Sigh , i'm going to bed you guys need to look at the same game I'm looking at please. If you both think i'm town come to an agreement between baker or AUWT. That should help you solve each other if you guys don't believe each other to be town. If you don't TR me than do what ever the hell you want .
The majority of people in this game are town. Remember that people.
MM, if you want to prove my vibes wrong, start interacting in a way which seems genuine. Matter of fact, just ignore me. Make cases on the other players you think are scum. I am legitimately interested because outside of the few town I just mentioned I don't really know who could be scum.
If your tone didn't seem pure i'd probably scum read you too =\
If your tone didn't seem pure i'd probably scum read you too =\
I've been drinking but I have no idea why so many are reading Ducky and DS as scum. WTF. I am not voting DUcky. Auwt and Mesk have been acting far shadier. Varcron too.
Because you've attacked me for reasons I tried to find out, and when I did, you failed to give any legitimate reasons and just discredited me all the time, which is scummy. It would be scummy for anyone to do that to anyone, not just for you to do that to me.
There are two scum teams. Your reasoning is therefore invalid.
I don't have to "prove your vibes wrong", the burden of proof is on YOU, because YOU started to accuse me.
YOU are the one who called me scum over nothing but vibes, and then said I was "only trying to disrupt your case instead of trying to prove you wrong" (which doesn't make sense, by the way, and I already explained that).
YOU are the one claiming I'm the flying spaghetti monster. And when I say that you're being dishonest for saying such a thing without any way to back it up, you just say I'm OMGUSing and still don't back it up. That's scummy. Period.
You gave me a good idea, though... @Varcron , what is your read on DS and on the interaction between him and myself?
Baseless accusations that keep being pushed, and that include a big contradiction that makes the whole thing look terribly ungenuine. Read my post with light meteors falling my letters (like this) if you want proof
Your intereraction with DS (keep in mind I am behind by about 2 pages) appears like a TVS from what I read here
I may be misreading this due to his concussion, however from what I can tell the push on you seems fake just because there is little to no evidence behind any of it.
Yes, for it is the will of the gods :P
I never attacked you on that claim. You could be town janitor claiming your real role as much as you could be scum [any role] claiming something nobody will ever ask you to prove, and I think it's actually NAI.
Well uh, that's exactly my opinion lol. That doesn't really allow me to read you, though, since you could just be echoing me ;-;
The list of people being currently upvoted.
I looked at each of us, one by one. Ducky came out to be the scummiest of all.
I will elaborate more today.
"You don't need to defend you need to be town" , Fine I hope that you're never getting upvoted like this.
This is certainly not something to be proud of, but I'm far away from coasting.
I'm solving, you opposing my solve. Do as you want.
Yeah sure. As I already explained in my Ducky voting wallpost, MM and Vacron fighting each other looked somehow TvT, I couldn't even say which of them looked the scummier.
I haven't.
Either Ducky or you is scum, or both.
You jumped on a mislynch train, with the gracious help of Banana, Ducky and Renegade iirc.
You're being upvoted by a Mayor that has a case I agree with.
Your reaction to MM don't seem to be genuine at all.
I'm opposing Ducky and you, and Ducky is protecting you.
Today my vote will either end up on you, or on Ducky.
@BananaCucho
@LuckyDucky
@Renegade
Come on the "no hammer wtf squad", you aren't that quick, DS just claimed hammering right there.
He was the last to vote, almost at the last minutes iirc?
Btw I didn't realize but the death train = no hammer wtf squad. Incredible.
Keep pointing Auwt.
Banana scum lean.
Part of a stupid wagoon, I know you don't want me to say this, but I will.
My reads about him have changed quite back and forth since the begining.
First the post limit burning, then my withdraw, then him taking part in this bus.
Now I'm waiting an explanation from Banana about the post I didnt understand,
Funny enough he's not able to talk til eod-4h, when I'm not sure to be present.
Nice.
Renegade scum lean.
Part of a stupid wagoon, lost another town tokken by voting Mesk once again.
Floated most of D1. He seems to have taken some sort of a stance however during D2.
Voting Varcron earlier D2, without argument, anyway who needs argument in this train?
Both of them gathered and stacked up scummy action.
Now MM I'm gonna be honest you are one if not the only that I'm town reading.
