S-FM 305: Spirits II (Ladder Game)

[Renegade]

Oh yeah I left Gyr and Blink off. Not sure will re-evaluate.

[Frinckles]

My reads list so far:

Elaborate more on Mesk if you could.

[Varcron]

Elaborate more on Mesk if you could.

I just did

Something feels odd about the way that they're acting and how they're posting. In ways it feels towny, but some of the interactions to me just feel off and kind of goofy.

[Mike]

The only person I am convinced is not scum is Mike.

My Reads

Town Lean

Mike
(Auwt) - ded
Mesk - volatile, but towny volatile

Null

(mm) - ded
Varcron - infamously is scumread but I think he has made a few valid points.
Bakemir - so many of his posts give me a bad vibe. But if we have Scum V Scum with him and marino then one of them is the virus?
Dark Magician - I don't know.
Zedus - also playing slightly differently this game and talks about mafia chat (but making mistakes, an act?)
Frinckles - laid extremely low d1, now taking 'easy' shots perhaps day 2.

Scum

Marino - acting very twitchy and differently in my opinion.


SO I'm placing my vote for here for now:

-vote MartinGG99

Will also consider Zedus or Frinkle. Open to more.

You do know I am voteing you correct? Also please dont make me your top town that is painting a target on my back. I can only hope there is another MEdic..

[Renegade]

You do know I am voteing you correct? Also please dont make me your top town that is painting a target on my back. I can only hope there is another MEdic..

Yeah but again if anything I'm more suspicious of those hard townreading me (like zedus) since I haven't really done much (as Frinkle pointed out).

I'm not the Zedus type that scumreads anyone who votes me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mike]

You do know I am voteing you correct? Also please dont make me your top town that is painting a target on my back. I can only hope there is another MEdic..

Also from your POV how am i townier than a confirmed Dead town.

[Mesk514]

Another evidence came in.


What do you have to say about your exchange with MM on day one? I asked for help from others on this. No one bothered.

You are still my biggest virus suspect.

lmfao this is ridiculous, and you are dumb. 110% will be dealt with.
Varcron gets extra scummy points for hoping on your horrible train.
You have no evidence, and there is no reason for a towns member to claim so. So for that reason, you're stuck on the shit list.
And you will never get enough steam to lynch me, so no worries for me.

[Varcron]

Also from your POV how am i townier than a confirmed Dead town.

Not necessarily town, virus is able to kill wolves.

[Renegade]

Also from your POV how am i townier than a confirmed Dead town.

This was adapted from my LW where Auwt and MM were still present. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mesk514]

lmfao this is ridiculous, and you are dumb. 110% will be dealt with.
Varcron gets extra scummy points for hoping on your horrible train.
You have no evidence, and there is no reason for a towns member to claim so. So for that reason, you're stuck on the shit list.
And you will never get enough steam to lynch me, so no worries for me.

** Varcron gets extra scummy points for hoping on your horrible (fake) read

[Varcron]

lmfao this is ridiculous, and you are dumb. 110% will be dealt with.
Varcron gets extra scummy points for hoping on your horrible train.
You have no evidence, and there is no reason for a towns member to claim so. So for that reason, you're stuck on the shit list.
And you will never get enough steam to lynch me, so no worries for me.

See this is the stuff that makes me feel like you are town, reminds me of Frogs goofy game last game.

[Mesk514]

anyways, i'm off to play some CoD.
Blinkypoo, TOWN CORE WITH ME. kthx

[Mike]

The only person I am convinced is not scum is Mike.

My Reads

Town Lean

Mike
(Auwt) - ded
Mesk - volatile, but towny volatile

Null

(mm) - ded
Varcron - infamously is scumread but I think he has made a few valid points.
Bakemir - so many of his posts give me a bad vibe. But if we have Scum V Scum with him and marino then one of them is the virus?
Dark Magician - I don't know.
Zedus - also playing slightly differently this game and talks about mafia chat (but making mistakes, an act?)
Frinckles - laid extremely low d1, now taking 'easy' shots perhaps day 2.

Scum

Marino - acting very twitchy and differently in my opinion.


