S-FM 313: Mushroom Kingdom Madness II

[theoneceko]

@theoneceko

we mindmeld on d1


lets do it again OwO!!!!!

i never srsly thought mike was 3P on day 1...

[Gyrlander]

And finally: @Dark Magician if your role really changed then there is an enormous chance Mario is not Town Mario anymore.

I've checked the Setup just in case and found out that Mario's role changes basically ALL THE TIME WHEN SOMEONE ELSE'S ROLE CHANGES. The only exceptions are:
1. Mario checks Princess Daisy. She becomes Evil Daisy but he remains Town Mario
2. Wario shoots a player who is not Mario (why the fuck would Wario random shoot D1)
3. Waluigi targeted a Town player that is not Mario changing their role to Wario OR a Team Koopa changing his role to a different Mafia one.

I find 2. very hard to believe so we only have 2 chances that Mario is still Town Mario. And if it's 3. then there is a big chance Mario will be dead by tomorrow. And if it's 1. then Martin is Evil Daisy (if we're to believe Firebringer).

So basically, if DM is saying the truth there is a big chance Mario is not Town-aligned anymore. We can wait until tomorrow to clear 3. but if Mario is still alive by then and we trust Martin (who I honestly townread more than scumread) then we should probably lynch Mario (with the danger of lynching Abandoned Love).

Capiche?

[bakermir]

And finally: @Dark Magician if your role really changed then there is an enormous chance Mario is not Town Mario anymore.

I've checked the Setup just in case and found out that Mario's role changes basically ALL THE TIME WHEN SOMEONE ELSE'S ROLE CHANGES. The only exceptions are:
1. Mario checks Princess Daisy. She becomes Evil Daisy but he remains Town Mario
2. Wario shoots a player who is not Mario (why the fuck would Wario random shoot D1)
3. Waluigi targeted a Town player that is not Mario changing their role to Wario OR a Team Koopa changing his role to a different Mafia one.

I find 2. very hard to believe so we only have 2 chances that Mario is still Town Mario. And if it's 3. then there is a big chance Mario will be dead by tomorrow. And if it's 1. then Martin is Evil Daisy (if we're to believe Firebringer).

So basically, if DM is saying the truth there is a big chance Mario is not Town-aligned anymore. We can wait until tomorrow to clear 3. but if Mario is still alive by then and we trust Martin (who I honestly townread more than scumread) then we should probably lynch Mario (with the danger of lynching Abandoned Love).

Capiche?

What if DM's role change was a lie? Did anyone else got their rolecard changed?


If DM is telling the truth and if FB is telling the truth then there is a chance both FB and DM being green and Martin being orange.

If one in DM/FB lying then the whole conversion story is out of the window but luckily we now have associative reads here now and can lynch the liars next day.


Assuming FB claimed their green check on Martin SoD2 to be the truth then we shouldn't be lynching FB before Martin. Martin could be Green/Orange/Pink here and FB could be Green/Pink.




ok so @Gyrlander why are we exactly lynching Mario claim here? I am still lost on this.


also, we could very well have the cult now but we can only find that out tomorrow after we flip Martin today and see if FB is still green or not and if we have cult.


This all requires us to trust DM and I don't know if we should. He made me think he is neutral doc all this time somehow lmao, I need to focus....

[MartinGG99]

What if DM's role change was a lie? Did anyone else got their rolecard changed?

I never claimed against DM initially, despite being toad. Because its quite possible I was given a Toad role-card, instead of secret card like Geno.

To think there and imagine will never be a simple "Toad" card in the game (that doesn't get a role-change ever).

Is to imply and assert that that the whole MUSHROOM KINGOM

Is 100% TPR (or secretly TPR just not known yet)

In that case, then 2 things:

1. We 100% should eliminate in the TPR claims and Toad claims indiscriminately, or maybe even value Toad claims more
2. For balancing purposes, I would imagine there definitely is a 4th koopa at least.

[bakermir]

I never claimed against DM initially, despite being toad. Because its quite possible I was given a Toad role-card, instead of secret card like Geno.

To think there and imagine will never be a simple "Toad" card in the game (that doesn't get a role-change ever).

Is to imply and assert that that the whole MUSHROOM KINGOM

Is 100% TPR (or secretly TPR just not known yet)

In that case, then 2 things:

1. We 100% should eliminate in the TPR claims and Toad claims indiscriminately, or maybe even value Toad claims more
2. For balancing purposes, I would imagine there definitely is a 4th koopa at least.

