I am also okay with not eliminating Auwt here, so that I can prove my role and there can be no question about me
Everyone could have corrected it, this doesn't proove me your are underboss because you know perfectly the name of a role.
When bakermir claimed it, it was obvious in my head he meant to say consort.
Are you trying to persuade yourself that cause of your correction, your claim is confirmed?
You quoted "Confirmed" so you perfectly know which "mislynch" I have been talking about.
Mesk is indeed not "confirmed" mislynch, however, with how the train was formed, aka no reasoning, no argument, no motivation, and whatsoever, I have to count this as a mislynch. But this seems to be the game theme, so do I even have to bother about it? Probably not.
Take it or leave it, I have already explained it.
Also, I feel like I'm trying to convince two people who think I am scum that I am not scum based off of my claim which wasn't really my plan to begin with
My original plan was to let everyone claim before claiming my information so that I could make sure people were being honest and if I thought anyone wasn't I would have just checked them and come out with info tomorrow
That was my plan originally
@AIVION
Setup information says the mole can't participate in the arrest until the night after they were recruited. Is the fbi arrest dependent on having an available mole?
Sorry it says "recruited the previous night" indicating that a n1 recruit couldn't participate in a kill until n3
From here
Mole
You retain any powers you previously had.
You share a factional arrest (night kill) with the FBI Agent.
You cannot arrest anyone if you were recruited the previous night.
You cannot perform any other night actions if you perform the factional arrest.
You share a night chat with the FBI Agent. (Link)
You also have an anonymous night chat with the Lucianos. (Link)
Did you read the end of that day?
I asked what would happen in the case of a tie, then realized I wouldn't get an answer before deadline so I swapped to mesk who, I had said previously, that I would vote for over ducky - who was the other candidate.
I don't see anything wrong with that logic. Where I am from ties often end in a no kill or worse even, sometimes a random choice between the two who were tied, and so I voted mesk because I didn't know what would happen with a tie.
I'm ready to do this
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
yeah looking at OoO, roleblocking is above both arrest and mole actions so it is almost likely there is no mole right now unless varcron was tailored to be gambino by lucianos
i dont even know what to say anymore. mm > ducky or luciano poe seems to be the best here unless I am missing something
if mm flips gambino i will eat my shoe
also when MM flips luciano, i am like 100% dead tomorrow I think, so glgl
People not voting MM:
Lucky
Auwt
Bakermir
no MM, I can't see the game from your perspective.
if town MM is reality, you screwed me up first then screwed up rest of us by not voting ducky. i am really disappointed if you are town here.
maybe you are right with DS maybe not. I am not risking a DS flip today because they might as well be gambino. tell me @Marshmallow Marshall how a DS lynch today helps gambino win the game? help me see why should I trust you
your rhetoric is that you can be town. well, in that case ds can be town too then. how do you explain your vote on them for two days? or their case on you? to me, it feels like most of us are keeping their reads updated and fresh here except you, ducky and auwt.
my PoV: you and ducky are prio to be lynched. I called out the fbi and you didnt hammer them. no one is pointing fingers at you. there is a chance your rolecard ending town tomorrow sure but why do you ignore my leads and reads? or other peoples posts.. you also ignore the fact that you might be luciano and we have no way of knowing it without flipping you. not that it matters I still think the setup doesn't favor us due to lack of roles in gambino pool such as vigilante or half the roles defaulting back to VT, while lucianos can access all the roles(!) including killing and fbi can access all the roles + be a cultist serial killer...
ok i see we need my vote only.
I take it that I have the blessing of rest of us
good luck all
Most likely scenario is:
Ducky - FBI Agent
MM - Luciano
Auwt - Luciano
There really would be no reason for the FBI Agent to not kill two nights in a row (unless, they were not allowed to kill, and only the Mole is - idk if that is correct or not), so the most likely scenario is that Baker is just gambino consort.
I know for a fact that Baker is not FBI Agent, so at worst he is Luciano, but I dont know why a Luciano would be throwing the FBI agent under the bus so hard at this point.
baker you are right, no reason to rush, I guess we can wait for the post count to be lifted so Babnabna can speak.
I will be checking Ducky tonight assuming a MM scum flip. If MM is not scum, I will heavily consider checking Auwt.