SO I'm placing my vote for here for now:

-vote MartinGG99

Will also consider Zedus or Frinkle. Open to more.

Not necessarily town, virus is able to kill wolves.

sounds like backtracking. Pocket FAILED. Vote Says.

[Gyrlander]

Ah yes, Renegade is second in line for getting lynched.

[bakermir]

To expand on why Mesk is scumleaned

His game reminds me distinctly of bakermirs scum game, which is why I have a feeling his is more scum than not.

Exactly.

Early claim - reverse uno


Mesk is just playing a "no u" game here and I am also under a lot of emotions seeing MM die to virus. I have to follow my emotions and save people here whoever visited MM or virus by proposing a lynch on Mesk. This is the only way we cure people.


This slot is where I believe virus is at and Mesk have given me nothing else except "no u". Maybe I am tunneled but I hope I am not wrong with my passive virus theory.

MM is a scary fella. Especially very scary one for scum players. MM Mesk exchange from day 1 gave me the feeling of Mesk being cornered but Mesk was very aggressive then compared to now when I try to corner her. I believe she just tried to improve at whatever she is hiding.

-vote mesk514

[Renegade]

sounds like backtracking. Pocket FAILED. Vote Says.[/color]

How did I backtrack?

[Varcron]

sounds like backtracking. Pocket FAILED. Vote Says.[/color]

I'm not backtracking my vote on Zedus or read on MM, both of those are set in stone for the time being. I was just commenting how the person I was responding to was incorrect, MM is not *confirmed town* yet.

[Gyrlander]

-vote Zedus

Care to elaborate, my dear friend?

[Mike]

I'm not backtracking my vote on Zedus or read on MM, both of those are set in stone for the time being. I was just commenting how the person I was responding to was incorrect, MM is not *confirmed town* yet.

I screwed up I thought that was reengages post. I so misread it.

I was so wrong.

Everyone I misread the posts.

[Mike]

I misjudged renagade u\I used Varcon post thinking it was renagaded

-unvote

[Varcron]

I screwed up I thought that was reengages post. I so misread it.

I was so wrong.

Everyone I misread the posts.

All good I was just a bit confused lol.

[Mike]

All good I was just a bit confused lol.

I need to get some sleep. It was my mistake. got to get up at 5 am tomorrow and it is 7:30 now I know it is early but I am not a morning person lol. I Thought I caught a pocket but instead I screwed up lol.

[Varcron]

I need to get some sleep. It was my mistake. got to get up at 5 am tomorrow and it is 7:30 now I know it is early but I am not a morning person lol. I Thought I caught a pocket but instead I screwed up lol.

While you're here what is your opinion on Mesk and their townread of Zedus?

[bakermir]

lmfao this is ridiculous, and you are dumb. 110% will be dealt with.
Varcron gets extra scummy points for hoping on your horrible train.
You have no evidence, and there is no reason for a towns member to claim so. So for that reason, you're stuck on the shit list.
And you will never get enough steam to lynch me, so no worries for me.

Your relationship outside of this game has no effect on votes here.


If you mean people won't support me because you call my ideas bogus and expect people to think the same as you because of it then you pretty much doing a 180 turn from "IM CITIZEN LYNCH ME" to a wolf defense.


I am not going to push for your actual role. But I still believe you have a harmful alignment for a progressive town and the way you are fencesitting with everyone, your passive d1 only explains why you are the most suitable candidate. I also called Auwt paranoid and MM to be wuhan of mesk-19. Thats 2/2 for me so far. I have no reason to believe you are town anymore. I gave that for your reserved approach on D1 which is justified for the sake of WIFOM. But now, no..

[MartinGG99]

My reads list so far:

Town:
Martin
Bakermir
Mike
Varcron (Townlocked)
Marshmallow Marshall
blinkskater

Townish
GOOFY Renegade
Frinkles

Null:
Gyrlander (I literally cannot read him for the life of me rn, he'll change later probably)

Scumlean:
Mesk

Scum:
Zedus

Knowing my read lists I likely forgot someone, know that early game all reads are subject to change as some probably will over the next day.

@Varcron

You forgot Dark Magician.

