S-FM 313: Mushroom Kingdom Madness II

[bakermir]

That is what I said about him last game but he is not my top lynch you are. The way you hard defended zone.

This is my issue. I also hard town read zone even called him my top town. But when Bruno made his case agent him. I stoped and whet hmmmm. Wait that makes sence wow I may be wrong. Bruno made a lot of hard facts ageist Zone. You read everything that is just you. And you still Hard defended him all the way to the end. That does not add up. I will bet my life that you are his partner. And don’t give me crap that you hammered you had no choice.

-vote bakermir

I will bet anything you flip scum. I would love to see 2 scum flips in a row.

L O L MIKE 3P

[Mike]

L O L MIKE 3P

Why does all scum keep calling me 3p lol. Let’s look at this is it in the 3p interest to lynch the scum ummm no why not because then town will hunt 3p. So ummm I think your theory about me is a fail. Roflol hell I will take it one step more.

If baker flips town make me auto lynch tomorrow. Baker is mafia. Now please explain how if I am 3p can I win here?

[theoneceko]

Why does all scum keep calling me 3p lol. Let’s look at this is it in the 3p interest to lynch the scum ummm no why not because then town will hunt 3p. So ummm I think your theory about me is a fail. Roflol hell I will take it one step more.

If baker flips town make me auto lynch tomorrow. Baker is mafia. Now please explain how if I am 3p can I win here?

no

[bakermir]

L O L MIKE 3P

or when I think about it, could very well be scum member.



I don't see town mike being like this, EVER!


scum mike = liar


town mike = solve

[Mike]

or when I think about it, could very well be scum member.



I don't see town mike being like this, EVER!


scum mike = liar


town mike = solve

Now I am scum roflol. You are to funny. Keep it comming.

[Gyrlander]

That is what I said about him last game but he is not my top lynch you are. The way you hard defended zone.

This is my issue. I also hard town read zone even called him my top town. But when Bruno made his case agent him. I stoped and whet hmmmm. Wait that makes sence wow I may be wrong. Bruno made a lot of hard facts ageist Zone. You read everything that is just you. And you still Hard defended him all the way to the end. That does not add up. I will bet my life that you are his partner. And don’t give me crap that you hammered you had no choice.

-vote bakermir

I will bet anything you flip scum. I would love to see 2 scum flips in a row.

Einggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg... bruno?

But it was Kenny...?

[MartinGG99]

Marshmallow Marshall (4 [L-3]):
Bruno, FrostByte, bakermir, Bahkieh
bakermir (3 [L-4]):
Firebringer, Dark Magician, Mike
MartinGG99 (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall

[MartinGG99]

Marshmallow Marshall (4 [L-3]):
Bruno, FrostByte, bakermir, Bahkieh
bakermir (3 [L-4]):
Firebringer, Dark Magician, Mike
MartinGG99 (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall

Btw I would vote MM

But he's at L-3 and I'm not in the mood to waste 43 hours of possible town discussion.

[Mike]

Btw I would vote MM

But he's at L-3 and I'm not in the mood to waste 43 hours of possible town discussion.

Vote him I will be the hammer vote. But I would prefer baker but I am ok with MM also lol

[bakermir]

@Mike

Mike?


MIKE?

[Mike]

@Mike

Mike?


MIKE?

What what what l??? Am I not alowed to have a life??

[bakermir]

MIKE I AM HERE TO FIGHT YOU 20 PAGES STRAIGHT ANSWER ME

[theoneceko]

don't hammer ANYONE until i come back.

good night. have UwU dreams. especUwUally @Bruno .

[FrostByte]

You continuously misrepresenting my question indicates either you're actually really sensitive, you're fucking scared and squirming, or you're fucking retarded. Pick one.

[theoneceko]

You continuously misrepresenting my question indicates either you're actually really sensitive, you're fucking scared and squirming, or you're fucking retarded. Pick one.

if u provide quotes to refresh my memory, i’ll be very happy.

[Mike]

I belive mafia killing Kenny was a mistake. It alowed us to confirm him as town and see his interactions day 1 and Kenny is not a bad player with bad reads. With us killing bowser and then killing a VT town is in a very good spot if we kill on more mafia today we are pretty much in auto. Even neutral will not be able to win. Unless they are aligned with town. I know no way in hell Bruno can be mafia in no world also no way he can be neutral becise he would have been playing agents his win con to push a mafia lynch day 1

[bakermir]

I belive mafia killing Kenny was a mistake. It alowed us to confirm him as town and see his interactions day 1 and Kenny is not a bad player with bad reads. With us killing bowser and then killing a VT town is in a very good spot if we kill on more mafia today we are pretty much in auto. Even neutral will not be able to win. Unless they are aligned with town. I know no way in hell Bruno can be mafia in no world also no way he can be neutral becise he would have been playing agents his win con to push a mafia lynch day 1

Even though I really dislike your slot this game on many things, I agree with you on Kenny kill. That was either a fear kill or a framing kill and it is crystal clear so you are just saying water is wet doesn't really clear your slot.