Again if baker is faking consort and is actually like FBI with DS mole that is a big brain play. Either way I suck at FM.
Since baker quoted it, im going to respond to this specifically.
MM, I am assuming you are scum at this point. Here is some advice for future games: Your tell here is that you are only concerned with pointing out that you don't understand the progression or the reason for people finding you scummy. Thats an issue. You are less taking issue with the fact that people ARE calling you scummy, but rather that they are doing it for no perceived legitimate reason. The reason is that you come off scummy for exactly what I am talking about, and also that your drive to solve this entire game has basically come down to "KILL VARCRON, KILL DS" to which, Varcron flipped town, and I am obviously town to anyone with a pair of eyes and the cognitive ability to understand how townies should actually play this game.
The one reason to rush would be the exact world we are talking about, where MM/Auwt/Lucky could all just pile on me and kill me rn.
Lucky would have to basically back track their entire town!case against me, which they jsut spelled out recently, so it would blow up their game a bunch, but it is a reason to just hammer here.
Actually you are correct.
@bakermir
People are fighting under your window and drunk and woke you up @bakermir it is okay for you to drop the hammer and go back to sleep.
There was a man in Russia long time ago...
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
Marshmallow Marshall has been yeeted! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!
Marshmallow Marshall (5 [L-0]): BananaCucho, Renegade, Mesk514, DS., bakermir
Auwt (1 [L-4]): LuckyDucky
DS. (3 [L-2]): Marshmallow Marshall (Mayor)
LuckyDucky (1 [L-4]): Auwt
Marshmallow Marshall has been yeeted! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!
Marshmallow Marshall (5 [L-0]): BananaCucho, Renegade, Mesk514, DS., bakermir
Auwt (1 [L-4]): LuckyDucky
DS. (3 [L-2]): Marshmallow Marshall (Mayor)
LuckyDucky (1 [L-4]): Auwt
Jumping on here to acknowledge this happened and I'll get to work on a Day end post here within the hour. Currently finishing up work and heading home and eating.
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
DAY 3 HAS ENDED AND NIGHT 3 HAS BEGUN!
The Gambino Family decided enough is enough. They are going to find out who is a rat and who isn't. They organized a private search among trusted members and started scoping every member out. Everyone seemed clean, no one seemed to be under the FBI's Ruse.
...Except the Godfather. He outright refused and ordered us to stand down. We said it was for the good of the Family, and that as our Godfather you should allow us to search your private quarters and your person. He got angry and took out his gun and shot down two of the members conducting the investigation. Everyone else opened fire. The Godfather was riddled down and fell. We searched his place. There's various news articles and monologues about him giving information to the Feds. And when we searched him he had a Bug tied to his chest!
To think the Godfather himself was in on the FBI's scheme to take all the families down... if someone as powerful and influential as that can be a mole...
What hope does the Families have?
Marshmallow Marshall has been Yeeted! His role was Godfather (Mole)! His last will reads as such:
Sorry Varcron. Your curse strikes again.
Ducky, I checked your post ( and didn't find it very compelling. Auwt's case certainly isn't either, but I don't think it's made in bad faith.
REMEMBER DS. Read my case against him. Here's a part of it, but you should just check our posts on that page and on the pages around it to see the whole interaction. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884441 CHOO CHOO
I'm not sure I like Banana's EoD2, by the way, but I can't really tell why. I could just be paranoid, but his interaction with Mesk felt pretty forced and dishonest.
Made:
@bakermir
@Renegade
@Auwt
@Mesk514
@DS.
@BananaCucho
@LuckyDucky
Whacked:
@Light_Yagami - Brutalizer - Brutalized Day 1.
@Frinckles - Mafioso (Mole) - Brutalized Day 1.
@Dark Magician - Blackmailer - Shot Night 1 by the Lucianos.
@Varcron - Janitor - Yeeted Day 2.
@naz - Beguiler - Shot Night 2 by the Lucianos.
@Marshmallow Marshall - Godfather (Mole) - Yeeted Day 3.
Night 3 Ends August 26th at 8:00 PM EST:
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...=cursive&csz=1
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
DAY 4 HAS BEGUN!
