what town shoul.... wait, it is exactly what town should do! It wasn't even a bad thing: Kenny was NOT widely townread. And again, "screaming toad" is something you saw before me. You're literally blaming me for not realizing soon enough over the course of D1 that someone who has a large and relatively scary scumrange (Kenny) was town, and that's ridiculous.

I can work on a readslist with more people in it now that more people have posted, sure.

[theoneceko]

I admit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:

This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.

u weren’t reaction-testing, u were trying to direct attention away from zone’s lynch.

u must not realize i literally have a wall about ur eod that i can post as soon as i get home. :^)

[FrostByte]

u weren’t reaction-testing, u were trying to direct attention away from zone’s lynch.

u must not realize i literally have a wall about ur eod that i can post as soon as i get home. :^)

do that please because I don't know how to feel about it atm

[theoneceko]

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

no no no no no. we should not give bake townpoints for hammering, EVER. he had no choice but to hammer since there were no competing wagons and there were only ~20 minutes left until thread closed.

[FrostByte]

no no no no no. we should not give bake townpoints for hammering, EVER. he had no choice but to hammer since there were no competing wagons and there were only ~20 minutes left until thread closed.

This would be true if votes were forced, but they could have gone the same route that @Dark Magician went and refused to hammer and then refused to even address it. Apparently nobody cares about that fact.