You mislynched Zedus before when he was town and you refused to lynch him when he was scum sooo you are just a selfish player in any alignment and a terrible liar overall

[Mike]

Even though I really dislike your slot this game on many things, I agree with you on Kenny kill. That was either a fear kill or a framing kill and it is crystal clear so you are just saying water is wet doesn't really clear your slot.



You mislynched Zedus before when he was town and you refused to lynch him when he was scum sooo you are just a selfish player in any alignment and a terrible liar overall

Well with how you are about facts when you are town. You know I was 3 p in the game Zedus was mafia I was not town, so keep up the lies

[bakermir]

Well with how you are about facts when you are town. You know I was 3 p in the game Zedus was mafia I was not town, so keep up the lies

bro, I am not dissing your 3P game on spirits. If we consider your buddy's alibi to be true, you fooled everyone there which is good but has nothing to do with how you played town in antivaxx or mildred or even here lol

you ML'd zedus on antiwax despite Zedus probably played his best town game there. on mildred you subbed out for whatever reason. I get it, you don't prefer town roles

[Mike]

bro, I am not dissing your 3P game on spirits. If we consider your buddy's alibi to be true, you fooled everyone there which is good but has nothing to do with how you played town in antivaxx or mildred or even here lol

you ML'd zedus on antiwax despite Zedus probably played his best town game there. on mildred you subbed out for whatever reason. I get it, you don't prefer town roles

I WAS TOWN IN MILDRED I WAS NOT SCUM I WAS TOWN YOU ALL READ ME AS SCUM

[Mike]

bro, I am not dissing your 3P game on spirits. If we consider your buddy's alibi to be true, you fooled everyone there which is good but has nothing to do with how you played town in antivaxx or mildred or even here lol

you ML'd zedus on antiwax despite Zedus probably played his best town game there. on mildred you subbed out for whatever reason. I get it, you don't prefer town roles

Dude I enjoy town roles. I subed out becuse I WILL NOT EVER PLAY ANOTHER GAME WITH THAT PILE OF CRAP THAT IS CALL ZEDUS. WHEN HE IS TOWN IS IS STILL ANTI TOWN.

I MADE THAT CLEAR!!! the fact you are trying to goat me makes me even more confident you are MAfia here. You keep laying WIFOM to keep laying little Lies about me to get people to think I am a MOron that is Scum reading a Town.

Dude if you are town I will Promote my lynch the next day because in no world are you ever town here. If you are Mareo as you tried softing Day 1 tell me now I will let you lynch me today. I even bought you might be That is why I was town defending you at EOD. But your actions at Eod was in no way Town Aligned or from a Town mindset. Also with your interaction today is not in a town mindset. You have does nothing but try and Discredit me not show how i can be scum or Neurtal as your partner tryed to claim. UMMGUSS lol that is all. that started once I droped my vote on you lol

[theoneceko]

bro, I am not dissing your 3P game on spirits. If we consider your buddy's alibi to be true, you fooled everyone there which is good but has nothing to do with how you played town in antivaxx or mildred or even here lol

you ML'd zedus on antiwax despite Zedus probably played his best town game there. on mildred you subbed out for whatever reason. I get it, you don't prefer town roles

i was just an observer and i KNOW mike subbed out bc he couldn’t handle zedus anymore

very bad scumpaint

[Gyrlander]

I belive mafia killing Kenny was a mistake. It alowed us to confirm him as town and see his interactions day 1 and Kenny is not a bad player with bad reads. With us killing bowser and then killing a VT town is in a very good spot if we kill on more mafia today we are pretty much in auto. Even neutral will not be able to win. Unless they are aligned with town. I know no way in hell Bruno can be mafia in no world also no way he can be neutral becise he would have been playing agents his win con to push a mafia lynch day 1

Why would you make a post saying this but not push/check whatever you wanted from Kenny? If it's because you went to sleep and are going to do it today then nevermind.

[Mike]

Well good night going to bed

[Gyrlander]

I'm not at home but this looks like Town MM

[theoneceko]

I'm not at home but this looks like Town MM

@bakermir tell me with a straight face this doesn’t look “o p p o r t u n i s t i c”

:angerryyy:

[Gyrlander]

@bakermir tell me with a straight face this doesn’t look “o p p o r t u n i s t i c”

:angerryyy:

As I already said, I expect Scum MM to easily try to push my lynch. The fact that he didn't means that he's either Town MM or wants to use my fee-fees to pocket me. But overall I'd say those were towny posts. Previous ones, however, were pretty bad.