Ahhh... what an easy life so far. The Lucianos laugh and drank the night away merrily. Their Family is starting to become stronger now that the Gambinos are finally being put down like the dogs they are. I mean honestly... Their Godfather? Working for the PIGS?? HA! What a Joke! The Underdogs are certainly in the lead now it seems! What used to be them not being able to walk out in the light of day... Is just the opposite.
They're prancing around the streets like they own the joints! Oh wait... they do! They've basically taken over literally every street corner in their old territory. Their businesses are booming and it's a great day to be apart of the Luciano Crime Syndicate.
Those Gambino's better be watchin their back... For today is our day to rule.
All Hail the Lucianos!
DS. Has been Shot by the Lucianos! His role was Underboss! His last will reads as such:
DS Is Op, plz nerf.
Made:
@bakermir
@Renegade
@Auwt
@Mesk514
@BananaCucho
@LuckyDucky
Whacked:
@Light_Yagami - Brutalizer - Brutalized Day 1.
@Frinckles - Mafioso (Mole) - Brutalized Day 1.
@Dark Magician - Blackmailer - Shot Night 1 by the Lucianos.
@Varcron - Janitor - Yeeted Day 2.
@naz - Beguiler - Shot Night 2 by the Lucianos.
@Marshmallow Marshall - Godfather (Mole) - Yeeted Day 3.
@DS. - Underboss Shot Night 3 by the Lucianos.
With 6 Alive it is 4 votes to hammer.
Day 4 Ends August 26th at 8:00 PM EST:
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...=cursive&csz=1
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
DAY HAS STARTED LET'S GOOOOO!
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
My last will:
Case for each player as FBI agent
Renegade: The dude is only FBI agent if he's bussing with a deep scum play. He did give Mallow a town read day 3 early in post: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884693 and didn't include him in his lunch order in post: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884704
He then flip flops on mallow out of no where in https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...776#post884776
The current vote count at that point was:
Duck (1) - by Banana
Auwt (1) - by Duck
Mesk (1) - by Ren
Ren then proceeds to vote Ducky - https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884783
Mesk votes Ducky - https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884792
Ren unvotes, not trusting Mesk - https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884801
Baker asks if Ren trusts MM - https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884803
Ren calls out MM at the point when the votes are as such:
Duck (3) - Banana, Auwt, Baker
Banana (1) - Ducky
DS. (3) - Mallow
Mallow (2) - DS. Mesk
Here is the post: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884941
This argument and realization is what breaks me out of my tunnel on Duck and makes me realize Mallow has to go now rather than later:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884943
This is an unnecessary point out from Ren imo if he's FBI agent. There's a possibility that he saw the writing on the wall with mallow at that point, but I doubt it tbh. There was still a good chance of getting Ducky lunched if he wanted to keep his Mayor around
Conclusion - it's unlikely Ren feels the need to bus and cut loose his mole here. He's a freaking CULT MAYOR and gives him 3 votes. He can easily seize control next day. There's always a chance that mallow could die by Luciano hand, but then you just recruit another mole afterwards - but if he doesn't somehow die, you have majority vote power and can pick off whoever you want easily.
Bussing a mole is a good strat - bussing a MOLE MAYOR is suboptimal. IMO.
I don't think Ren is FBI agent.
DS. : Vote count looks like the following at the point that DS. votes Mallow:
Duck (2) - Banana, Mesk
Auwt (1) - Duck
Vote for mallow - https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884820
DS. refuses to vote myself or Duck, telling me to go after mallow instead:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884817
Baker: Consort claim. DS. is backing him up on that
In order for Baker to be FBI agent, the following must be true:
1 ) Baker is lying about role and about roleblocking Ducky
2 ) DS. is lying about checking Baker - this means DS. is not underboss but rather something else Luciano
3 ) Ducky is lying about being doctor and protecting naz, since naz died
This means that Baker is FBI agent, Ducky and DS. are Lucianos, and the game is solved with a Baker lunch
It's never that easy however. That's too good to be true
Let's analyze Baker's actions independent of the claims:
The votes are the following when Baker votes Ducky:
Duck (2) - Banana, Mesk
Auwt (1) - Duck
Mallow (1) - DS.
