can you report these messages? there's a ton of staff that's supposed to be addressing these things. from my perspective, i haven't seen direct attacks, but a lot of toe the line. I haven't been reporting them, because I'm fallible.
Let's all check ourselves and make sure we're not attacking each other. Ideas are okay, but not the people behind it.
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This society has changed many times before and it will continue to change after you are gone.
If that change includes someone being (IMO acceptably) uncomfortable with the prospect of lynching, be it due to historical reasons, political reasons, or reasons having to do with the fact that they had an uncomfortable run-in WITH A LYNCHING, then I will welcome it with open arms. It's a word. That isn't much of a change. You should be expected to not be an asshole and follow the precedent that is set here.
This isn't a PragerU-esque "The left wants to take away your penis!" scenario. This is revolving around an outdated term originating from a 10 year old mod of a game. Your freedoms aren't even like, brought into question here.
That's because people like to turn everything into a political discussion when in reality it really shouldn't be.
Politics is "who gets what, when, and how." in reference to who gets what resources, when they're distributed and how they're distributed.
At least that's what I was taught in my political science classes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I find it incredibly awkward that the word "Lynching" is being defended so vehemently as though it has no ties to the killings of hundreds of African-Americans. The context that we use it for here is the niche context. It is definitely not standard.
I don't care whether it's kept here or not. I'm amazed how people care whether it's kept on a completely different website or not. And I guess I struggle with seeing how other people DO care because it completely doesn't make sense to me because it's a change that will not effect my daily life in real life, and will not effect my browsing here in any way shape or form.
I also don't think that you can't call yourself racist if you LEAVE A SITE because they changed the word "lynch" to "eliminate".
You know how many blacks were killed via lynching? Wanna take a guess? Because the number isn’t that high. And it’s not the first time in history lynchings have happened, and in the context of Mafia it literally has nothing to do with that. I don’t even understand where you’re coming from suggesting I may be racist for ‘leaving the site’ if the word gets changed. I’m not American, I don’t even associate the term with racial lynchings like some Americans do. That part is virtually unknown outside of the US.
It’s nice to know that’s how you feel about me, stealth, though. Kind of disappointed in you.
I've been advised to lock this thread. Putting this on pause for 12 or so hours to let people cool down.
you WILL be infracted if you post in this thread after this is closed.
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Reopening this thread. Treat this like the opposite of circle jerk. Please and thank you!
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I changed it (rather, pushed for the change because I couldn't be fucked to do it myself) to yeet because I think it'd be hilarious if the bot said "yeeted" instead of "lynched". I'm also a pretty big troll and I thought it would be funny to see people get their panties in a twist over it. Hell I think it'd be kind of entertaining if as a community we added some fun flair to shit like that, like we've already been doing. Maybe having holiday themes on the bot text and whatnot.
Literally nobody pushed me to do this, nor did I do it to really include anyone. I don't directly know of anyone who wanted this change other than myself (at least, before I proposed it) and I don't particularly care about whoever wants to come to the forum now because of this. I just think yeet is a funny word.
Since I coded the entire bot myself, and wrote all the phrases myself, I'm exercising my own creative liberty in controlling what it does. Just like how when I was designing the logo of this site, I didn't add a noose and instead added a fedora because that's the artistic choice I felt like making. Or how sometimes I used to add silly flairs like snowflakes or bunnies falling from the top of the site.
You can absolutely whine, threaten to leave, or protest this change. For all it's worth, it might work.
But if you do that, you'll have to live with knowing that you repressed my own free speech and my right to make the statements I want to make with the art and tech I produce, solely to pander to your idea of politics. Because you were upset by a word change I made for fun. Would you be able to, in good faith, continue your free speech crusade, knowing that leftists have never successfully pushed me to change my speech or the way I express myself, but you have?
@Voss bro you forgot to open the thread
@Stealthbomber16
I wanted to say that I am not disappointed in you, but rather proud of you for speaking your mind.