[Varcron]

@Varcron

You forgot Dark Magician.

DM sits in the town category, thank you.

[Mike]

While you're here what is your opinion on Mesk and their townread of Zedus?

I town read them both. they are 2 people I do not want to lynch day 2. Mesk to me feels like a scummy player meaning that is there play style. But there reactions they are having feels real not faked. Zedus feels like an easy mislynch.

I want to read thru Day 2 and figure out who seemed to know MM would die that should out our virus. Now for wolfs. time will tell to early for lynch yet we have more time.

[blinkskater]

You do know I am voteing you correct? Also please dont make me your top town that is painting a target on my back. I can only hope there is another MEdic..

Thats exactly what you wanted tho right mike?

[blinkskater]

anyways, i'm off to play some CoD.
Blinkypoo, TOWN CORE WITH ME. kthx

I already did babe.

[Mike]

Thats exactly what you wanted tho right mike?

If I wanted that I would not post that.

[Mesk514]

Mesk to me feels like a scummy player meaning that is there play style.

I like you, you have a brain. Are you single?

[Mike]

I like you, you have a brain. Are you single?

nope happily married. plus prob to old for you lol

[blinkskater]

I'm not backtracking my vote on Zedus or read on MM, both of those are set in stone for the time being. I was just commenting how the person I was responding to was incorrect, MM is not *confirmed town* yet.

So MM will flip what and why?

[MartinGG99]

This was adapted from my LW where Auwt and MM were still present. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So does this mean your reads haven't really changed at all or very much since SoD2? Presuming you wrote such an LW on N1.

[blinkskater]

If I wanted that I would not post that.

You claimed you wanted to bait the kill or check? Does that go out the window now?

[Mesk514]

nope happily married. plus prob to old for you lol

that explains it. you've been laid in your life and have had a woman keep you in check.

[Frinckles]

It's true that I am the most ignored slot in the game. Very true.

[bakermir]

I end up tunneling on Mesk here but I see there is a lot of interesting stuff going on. I will need time to analyze all. Also still waiting on MM flip to understand if MM visited someone or MM was visited by virus. I believe he didn't visit anyone and I suspected him gettin visited tonight simply because he would be a sheriff target + pushed Mesk/Mike/DM during the day. He placed himself with us on hotspot. I expected virus visiting one in MM, Mike or me and do a spree. I believe this had the most chance of happening, for reasons I will not elaborate further.

I will be off and my vote stays on Mesk who I believe is scum. I have completely ignored my D1 reads and made new D2 ones and I don't see any harm to town lynching this slot because this slot still fits the virus profile imo



Also Martin, I haven't forgot about my promise. Expect something today.

[bakermir]

It's true that I am the most ignored slot in the game. Very true.

not for me. but you did kindly ask me to give you space in the beginning of D2.


So tell me. MM is out.


Who is your next virus candidate?

[Frinckles]

not for me. but you did kindly ask me to give you space in the beginning of D2.


So tell me. MM is out.


Who is your next virus candidate?

The game wasn't engaging for me at that moment and I didn't see much evolving from you two interacting over and over. So I wanted to give you two an opportunity to step back while I tried to work some ground.

It's hard to say how accurate a virus guess would be in all honesty but it's not impossible to try. My reasoning in terms of MM wasn't just that single line, but compounded by how he was scummy overall in my perspective.

So, if he flips Mafia you can call me a Town member or a Mafia hunting for virus.

And if he flips Town you can call me a Mafia hunting for a virus, or Town with a bad read.

[Frinckles]

But if you absolutely want an answer with little thought in it, I'd go with one of DM, Varcron, Blink or Ren. All four have been nicely aloof. Then of course they're the Gyr-factor.

[Frinckles]

Rather, engaged heavily in one aspect of the game and ignoring the others.

[MartinGG99]

Spoiler : Read List Quotes :

My reads list so far:

Town:
Martin
Bakermir
Mike
Varcron (Townlocked)
Marshmallow Marshall
blinkskater

Townish
GOOFY Renegade
Frinkles

Null:
Gyrlander (I literally cannot read him for the life of me rn, he'll change later probably)

Scumlean:
Mesk

Scum:
Zedus

Knowing my read lists I likely forgot someone, know that early game all reads are subject to change as some probably will over the next day.