[Gyrlander]

And Mike smells Neutral right now o O

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So, you hard scumread Bakermir:

But you would be ok with me flipping?


When you said I was lock town to you earlier? ERROR ERROR. CANNOT COMPUTE REASONING. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.

@Mike answer this lol

To those who suspect Ceko: Zone is talking to Ceko here. Why would Zone feel the need to discredit Ceko like this if they were scummates?

I realize this is weak, but this is a poke against me that is absolutely not welcome in a SvS scenario, but that makes sense in a SvT scenario.

This is addressing Ceko, who replied to Zone's "mimosa plant" post. Zone is trying to show that Ceko's point is invalid, and they're both going at it. Again, Ceko gets spew townpoints for this.

@Mike

~~

And Mike smells Neutral right now o O

EXPLAIN, don't pull a Zone lol

[Dark Magician]

Yes

[Dark Magician]

Who’s the winner? Who’s it gonna be?

[Renegade]

While I think it is possible MM is town and just made a mistake on Zone, occams razor suggests he is scum because of it.

Again, I don't really see an association between Gyr and Zone other than both being attacked by Bruno.

If Frost and Bruno want MM then I am inclined to vote that way as well.

[Dark Magician]

While I think it is possible MM is town and just made a mistake on Zone, occams razor suggests he is scum because of it.

Again, I don't really see an association between Gyr and Zone other than both being attacked by Bruno.

If Frost and Bruno want MM then I am inclined to vote that way as well.

Are you Town?

[Dark Magician]

Did you get converted by Toadstool last night?

[Renegade]

Did you get converted by Toadstool last night?

I received no feedback.

You claim that you received a new role, correct? So someone must have changed alignment, per my read of the setup.

[FrostByte]

I received no feedback.

You claim that you received a new role, correct? So someone must have changed alignment, per my read of the setup.

Wrong. He claimed dry bones. Dry bones changes when a Koopa dies, as well as when someone changes alignment. A koopa died yesterday.

I explained this once, apparently I'm screaming into the void.

[bakermir]

Oh no DM has gone full conspiracy mode.

that's better than his false claim.

if he became neutral doc after a koopa flip, he would be able to visit someone on n1.

i didn't receive any feedback either.

Did you get converted by Toadstool last night?

also, lovebirds can't recruit n1, it is mechanically impossible.


he is probably pulling some gambit here or IDK what is he up to but I had him townlean on d1 based on goofiness but scumlean on d2 based on misleading via setup speculation

[theoneceko]

that's better than his false claim.

if he became neutral doc after a koopa flip, he would be able to visit someone on n1.

i didn't receive any feedback either.




also, lovebirds can't recruit n1, it is mechanically impossible.


he is probably pulling some gambit here or IDK what is he up to but I had him townlean on d1 based on goofiness but scumlean on d2 based on misleading via setup speculation

what? how?
dm’s day 1 was mechanically scummy bc he lurked, but today he’s basically confirmed town if someone changed alignment last night. there’s no reason for scum!dm to fake-claim converted toad, since ONLY ONE toad can be converted (the max number of “unique roles” for mushroom kingdom is 1).

ALSO, mario checking toadstool isn’t the only way ppl can change alignments in this setup. why do u keep mentioning princess toadstool and no other posssible neutral role?

[Gyrlander]

Oh no DM has gone full conspiracy mode.

[Gyrlander]

I received no feedback as well.

[Gyrlander]

Why are you guys talking as if Loverbirds could recruit? They become a separate scum team. Over.

[bakermir]

Why are you guys talking as if Loverbirds could recruit? They become a separate scum team. Over.

yea, they only kill and RB

toadstool doesn't convert anyone, only waluigi can.

[theoneceko]

....

i’ve nothing to say rn (haven’t caught up either).

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ceko (spewed clear by Zone, has been towny through scumhunting)
Bruno (spewed clear by Zone)

--- TOWNCORE LINE ---

Gyrlander (Maybe spewed by Zone? My paranoia is still there, but the more I ISOed Zone, the more he looked towny)
Bakermir (scumhunting that "looks legit"; will have to see how he drives the game, but for now he's driving it and I think it's productive. Note that I am not townreading him for hammering Zone: he had no value as a scummate for scum!literally-anyone at that point, and bussing was probably the best solution for anyone.)

Frostbyte (Looks good from Zone interactions, and I think he was genuinely annoyed at me earlier. Not a suuuper strong read, but I have medium confidence in it.)