I really really really like this new stealth (this isn't the first time he's done it, and even though I disagreed with him last time I think it's better that people feel free to speak up)
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
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i think this is veering off topic and would like to say that although the admins would like to uphold free speech on the forums, they don't have to and would be well within their rights to ban political speech. One reason that they don't is that it's not the kind of community they want to have here.
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Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Dude what if whoever won an FM got to pick the word the bot uses for the next one lmao.
If you are disappointed in me for having my own political views, that’s fine. I can live with that. I used to look up to you as a player and as a person but the hissy fit you’ve thrown here has made me really sad. I don’t think there is any reason to be upset over a word change. I don’t think it reflects a societal change. I don’t think it really reflects a site change. Oops is doing it to be funny. I think that beyond being funny it could also be a (barely) constructive change.
I don’t know why you are upset over this change. How does the bot not saying lynch damage your freedom of speech? It’s not like the word is banned or anything? Does anybody actually ever READ the bot anymore? I just skim through the vote and see who got lynched.
I don’t see why you are so adamant that other people are assholes because your vocabulary makes them uncomfortable. Believe it or not, repeatedly using a term that you KNOW makes people uncomfortable makes you an asshole. You can choose to deal with that or you can choose to be mad about it. But if you get mad about it you won’t change the fact that you are being an asshole. I don’t mean this in a rude way. I mean this in a constructive way. If the fact that a large portion of our community has come together to tell you that right now you are being an asshole doesn’t phase you or make you think “hey maybe I’m being a bit of an asshole” then I’m not sure what will.
I’m going to end this completely worthless rant by saying that right now you are being a stereotype. You are a stereotypical image of a right-winger to a leftist. I’m more of a leftist and it makes me sad because I know that you are a much deeper person than that. But getting upset that a bot that you didnt develop is changing a single word that has historical subtext in a community that you are not in just reeks of being spoiled. You can dislike me for that opinion, that’s fine. Why are you so afraid of change? What do you think would come after this? We have to replace the mafia with babies because the mafia killed a bunch of people? We call it sc2baby? Nah.
I think there is a fear that this could snowball into something more. But I don't think it will because the staff doesn't really want to become the moral authority on everything, primarily because it's time consuming and that's not exactly why we're here.
The reason why we're talking about this one word was because it was brought up, and now a ton of discussion has been generated, so it's well documented now on how the community feels. I don't think the community wants to go through this process over and over again. But that's just my take here.
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I propose that we move forward with sc2baby rebranding
On a serious note, I would like an actual sc2 theme rebrand tbh. We did this with H Y D R A accounts, making them Archon accounts instead. Why not fully embrace the theme?
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
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FM XXI: USA (Escort)
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Remember when WC3 was perfectly fine and Blizzard stepped in to give us WaRcRaFt ThReE rEfOrGeD? Why does it matter what that shit company steps in to do when it hasn't done anything good in at least 10 years?
It makes me uncomfortable though.
Here's some links containing a lot of arguing about the name actually
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ghlight=archon
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ghlight=archon
And actually a really funny quote that is 100% relevant to this thread:
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Yes, you could have worded this post much better. You could take out all the insults entirely, which include: "asshole, stereotype, spoiled", after which you can include more neutral term, but the first thing that would have helped bridge discussion would have been to adopt a hopeful attitude towards Ganelon. Instead of getting mad at him, it does help to take a breath and then contain all the words and tones and feelings that someone else would take negatively overmuch. Perhaps you would call this censuring yourself; however, humans, including you and I do it all the time. Paragaphs with charged wording does not inspire change.
I appreciate your care for this site, but I think you could have discussed with more mild language.
I'm glad that oops_ur_dead decided to take things into his own hands, so now I can comfortably say I had no say in such a matter.
As a lyncher IRL I find this change unacceptable and an infringement on my way of life.