It could be 4 koopas or it could be 2 neutrals. We don't know yet.


However, I claimed tpr eod 1 and I stand behind my claim. If the current votes doesn't change then town is about to lose 1 tpr.

FB is the only person that claimed Mario.

DM claimed he is the unique toad TPR.


If we don't have anymore TPR's then I don't see any problem as to why Mario+Unique(Toad)+1 TPR to exists in town roster.


It could be wario or it could be FB visiting you, we don't know any of it.


WHat bothers me the most is that Mike and Ceko seem to be ok with FB/DM claims while they don't give me a chance tonight. In what world do we vote out TPR claims on D1 D2?


Especially we got Mario that can check and confirm me both N1 and N2 or I can actually prove myself.


In general, people are lost here and voting out TPR claims is the worst thing to do

[MartinGG99]

DM claimed he is the unique toad TPR.

He also claimed this:

Dry Bones
You receive the "Toad" role card initially
If any player changes alignment or a Koopa dies, you receive your true rolecard of Dry Bones.
If you die before this happens, you will show up as Toad in the graveyard
You can protect one player at night. You are still aligned with the Mushroom Kingdom
You can also change your Alignment to Koopa at any time.




-thought I’d make this role for shits and giggles.
I’ll Claim this as my role because lol.

Secondly,

Its not impossible to have multiple unique toads;

What I mean by that is that its not possible to have 2 Genos

But it is possible to have, say, Geno + Yoshi.

[MartinGG99]

2. Wario shoots a player who is not Mario (why the fuck would Wario random shoot D1)

I find 2. very hard to believe so we only have 2 chances that Mario is still Town Mario. And if it's 3. then there is a big chance Mario will be dead by tomorrow. And if it's 1. then Martin is Evil Daisy (if we're to believe Firebringer).

Tbh if I was Wario I would random-shoot d1, if you're going to become Arsonist its better to do it sooner rather than later imo. Especially if the douse gives feedback.

Also burning role-cards to ash sounds fun.

[Mike]

If town can not see how Baker is outed Mafia at this point PLease lynch me.

THUNDERDOME
BAKERMIRE
VERS
MIKE
PLACE YOUR VOTE FOR ONE OR THE OTHER TODAY
THUNDERDOME

[theoneceko]

If town can not see how Baker is outed Mafia at this point PLease lynch me.

THUNDERDOME
BAKERMIRE
VERS
MIKE
PLACE YOUR VOTE FOR ONE OR THE OTHER TODAY
THUNDERDOME

yea i saw this coming LMAO

[MartinGG99]

If town can not see how Baker is outed Mafia at this point PLease lynch me.

THUNDERDOME
BAKERMIRE
VERS
MIKE
PLACE YOUR VOTE FOR ONE OR THE OTHER TODAY
THUNDERDOME

Mike's crying thunder-dome again, like he has in past games.

I don't believe in the 1 scum in Mike/Baker theory, and if there were it's prob mike atm.

[bakermir]

QQ all you want karen

you are caught and in every possible scenario you are the right elimination today

[Mike]

QQ all you want karen

you are caught and in every possible scenario you are the right elimination today

Roflol in what world do you live in??

[Mike]

Are you counter claiming marieo??? Here?? If you are please let us know this should be interesting. Let me guess you are claiming Mario and you checked me and I came up town so you are saiying I am the evil daisy any that if we lynch you and not me fame is over. From alll the statements you have provided that is litterateur the only world I can make from your POV. Only problem is if you are the real marieo and got a town read on me at start of day and Fire is fake you have not asked at start of day that to be real.

[FrostByte]

marieo

M A R I O. Mario. It's spelled M-A-R-I-O.

[bakermir]

wait, who the fuck said bowser flip makes toad get a new role and where the fuck is neutral doctor role card?


literally reading the setup again, wtf

[Mike]

Sorry typing from my phone a lot of typos

[bakermir]

-vote MartinGG99

[bakermir]

actually wait.

-unvote

@Gyrlander explain why mario lynch is better than Martin?

[theoneceko]

i’m also ok w being checked tonight. i don’t want a possible evil daisy to have a 100% chance of killing mario tn. at this point, i’d rather be cleared than get mislynched.