The only person I am convinced is not scum is Mike.

My Reads

Town Lean

Mike
(Auwt) - ded
Mesk - volatile, but towny volatile

Null

(mm) - ded
Varcron - infamously is scumread but I think he has made a few valid points.
Bakemir - so many of his posts give me a bad vibe. But if we have Scum V Scum with him and marino then one of them is the virus?
Dark Magician - I don't know.
Zedus - also playing slightly differently this game and talks about mafia chat (but making mistakes, an act?)
Frinckles - laid extremely low d1, now taking 'easy' shots perhaps day 2.

Scum

Marino - acting very twitchy and differently in my opinion.


SO I'm placing my vote for here for now:

-vote MartinGG99

Will also consider Zedus or Frinkle. Open to more.

Now this is interesting. Two rather differently styled reads lists popping up within a minute of each other. What is with the coincidences lately???

One that has a lot of town-leans.

The other with a whole bunch of Null's.

Neither have a whole lot of variety, which is what I tend to dislike seeing in read lists -- especially when they cover many (if not all) players.

Both could be said to be wolfy in the holy name of WIFOM and the fact that everyone has different play styles. However, I don't think they would both time their read lists like that if they're both wolf (This dosen't exclude a Wolf + Virus situation though). So I decided to take a different route, on the hypothesis (this is just a hypothesis) that if scum are going to interact and read each other, it'll probably be towards the end. Its something new I just thought of now, so I haven't applied it to other player's reads in the past.


Looking at the ISO of Varcron, these are the people they've interacted with in order (with read coloring):

Spoiler : list :

Renegade
Mesk514
Mike
Zedus
bakermir
Dark Magician (town according to a later post by Varcron)
Auwt (Dead)
Frinckles
MartinGG99
Marshmallow Marshall (Dead)
---------Day 2
Blinkskater

Notes:

-Most of the people that Varcron has problems with are earlier in the game. His more solid "town" reads are rather evenly distributed.

-However, that "town" read of Blinkskater seems rather rushed considering they just subbed in.

-In my opinion it seems to suggest a "innocent until proven wrong" approach. Which I guess I can get behind if you keep in mind of the statistical chance of a person being town rather than not-town. I still don't entirely like it though; personally I would have more "town-lean" reads, not "town" reads.


Looking at the ISO of Renegade, these are the people they've interacted with in order (with read coloring):

Spoiler : list :

Zedus
MartinGG99
Mike
Auwt (Dead)
bakermir
Varcron
Mesk514
Dark Magician
Marshmallow Marshall
--------Day 2
Frickles

Notes:

-Renegade here has non-null reads mostly from the first half of D1.

-After that, he starts Null'ing a whole lot. Is he tunneling here or is he trying to keep himself open to whoever gets scum read and suddenly start scum reading others? (And in the latter case, is he virus?)

-I may be inherently biased in evaluating this since he voted me along with the reads list.

[MartinGG99]

This might be flawed, but I feel like given the circumstances they could be useful insights.

[MartinGG99]

FTR

Renegade (2 [L-5]):
blinkskater, Frinckles
bakermir (1 [L-6]):
Mesk514
Zedus (3 [L-4]):
Gyrlander, Varcron, Dark Magician
MartinGG99 (1 [L-6]):
Renegade
Mesk514 (1 [L-6]):
bakermir

[Varcron]

So MM will flip what and why?

MM will flip as a town in my opinion because of his attitude and how he operated during the game. I find it unlikely he is scum however the window is always there.

[Renegade]

So does this mean your reads haven't really changed at all or very much since SoD2? Presuming you wrote such an LW on N1.

Adapted. I left auwt and MM in there but changed some things and added to it.

[Frinckles]

Idk imma need more scumhunting from ren / varcron to move you two off the table. Im sure your townreads are helpful to others but i want more help mafia.

And if those are unavailable, try interacting more with your nulls.

[Frinckles]

That's just my take.

[Frinckles]

Finding mafia* if that wasn't apparent.