Scum never had control over votes. They don't have majority. Why would you assume that they did have control over votes at some point? And at what point do you think they lost control of votes?
Hammering at this point was not exactly a costly move: Zone was dead anyway, and certainly wouldn't have gotten any credit during the game, seeing how everyone basically hated him lol. DM's refusal to hammer is townier than Baker's hammer simply because scum would not want to make themselves look like the ones who didn't vote the soon-to-flip scum; they would rather place their vote and hope to get some towncred for it, at this stage.
That being said, DM needs to explain his own reasoning clearly; his reply to my question meant literally nothing.
MARSHMALLOW MARSHALL:
Exactly. Do you see what I mean?
LIke, I want to believe you are doing the same MM when you were accusing DS. and remember that game how I never towncleared anyone early game as scum lmao
I am townclearing people here. Gyrlander is spewed town here coming to day 2. I townread him d1 and actually it was my second public TR i made a post about after calling renegade toad.
this was the second vote on Zone MM. Do you think martin is doing the same strat he did in Mildred's???
FROSTBYTE/MARSHMALLOW MARSHHALL:
This was my response to your fluff reads on d1. Half the players are missing from your read list, you were refusing to read ceko and zone and instead TR'd them. Your scumread on Martin mislead Kenny to chase wrong targets. Kenny was a hungry town. Surely his hunger was scary but why would they do that as scum? He was screaming toad.
FROSTBYTE:
I admit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:
This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.
even posted votecount there. Why would martin be the second vote for Zoneq? We obviously had similar reads on some people here.
@FrostByte I understand your reaction to me and I am ready to explain my actions. I stand behind my Mike read and him asking for open claim, failure to pick a side was all suspicious. I put my vote where my mouth is.
@Marshmallow Marshall I understand you are taking slow and a methodical approach when it comes to reading, but can you provide us a full read list now?
Your posts at EoD when we are trying to get a lynch off on Mafia or who we suspect is top Mafia is reaction testing I call BULL SHIT. Then you go on to say I am lieing about it when Bruno even spewed you as next lynch with how you where responding next you going to say I am leading Bruno to scum read you?
Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!
Spoiler : :
Spoiler : long bakermir post :
Yes, I guess I'm seeing what you're saying a bit more about Gyr, although I'm still slightly paranoid (but it's probably more paranoia than anything else).
When martin posted this: He was in a bad position. His tone indicates that he felt like it, and it wasn't unjustified: he was under rather significant pressure. He showed in Mildred that he is not afraid to bus; he does not need to be using the same strategy to bus someone who's in a bad position, just to dare to do it in general.
When looking at Zone's ISO, I found nothing that clears Martin that comes from Zone; it seems to me (please show I'm wrong if I am on that) that the only supposed spewing instance about Martin is the post I just quoted, and what I'm saying is that it is definetly not outside of his scumrange, especially not considering the context he was in.
Ceko is in my towncore atm @bakermir , he's spewed by Zone and he's one of the players who scumhunted the most with rather elaborate strategies (see his read on Mike, for example). My D1 reads were not fluff, they were the ones I had (although I think I forgot to put Mike in the relatively high town slots back then, but I just went to bed instead of posting about it because I was tired lol).
"You refused to read Ceko and Zone and instead townread them" Uhh... do I really need to say what is wrong with this sentence?
And may the LORD forgive me for having scumhunted on D1 and suspected Kenny, pushed him, and then realized he was town. That is absolutely not what town shoul.... wait, it is exactly what town should do! It wasn't even a bad thing: Kenny was NOT widely townread. And again, "screaming toad" is something you saw before me. You're literally blaming me for not realizing soon enough over the course of D1 that someone who has a large and relatively scary scumrange (Kenny) was town, and that's ridiculous.
I can work on a readslist with more people in it now that more people have posted, sure.
This would be true if votes were forced, but they could have gone the same route that @Dark Magician went and refused to hammer and then refused to even address it. Apparently nobody cares about that fact.
The only thing that tied me to Zone was conflict with Bruno.
Burno kept associating me Gyro and Zone just because we had conflict with him, nothing more.