[BananaCucho]

Quick reminder that EOD is today in just over 6 hours (the countdown clock is correct)

And that lunch is majority only

[Renegade]

I'm not voting Mario claim today.

[bakermir]

I'm not voting Mario claim today.

yeah me neither. i don't see gyr's logic here.


martin lynch is the correct way if we assume both FB and DM are tellin the truth

[bakermir]

yeah me neither. i don't see gyr's logic here.


martin lynch is the correct way if we assume both FB and DM are tellin the truth

there is still a chance Martin being green here but then we got cult and in that case I am not sure where to vote

[MartinGG99]

yeah me neither. i don't see gyr's logic here.


martin lynch is the correct way if we assume both FB and DM are tellin the truth

Fair enough.

But I've made a few points recently as to how DM could be scummy by voting you out of (what I imagine to be) no-where tbh

[Firebringer]

yeah me neither. i don't see gyr's logic here.


martin lynch is the correct way if we assume both FB and DM are tellin the truth

thaat doesn't make sense. Martin is town

[theoneceko]

thaat doesn't make sense. Martin is town

nooooo since bake is scumreading martin (either bc of obtuse setup speculation or genuine misdirection as scum), can u pls vote bake?? bahk is not getting lynched today. unless bake makes a push for bahk ._.

[theoneceko]

nooooo since bake is scumreading martin (either bc of obtuse setup speculation or genuine misdirection as scum), can u pls vote bake?? bahk is not getting lynched today. unless bake makes a push for bahk ._.

or both

[FrostByte]

[QUOTE=theoneceko;900020 bahk is not getting lynched today. unless bake makes a push for bahk ._.[/QUOTE]

They have the same number of votes. You're being manipulative as fuck right now.

[MartinGG99]

nooooo since bake is scumreading martin (either bc of obtuse setup speculation or genuine misdirection as scum), can u pls vote bake??

He isn't scum-reading me lol.

He just said I was the optimal elimination.

[Mike]

thaat doesn't make sense. Martin is town

Martin is Town OR evil Daisy If you check dasy you make her evil and you would still get a town feeback or should i say Mushroom Kingdom Feedback. With DM climing he went from Toad to PR means someone role has changed!!!

All we know is Martian is not MAfia.

[Mike]

@MartinGG99

[theoneceko]

@BananaCucho wdym by “max of 1 unique role possible”?

[BananaCucho]

@BananaCucho wdym by “max of 1 unique role possible”?

Unique roles (max of 1 possible)

"Max of 1 possible" is meant to clarify what I mean by "Unique roles", meaning that if your role is Mario, nobody else can have that role

All unique roles can be in the game, there isn't a limit of 1, if there was Mario would be the only unique role possible as Mario is confirmed to be in the game (and there wouldn't be a point of creating the other roles in the setup lol)

[theoneceko]

once i get on my laptop, i’ll tunnel the fuck out of bake. quoting posts is so fucking hard on mobile lol.

[MartinGG99]

Oh wait nvm

If Mario checks you, you become Evil Princess Daisy. Mario receives a Mushroom Kingdom check on you the night that this happens.

So basically the only way DM and I are town is if a Wario shot occurred on N1, right?

[theoneceko]

Oh wait nvm



So basically the only way DM and I are town is if a Wario shot occurred on N1, right?

just stop wifom’ing about the setup pls. we can do this tomorrow. ZERO CHANCE we’ll figure out the setup by today.

EVERYONE STOP WIFOM’ING FIRE, DM, AND THE SETUP.

[bakermir]

just stop wifom’ing about the setup pls. we can do this tomorrow. ZERO CHANCE we’ll figure out the setup by today.

EVERYONE STOP WIFOM’ING FIRE, DM, AND THE SETUP.

then take your vote off me if you are truly town

[MartinGG99]

just stop wifom’ing about the setup pls. we can do this tomorrow. ZERO CHANCE we’ll figure out the setup by today.

Well then ASIDE from DM's claim I have made a point about him voting Bakermir for basically no reason.

His vote on Gyrlander for D1 stayed the whole time, meaning what happened at EoD1 and early D2 should have been what changed DM's mind to vote Bakermir.

But the EoD1 was fairly similar for both Bakermir and DM in some aspects, namely the hesitancy or unwillingness to vote Zone.