Mike (his "trap" that consisted of suggesting a massclaim and the stuff he said around it really look like town Mike's doing, but he went from me being lock town to being ok with my flip with zero progression whatsoever... so idk, I still find him towny but he has to explain that)
Whysper (based on one good post showing that Ceko-MM is not SvS. Yes, that's weak, and so is my townread)
DM (refusing to hammer Zone isn't coming from a scummate imo; as I said, scum were probably bussing because Zone had no value anymore. He still needs to explain himself though)
REEEEEEnegade (I checked his ISO to update my read on him and realized how empty he had been this game; although his meta is a thing, he hasn't exactly been a valuable scumhunter or anything like that, and we're in the middle of D2. It's time for him to contribute more than that)

--- NULL LINE (Bahkieh goes in there because he did basically nothing?) ---

Firebringer ("N1 Bruno town", really? Nothing else to add to that read, but he really needs to explain that)

Martin (NOT spewed by Zone or cleared by his vote on him; you can see in #962 that he wasn't so keen to lynch Zone juuust before he said stuff about himself being bad and then ended up voting Zone. Just look at his ISO and look for literally all his posts regarding Zone prior to his vote on him, and you'll see he doesn't look good AT ALL, on the contrary. Outside of that, before I called him out on it, he hadn't taken any strong stances (only that Ceko forced him to take some clearer (but not stronger) ones by questioning his post where he just listed posts he found interesting without explaining at all... #595, just follow the blue quote arrows to see the whole conversation), and he talked rather significantly about himself, even offering to link games without being asked to.)

[MartinGG99]

Martin (NOT spewed by Zone or cleared by his vote on him; you can see in #962 that he wasn't so keen to lynch Zone juuust before he said stuff about himself being bad and then ended up voting Zone. Just look at his ISO and look for literally all his posts regarding Zone prior to his vote on him, and you'll see he doesn't look good AT ALL, on the contrary. Outside of that, before I called him out on it, he hadn't taken any strong stances (only that Ceko forced him to take some clearer (but not stronger) ones by questioning his post where he just listed posts he found interesting without explaining at all... #595, just follow the blue quote arrows to see the whole conversation), and he talked rather significantly about himself, even offering to link games without being asked to.)

Had to convert the color here because having Mafia-Red can only be read for so much.

Outside of that, before I called him out on it, he hadn't taken any strong stances (only that Ceko forced him to take some clearer (but not stronger) ones by questioning his post where he just listed posts he found interesting without explaining at all...

I've explained this before. That early reads list was INTENDED to reaction-test Ceko. And it did, when the top two reads were Ceko's scum or suspicion reads:

CRINGE. iow, that read list looks scummy as helllll and there's no explanation to back it up either??? SMH.

Since when did scum have no self-awareness? How come you've been seemingly rather opportunistic like this the whole game?

This interaction was done in less than 2 minutes after Ceko's response. If believe me, you'll quite clearly see I was prepared to pressure him with vague statements about being oppertunisitic in order to see if he would react in a towny or scummy way.

Bake - While I am mostly trying to read independently read people for this game only, I also considered that in the past I've seen him as scum and it seems like he tries harder on D1 to get townread than he is now. (Hi FrostByte, yes I know this partially meta-based)

bruno - Yes, but I have town-read him before. I think his early actions and activity were a strong way to start off the game and put some pressure that may generate AI stuff. Among other reasons. Even if its arguable that he may be rude, I don't think its effectiveness can be doubted.

Gyr - Exactly. What kinda scum just votes Mike here lol

Ceko - Scum in the past have talked to new players. In fact, in my off-site game (that's still on-going but I'm dead town in it), a flipped scum was the only person to interact with me a bit in-depth early on with broad or usual questions like this. Everyone else didn't. Additionally, it feels fairly obvious that players here will eventually contribute to the game, it kinda just a bit fluff to me.


"i think ur solving the game like i am, but u haven't posted enough for me to believe ur not faking this."

Perhaps. There's a reason why I haven't pushed you, and this conversation was intentionally meant to reaction-test you. I think it would be unfair at this stage of the game to say if you're scum or town or neut, given the skill you have displayed so far in the game.

Unless you're going to call all of that coincidence?

This is all evidence of me putting effort into getting more solid reads; Effort that is done because I only had a few solid reads at the time and needed more.

To attack it as evidence of not having any is the WRONG way to look at it because that's exactly the reason why these posts and interactions exist!

[Dark Magician]

@MM
Already explained.
Zone felt like an ML wagon so I didn’t vote it.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@MM
Already explained.
Zone felt like an ML wagon so I didn’t vote it.

So you're basically saying "because I didn't feel like it" and that's all? lol

And okay, seeing how people really get influenced avatars, I might have to ditch my beautiful apparently-a-Rorschach-test wolf avatar.

[Dark Magician]

If anyone Bussed Zone.
It’s probably Baker.

[FrostByte]

If anyone Bussed Zone.
It’s probably Baker.

How do you figure? Baker could've just sat on the fence being all smug like you did

[theoneceko]

If anyone Bussed Zone.
It’s probably Baker.

baker did NOT bus zone