You are the only one that also pointed out the lack of argument and reasoning in most of the votes,
You were part of the post were Varcron,you, and me got countered by Ducky pocketing Banana and opposing the possible limit burning.
Your interaction with Varcron looked TvT as I've already explained, thus I wasn't willing to vote either of you during D1.
Here it is.
What does that mean? You think Banana attempted to bus someone?
Most importantly, why do you think Varcron-MM is TvT? I hope you didn't just believe Varcron when he said it lol.
@Renegade didn't take many stances at all (not explained ones at least), unless I've missed them. And I want him to take stances.
I maintain my read on you, btw. I disagree with a lot of what you said (there's a lot of "mesk wagon sucks" AGAIN ) but I can see the town thought process behind it.
I want Banana, Renegade, and Ducky to realize that's a hammer.
Considering votes on Mesk :
Clearly voted her for sheeping.
Clearly claimed he believed it was plurality.
Clearly doesn't care.
The post right after this :
Clearly voted her for sheeping.
Do I have to explain anything else?
By the way,
Better be talking to himself or to YOUR death wagon.
I believe I didn't use the right word here. My bad on this.
What I meant was that Banana initialized this awful train with a shaky vote.
I'm aware Mesk tend use D1 Citizen claim as a way to be peaceful all game long.
However that doesn't justify the way that Banana presented this vote.
I guess a quote will work better to answer my stance about Varcron - MM so here it is
I recommend to open the post as this is an answer to a bakermir original post.
As you might have guessed, I do not see you recruit Varcron n0 as a FBI (turns out you are GF so its not even possible, and also it was frinckles that was recruited).
Varcron can be easily spotted due to his claim, for instance if he's moving or not, and so on (so not very likely that he tried to recruit you).
Varcron hard claiming janitor make him less probable to be a scum, cause I don't see scum taking janitor being a good strat overall.
I can't put Varcron in a scum team. This claim is making him almost "immune", I'm just hoping that there would be some investigation done about it.
Both Varcron and MM (+me also btw), noticed several thing early on about post limit and banana case, that gives both of you great town tokken from my pov.
You took the risk to reveal. Either you have omega balls as a scum or you are town.
I really believe you are town, since revealing mayor as a scum right in D2 without knowing anything about others' roles would be literally suicide.
You've played the same kind of games, with same habits as all the game I've played with you. And I've only see you play town games so far.
Regarding Renegade stances, I would say that even if he's floating quite a bit, there is some voting pattern and way of voting + interaction that could be seen.
Otherwhise I wouldn't had been even able to take a read on Renegade as I did a post or more ago.
I just feel like Renegade is mysterious every game, regardless of his alignment.
I understand that you maintain concern reads on me. Also I have to thank you because you are the only one that actually just didn't 'attack' me without reasoning or questioning, but actually put effort in making really decent post to ask for my stance and my thoughts.
Some random peeps thinking I'm not backing my words, here you got some flipfloping.
Going from "I find it pretty anti town" to "If there were reads on the players that exceeded the post counts, i'd find this less scummy"
That's stance changing.
Countering MM, Varcron, me in order to then pocket Banana in that same second post I quoted, and as I already explained.
Auwt you forging STAP IT.
Alright I can easily tell you here about the first statement you outlined in orange "what do you think about banana mans, complete ignorance to the fact that there is even a post count. Overall it seems ANTI TOWN to me." I'm asking frinckles what he thinks about banana's turbo posting. A question isn't a flip flop okay? The next part claiming it to be ANTI TOWN, I've never came forward with a stance claiming that Banana's turbo posting was "PRO TOWN." I've stated that there are reason's that town would turbo post. Never did I flip flop on the idea of turbo posting being ANTI TOWN. ANTI TOWN doesn't always necessarily mean scum either. More often than not you see ANTI TOWN moves coming from actual town players lol.
SO the next post you quoted, which I'm guessing is your evidence of "flip flop"? "If there were reads on players that exceeded the post counts, I'd find this less scummy." So in order to see that the part of the quote AUWT outlined has nothing to do with calling turbo posting AI you need to look at the quote I was responding to with my post.
This is the post of AUWT'S that I was responding to. The part in red is what my post was explaining. AUWT literally is just okay with voting any of the turbo posters, without any individual reads on then or having interacted with them. So when I was talking about finding AUWT'S actions, I'd have found this post less scummy if he didn't just post a hollow statement, and actually backed it up.