I don't think that if I were town, as DM, I would just vote Bakermir here.

[theoneceko]

@Dark Magician COME BACK AND VOTE BAKE PROPERLY!!!

[bakermir]

@Dark Magician COME BACK AND VOTE BAKE PROPERLY!!!

ceko?

[bakermir]

anyways just gonna leave this here regarding @theoneceko


#147 > i am trying to solve slots

#160 > this is one of the posts where i suspect ceko TMI

#168 > half rvs/half suspicion (this is in no way a scumpaint)

#250 > first ever response of ceko to me and it is just scumpainting. ever since then ceko is just actively scumpainting me and IDK what else to tell you all




now I am being voted by mike/ceko both players have been tunneling me since d1 even though I claim TPR and expected scum visit on n1 but sadly they didn't.


if we don't find someone then town loses a TPR today to the votes. maybe then you guys will realize what kind of a horrible mistake ceko and mike are doing right now ;/


FB is confusing me a lot too, he could simply visit me on n1 or n2 but they don't want to?


this is ridiculous and if any of these players are town then they are gamethrowing lmao

[bakermir]

anyways just gonna leave this here regarding @theoneceko


#147 > i am trying to solve slots

#160 > this is one of the posts where i suspect ceko TMI

#168 > half rvs/half suspicion (this is in no way a scumpaint)

#250 > first ever response of ceko to me and it is just scumpainting. ever since then ceko is just actively scumpainting me and IDK what else to tell you all




now I am being voted by mike/ceko both players have been tunneling me since d1 even though I claim TPR and expected scum visit on n1 but sadly they didn't.


if we don't find someone then town loses a TPR today to the votes. maybe then you guys will realize what kind of a horrible mistake ceko and mike are doing right now ;/


FB is confusing me a lot too, he could simply visit me on n1 or n2 but they don't want to?


this is ridiculous and if any of these players are town then they are gamethrowing lmao

@Renegade
@Firebringer
@Dark Magician
@Bahkieh
@Whysper
@Mike
@MartinGG99
@Marshmallow Marshall
@FrostByte
@Gyrlander
@Bruno
@Kenny
@theoneceko
@bakermir
@Zone_Q11

[MartinGG99]

@Renegade
@Firebringer
@Dark Magician
@Bahkieh
@Whysper
@Mike
@MartinGG99
@Marshmallow Marshall
@FrostByte
@Gyrlander
@Bruno
@Kenny
@theoneceko
@bakermir
@Zone_Q11

[FrostByte]

lmfao

[MartinGG99]

anyways just gonna leave this here regarding @theoneceko

#147 > i am trying to solve slots

#160 > this is one of the posts where i suspect ceko TMI

#168 > half rvs/half suspicion (this is in no way a scumpaint)

#250 > first ever response of ceko to me and it is just scumpainting. ever since then ceko is just actively scumpainting me and IDK what else to tell you all

now I am being voted by mike/ceko both players have been tunneling me since d1 even though I claim TPR and expected scum visit on n1 but sadly they didn't.

if we don't find someone then town loses a TPR today to the votes. maybe then you guys will realize what kind of a horrible mistake ceko and mike are doing right now ;/

I'll consider a ceko tinfoil in the future

Not today though.

[MartinGG99]

I'll consider a ceko tinfoil in the future

Not today though.

Unless he turns up as an option to eliminate out of everyone else.

(If FB or Bakermir turn up as the options to eliminate I'm not voting them, not even at L-1.)

[bakermir]

I'll consider a ceko tinfoil in the future

Not today though.

I don't mean today but seriously if I am voted out today then make sure to get ceko/martin because this is literally gamethrowing as town


also it is Majority votes

[bakermir]

I don't mean today but seriously if I am voted out today then make sure to get ceko/martin because this is literally gamethrowing as town


also it is Majority votes

ceko/mike*

i am just pissed overall, sorry

[FrostByte]

ceko/mike*

i am just pissed overall, sorry

Fair enough

[MartinGG99]

ceko/mike*

i am just pissed overall, sorry

Nah its fine, I understand that.

I honestly would be somewhat okay with a no-elimination for today.

If some of your concerns are real then one of our TPRs will 100% die tonight. For me, that means 1 of bakermir/FB/Dark Magician (assuming DM's claim is real).

And perhaps that'll move things depending on who dies, or convince me of something else.