Baker votes Ducky: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884842
Note that this happens when DS. is pushing back on the Ducky v Banana that is happening. Saying that we are two townies slinging shit at each other. Baker had been around, commenting on the train. Saying Mesk put Mallow at L-2 (, asking Ren if he trusted Mallow ( https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884803 ), and commenting on Ducky being in his elimination pool ( but not actually voting him. He votes him after DS. starts trying to draw the attention back at mallow.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884864 is evidence of Baker not being aligned with Mallow as Ducky is an easier lunch to obtain from here but he says "hey I can just block him", leaving Mallow on the table
Baker actually brings up "if Mallow is scum we lose if we don't vote him now" before Ren does: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884917 but its Ren that drives the point home on the next page, Baker kinda just hangs back
Baker expresses willingness to lunch some marshmallows: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post885086
Baker hammers Mallow early. Now he could have seen the writing on the wall and decided to cut his losses. But in order for that reality to exist, then game is solved with Baker FBI agent, Ducky/DS. Lucianos
(x) Doubt
I highly doubt Baker is FBI agent
Mesk: I kidnapped Mesk night 1. If she's agent, then mallow wasn't recruited til night 2, and I really fucked up not executing her
FBI!Mesk is supported by Mallow's last will. It appears from the last will that Mallow may have been recruited night 2, since it seems to be from the mindset of a Gambino.
FBI!Mesk theory is also further supported by the fact that Mallow chose to reveal as mayor day 2 (if he was recruited this decision was made before he knew he was, so no matter what he chose to reveal while he was a Gambino), which makes him a tasty prospect to recruit night 2. Either a) Mallow chose to reveal while Gambino, and got feedback day 2 that he was recruited, or FBI agent failed a recruit night 1 for whatever reason and recruited night 2 the mayor that had already revealed
Now, why Mesk likely isn't the FBI agent:
In order for Mesk to be FBI agent, she threw Mallow under the bus hard. As I explained with Ren's case, this was pretty suboptimal play.
Auwt puts Duck at L-1 here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884919
The votes as of that vote are:
Ducky (4) - Banana, Mesk, Baker, Auwt
Banana (1) - Ducky
DS. (3) - Mallow
Mallow (1) - DS.
Mesk immediately unvotes and then switches to mallow
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884923
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884926
This is horribly suboptimal play for an FBI agent with a scum mayor on the verge of taking majority of the votes. It's very "pro-town" play to unvote, so both scum and town will do so there - but the vote onto Mallow here imo pretty much makes Mesk clear of being FBI in my mind. Big brain play if she is FBI and MVP worthy if she pulls it off
Extra note: I don't think FBI!Mesk ever recruits Mallow lol. From knowing her personally
I don't think Mesk is FBI agent
Intermission: https://youtu.be/OYBySPXg8rs
Auwt: Auwt puts Ducky at L-1 here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884919
After Mallow gets his 2nd vote from Mesk, Auwt doubles down on Ducky (the leading train over mallow) and DS. (the main one pushing Mallow) here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884935
When I throw down the 3rd vote on mallow ( and engage in conversation about scum!Mallow with Ren and DS., Auwt continues to push the duck lunch instead (. This is basically akin to Bart's play in Magellan in my mind - seeing that next day they could have majority, and pushing for that hard.
I immediately get the vibe that Auwt is trying to save his scum mayor and point out that I think they are Lucianos together (. I think it's likely they were in fact teamed, I just had the wrong team
I point out to Auwt I want ducky dead but Mallow is a bigger priority as scum godfather (
Auwt pushes back on it as a "gamble": https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884985
Auwt continues to push against DS. in favor of town!Mallow and scum!DS.
Conclusion: Auwt is one of my top candidates for FBI. Recruited Pringles for his reputation as a strong player, then either did the same for Mallow night 1 or recruited mayor night 2. Tried to keep his scum mayor around for vote power.
Ducky: Ducky ducky ducky. I still think Ducky is scum. FBI or Luciano? Let's explore.