So all in all if you look at the evidence I just provided you will see how this post made by AUWT isn't even being truthful, he cherry picked a quote and highlighted some words in it that had nothing to do with the ANTI TOWN thing, his intent seeming to be to make me look like I was "stance changing" and scummy for doing it lol.
How can you find someone ignoring post limit being anti-town, and someone going over the post limit not being so much of an importance to read based on that.
Your reasoning doesn't add up whichever side I'm turning this into.
Look at my quote that you outlined in red, I'm saying : "I'm down to vote any of the 40-post early maker"
So I am talking about turboposting right there so that there is no more coms til eod-4.
Then you decide to answer me about "exceeding post limit count", as for myself it's clear that you are referring to people going reaching the limit of post BY TURBOPOSTING asap.
I'm seeing yourself as digging your own grave right now.
The fact that I have literally proved dishonesty in his posts. *I'll provide quotes.* Also the fact that he literally can't handle being scum read, his tone changes when trying to reply to posts about the scum read I have on him. There was also times where he kept just flat out saying, I'm scum while I was just trying to show him his inconsistencies, during these times he was saying i'm scum his vote was still on AUWT lol. His actions were not aligning with his thoughts.
Spoiler : baker vs ducky quotes. :
This is pretty much all of the bakermir VS ducky stuff. I will also ask you guys to refer to post #815 also, it's a small wall post and should be read individually because of bakers quotes I posted.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884340
Overall turbo posting IN MY OPINION is ANTI TOWN. So I'm not going to read someone based off of post count when their are multiple valid reasons to do that as either alignment. YOU o the other hand chose to associate turbo posting to be a scummy thing. YOU are talking about being okay to lynch the turbo posters just because they are tubro posting. THAT'S what i'm calling out here as scummy.
You literally didn't address any of my points either..
No. Just no. I'm not going to sit there and read someone scum just because they are turbo posting. I'm directly calling out what you said about the people who turbo posted as scummy. It was a hollow statement saying you are willing to lynch someone on turbo posting alone. You had no evidence or reads with that statement nor did you interact with any of the turbo posters to try and gauge their alignments.
Sigh.
Nobody was talking about reading someone scum ONLY due to the fact that they were turboposting, not even me.
Anti-town means winning scum points, thus looking scum.
Anti-town isn't far away from saying scum.
You might disagree, but that's how I see the thing.
Inconsistencies are gathering up.
this is fake.
i will be doing an ISO on ducky later today.
just leaving #361, this is the earliest direct attack on me. he is indirectly targeting me before that by first pocketing banana then mm. i am fine because i think nobody is buying ducky's case on me anyway.
also there is a post around there where he claims mm vs bakermir. mainly focusing on scum bakermir but flipflops with MM.
this person tunneled me since beginning and playing on my short temper like they know i can't stand scum doing this. it is the same scum meta from last game.
He admits to this scum meta here. Yes, my tone changes when I see this scum meta because i am frustrated. Ducky admits to playing on this here and it reinforces my leads on him. He is not just scum in this game but also not a cool person, he seems to be havin beef with me.
I still keep my cool and I really don't care if they have hard on for me. I am here to have fun but obviously this person knows what pisses me off and wants to play on it. They want to drag me and themselves on to stage and wants to bring everyones attention to it. They will be townreading all, scumreading maybe 1 person and still have holes in their reads. The way they pocket people always leaves an open door behind like "hey if you dont align with me in my case then we wont be cool". I have so many posts I can provide on this scum tone.
I apologize to anyone if my tone appeared hostile or if anyone got offended or hurt. I would never intend to hurt anyones feelings here or ruin the fun for people. I am aware I was multiposting and got a bit hyper on ducky. This I would never do and never done before except last game where I got pushed by same scum meta where i was painted as a target indirectly and them pocketing people around then start attacking me directly and continue pocketing people. I don't know why am I the only one seeing this pattern.
I am not here to let myself be frustrated by this and I don't want to frustrate anyone. Please refer to posts around #361 where you can easily see the agenda coming from ducky.
I will provide ISO on this pattern and all the fencesitting done by Ducky if i am not clear in my case.