That's why I didn't hesitate to vote Zone. Sure, could be major bussing, but with a majority vote? Why would scum vote Bowser when the day was like 15 minutes from ending. Why not run out the clock?
Frostbyte please reference exactly the 10 posts you claim incriminate me with Zone's Flip, and don't just quote Burno because nothing he said tied me to Zone. Thanks!
rene is worth a re-read. i still think he's townier than mm though.
mm has a good point about gyr and martin (i worked on a wall yesterday that i'll post soon), but he's in a precarious position rn.
:^)
So because I was wrong, I should just sit in a corner and not say what I think? Pssh. You're free not to listen to me, and I'm free to participate to the game (and I will do it). It'd even be anti-town not to do it lol. Ad hominems (because that's what you're doing atm) do not work in a context where we're looking for the objective truth.
Red and yellow: I'm talking about Martin and Gyr because they're the two other scum according to Kenny's last will; the part in yellow explains the part in red, so the part in red is not vague: I just explained it.
There is absolutely no need to get rude. You do realize I have answered the question behind the logic as soon as I saw your post, right? And that you've just keep going on with this? Since you seem to have lost your glasses recently, here is my comment on "the fucking logic behind it", right in my first post of this saga:
And now, can you just stop with insults please lol, it ain't fun for anyone (well... maybe it is somewhere in my brain and in yours too lol but it's counterproductive) and it certainly isn't giving weight to your argument, on the contrary.
Going to sleep, see you tomorrow.
Thank you Anonymous Donor
Also, I didn't receive any night feedback in case anyone was curious.
I play way too much Pokemon.
@theo nceko and @Marshmallow Marshall are koopa
-vote marshmallow marshall
@Renegade sorry bud. no hard feelings. lets win this game.
is frost ur teammate? @Bruno
just read the last 50 posts if the rest of you don't understand. there's a chance that bruno might've not read or thought about the setup and just charged in as powerwolf play. i can honestly see him doing this... for uh, reasons lol. it's unlikely, but still something to consider.
mm mirrored my thought processes at times BEFORE i posted them on the thread. part of me wonders if MM is a LHF (last time he was town, he got close to being lynched). if i rly was koopa, there's no way i would interact with mm like this. scum!ceko plays like a scared buWunny.
(Followed the link from Ceko's wall on Mike)
When I have time, I'll review Zone's ISO, because there are interesting things to get out of there. Tbh, seeing this and this:
I don't see why @theoneceko doesn't towncore Mike at this point: this is hard evidence of Zone trying to take Mike down without getting his hands too dirty (and letting Ceko's get dirty instead). Mike is now towncore for me.
right. like i explained with zone. suck my fuckin dick, i know what i know and i know ceko is scum. you can either join the train or be confirmed 3rd scum when he flips red. quite simple. dont tell me how to speak. this is how i fuckin communicate. so stop discriminating you crusty dick, ugly ass, scrawny ass weak ass excuse of a kappa
Renegade admitted he townread Bruno and then went on to vote him and thunderdome anyway. He's scum or gamethrowing town. Either way, he's not good to have around.
love how hard these two are defending themselves. obvious scum are obvious
ugh. my new playstyle allows me to get better reads, but it comes at the cost of me getting less townread.
this is a cringe ass fucking post. youre a dumb faggot. shut the fuck up, you dont get better reads. clearly. and you are not getting townread because YOURE SCUM. go FUCK YOURSELF.
-vote theoneceko
marshmallow can wait. he at least shied away when i called him out. but ur faggot ass just jumped to #1
i had zoneq_11 pinned literally from day one. i was wrong about gyr n renegade, but i know for sure about you, faggot
remember how i scumread zone at the beginning of day 1 too? and how later, i said:
zone got lynched at end of day 1. idk if u factored this yet into ur scumread of me, but i wasn't present to vote zone bc banana turned the clock back without me knowing. u can also read the spoiler in my wall, if u haven't already, to confirm this.
frankly i dont give a singular fuck what you have to say. you're scum. eat my shit.i explicitly stated zone was scum. you were too pussy to do that, instead u just said Me AnD bRuNo mInDmElDeD uWu like a faggot. took a partial stance and didnt say jack shit. you were just trying to pocket me. go fuck yourself.