First of all, we have a claim circle to consider. Baker claims consort -> blocking Ducky both nights
If Baker IS consort, whether Luciano or Gambino, Ducky can't be FBI agent. Ducky can only be FBI agent if the following is true:
1 ) Baker is lying about his role or his actions, but is NOT FBI agent, AND
2) DS. is lying about seeing Baker being consort
OR
1) Baker is scum consort lying about his actions but not his role, and hasn't been roleblocking ducky like he said he is
2) DS. actually isn't aligned with Baker, is Underboss (not FBI agent) and saw Baker as consort
So if any of these guys flip scum (Ducky, Baker, DS.) these are interactions to explore as far as who could be who's teammates
SO lets evaluate Ducky's actions regardless of claims:
He votes Auwt, and refuses to vote me for the longest time even with the spat I'm having with him and trying to force the 1v1
He finally votes me in https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884904 after he has 3 votes on him and has probably seen that his hard stance of not voting me is not working
Then when mallow has 3 votes and it seems like Banana v Duck 1v1 is abandoned, he suddently flip flops on me, says my aggression has him second guessing: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post885003
He pushes baker as a last resort to save mallow? https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post885005
Baker doesn't seem optimal though. It seems like the optimal choice to save mallow here is probably DS., who already has 3 votes due to mallow
Though if mallow IS lunched and duck votes with him, this leaves the quacker inbetween a rock and a hard place. What a conundrum
So he puts his vote where he can look least suspicious - the guy he's been tunneled on all game (Baker)
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post885036
This post is actually in favor of town duck imo. I also had mallow pegged as town day 1 (and he WAS town day 1), and he possibly was day 2. But it is double edged as he could be trying to save mallow with this
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post885044 is a huge appeal to keep mallow around
Chicken sees his baker lunch isn't happening, so me makes a final attempt to pull people onto Auwt, as he thinks it may be the best possible way to save mallow: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post885123
Conclusion:
If the whole Baker v Ducky consort/DS. confirmation thing wasn't happening, I would take Ducky for a good candidate to be FBI. But with that taken into account, I think it's likely that Baker has indeed been blocking the Duck, and that he probably isn't FBI agent. The likeliest scenario for Ducky being FBI is if Baker is Luciano and either lied about the claim (scum with DS., unlikely they make this play with crosskill enabled - if either dies the other is immediately suspected) or lied about his actions - this is more likely imo. In which case we have 2 scum from different teams, Baker can actually block Ducky from here.
I don't think Ducky is FBI agent only because of claims.
DS. :
The DS. case to being FBI agent is simple. DS. is hard bussing Mallow and was all day (I don't remember DS' stance before the day tbh)
DS. lied about checking Baker obviously, since they are FBI agent
DS. hard busses Mallow all day
DS' reputation precedes them. Hard bussing Mallow, even as mayor is within their scum range 100%. I'm going to ignore that they pushed back on the Ducky v Banana debacle and doubled down, because they are a strong player.
50/50.
Now all of that being said - is there a possibility of a tailor tailoring Mallow as Mole godfather? Sure - but what benefit does a Luciano gain from this?
If Mallow was Luciano, I would tailor them as Gambino not FBI agent. This is optimal FMPOV
If Mallow was Gambino and I'm a Luciano tailor, I would tailor them as Luciano not FBI agent
Which means the only way Mallow was tailored was if FBI agent found a tailor. I'm not going to even consider this tbh, the likelihood is so minimal
And finally: can Banana be the FBI agent?
The answer is "no"
Because if I was then Mesk would have to be my mole for my fake kidnapper claim to work. Mesk wasn't my mole. Mallow as the mole
Only scneario is Mesk being tailor, and I recruited her
Now why would I point that out
Conclusion:
Lunch order for me for FBI agent today:
Auwt > DS. > Mesk > Ducky > Renegade > Baker
If we lunch Auwt and he is not FBI agent, Baker needs to do one of two things:
If Baker is Luciano and lied about blocking Ducky, they need to block Ducky.
If Baker did not lie about blocking Ducky, they need to block DS. or Mesk
Tbh, since this is my last will, I believe DS. dies tonight. If DS. somehow lives, they should have checked Auwt, which could make this whole thing a lot easier.
With 7 alive, lunching FBI agent is priority over lunching Luciano. Get agent -> 6 alive. 1 dies. 5 alive LYLO. Town can win that. If FBI agent doesn't die, we may be boned.
If 2 town die and its 6 alive rn, well, kinda boned either way. Maybe try to lunch Luciano to even it out?
Good luck! Have fun!
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Yeah, i am the FBI agent.
Baker and Auwt are still the lucianos lol
-vote Auwt
RIP DS
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
-vote auwt
Yeah games a kingmaker now cuz baker and auwt cant kill me during the night.