Obviously there are some things where I can easily give townpoints for you. Firstly, you are willing to clear any misunderstandings. Your tone is town. I think the eod1 rti we had was emotional and I just didn't wanted to join you or ducky's wagon as i scumleaned you both. My response to ducky with quoting zedus was me breadcrumbing something there. Ducky is salty and wants me out of this game no matter what. I believe I have made the right choice between you three. Also naz believes you are cool.
As for scumpoints, your auto tr on ducky wasnt really good. I believe in DM's reads on both you and ducky were pretty accurate day 1. You had couple of misunderstandings with me but still didnt give me a chance while you were ready for it. you continued to throw shade at me and mm. Your connection with ducky is what is keeping you in my scumlean for so long. YOu are ready to reconsider anyone for rereading except ducky and I don't quite see why is that.
You are right about being interacted by a lot of people and honestly I had a very increasing opinion of you during day 2. I didn't really kept my day 1 to this but overall you need to clear some things out. I have already voted Auwt instead of you and called MM out on how bad his vote looked on you.
I will take your claim in good faith here because your role isn't as confirmed as MM here. You could aswell be lying about it but I don't see the reason why we should lose time on this stuff. It is good faith because you are offering yourself here instead of MM for scum to hit at night. yea it could be bluff but we are having a progress
Why do you have to bring this onto a personal level? I'm scum reading you because you're scummy, if you can't handle this and want to cry about there being some kind of personal beef because you're the one of the scummiest players in the game, maybe Forum Mafia isn't for you bud. Maybe you should try knitting or shuffleboard. You are attempting to turn the game into a "poor me" the big bad ducky is picking on me type of shitfest. Can you focus on playing FORUM MAFIA please, and actually back up your hollow statements instead of complaining that you are being a target of a personal beef, and insulting me as an uncool person.
This is the post baker is telling everyone to "refer" back to. I'm trying to get a better assessment on on bakers alignment here. At the time I had a town read on MM. I ask for clarification because I didn't see how baker could associate that MM expected baker to auto town read him.
Post #361. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post883797
This is the first time in my head anyways that I start to question bakers alignment.
Please show us where I "admit" to "scum meta" ... Don't worry I'll wait.
I've been pretty definitive on my reads. I'm really interested to see what you can come up with on who I've been fence sitting on.
You're still claiming I flip flopped on MM? I've already debunked that false accusation, yet you still cling to it. See post # 851.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post884340
You appear to be disturbed by me. why is that? how about you stop pointing finger at me for once and think about your actions.
your entire game was tunneling on me and you just admitted picking on me was the easiest for you. tell me in what world this is cool dude?
I don't find you cool at all and you bring it to personal insults in this post. I never insulted you but only described the scum gameplay.
Who is the snowflake here ducky?
I'm content, not disturbed with you at all, I just read you as scum why can't you handle this without becoming emotionally unstable? I've laid out the case already. Unlike you and your hollow promises of charts, LW'S posts proving me wrong etc etc. I have stopped point the finger at you and pointed it at AUWT, am I not aloud now to respond to your lack of evidence and hollow accusations?
You still cry about me tunneling you, you cried about it after 3 posts about you . You need to learn that I'm not picking on YOU, I'm picking on your play. The more you cry about me picking on YOU, "poor little baker", the more you make yourself scummy. There are no personal insults against baker there. I'm offering more pleasant alternatives then forum mafia if you'd like to try them out. I was pointing out that your scummy play of trying to turn the game into a poor you type of shitfest is indicative of scum behavior.
Are you indirectly calling me a snowflake here after I've almost seen the tears literally welling up in your eyes at times? (Reflected through your play and posts.)
POST COUNT SO FAR!
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc....posted&t=47313
One player has hit their cap this game!
Remember this cap is lifted 4 hours before EoD!
Useful Stuff:
Today's vote count so far:
Auwt (1 [L-5]):
BananaCucho
DS. (4 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall (Mayor), Auwt
LuckyDucky (2 [L-4]):
bakermir, Mesk514
Mesk514 (2 [L-4]):
Renegade, naz
bakermir (1 [L-5]):
LuckyDucky
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-5]):
DS.
Link to everyone's post count at end of Day 1: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...94/unknown.png
Link to Day 1:https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post883412
Link to Day 2: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...038#post884038
Last edited by AIVION; August 23rd, 2020 at 09:20 AM.
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.