Also Marlwyn in my mind you signalled to me 24 hours ago that you were Architect (?shortly after the time I said I changed my read on you) - I thought you were being intentional, but from what you said later it sounds like maybe you weren't. So it wasn't any great surprise when you came out and claimed it.
Please cut it with the personal insults. This is your first and final warning.
OMFG Did Jan seriously quit.
WTF.
I'm trying to find the exact post but it's hard. The one where I asked you how you knew something and you said "by process of elimination" which effectively I took to mean that you were filling the missing TPR slot and seeing as we had a likely Architect unaccounted for I took that as your claim.
I admit to only half finishing my calculation of the chances of framer/sheriff whatever stuff. I still think it would have been best for us to skip, but mentality has shown we cannot keep people in the game long enough to be doing the optimal play. Whether it was optimal or not to skip I guess is besides the point. Let's see if I get this name right
-vote S-FM Rotholfo Goncales
Good job me, L-2 btw. In range of hammer
You know, the only thing I can really offer after I've been reading here and there to catch up is.. Marlwyn sticks out like a scum Architect to me truth be told. It's either that or believing that Quinne is scum. Looking at motive and consistent behaviour so far though I'd be inclined to say that Quinne might actually legitimately be the second Sheriff. After all, would scum!Quinne have gone into night chat with his mafia teammates and hash out a plan that says to claim to have checked me, say the result is "Town" and then still place the vote on me?
I've liked Marlwyn's contributions from D1 to start of D2 but I'm starting to lose faith.
On the Goncales matter.. yeah, that slot is being played pretty rubbishly. Is that play indiciative of scum alignment though? Feels like a typical bad!Cit slot with the uncaring way of playing when the average player finds out they landed a "lame" role. I'm not really opposed to the lynch overall but are we going into this lynch thinking Goncales is scum or isn't it rather a mindset of "good riddance"?
The plan of "let's wait and see" regarding Korvin vs Vlad seems a bit.. I don't know.. thoughtless? I get the idea, I'm just wondering if we aren't disregarding night actions too much in interfering with the proposed plan. And when did a quickly thought of plan ever go down as planned? Need to take a closer look at all the possibilities of what could happen at night, especially regarding scum role actions and in what ways they could interfere. Personally I don't feel very safe in that area.
Can we get the updated tally to see where the votes are sitting and who hasn't voted?
I will shoot the Hammer that is a promise.
I'm legitimately sad if Jan quit. Of course I CCed him, I but tried as much as I could to focus on what he was saying and not him directly.
Sigh.
There is no lock plan in place there are at least 5 plans put out leaving mafia to much wiggle room to wifom if it does not go there way.
Interesting that people would think of Ensign/cit as a "lame" role.
I find it incredibly relaxing and 'freeing' to play.
You don't have any responsibilities to use any powers correctly.
You don't know any extra information that you have to worry about leaking out.
You are free to leap head-first into the joy of trying to solve the puzzle.
If people find you scummy then screw them, you know you're a cit.
-vote S-FM Rotholfo Goncales
Lets go people. Who dare e Hamma?
You can correct people without saying or implying they're dumbasses. Now everyone should just calm down before we get modkills or stuff like that.
What is the actual objective, non-insulting matter, btw? Jan didn't want to roll with the Coroner confirmation plan?
-vote unvote
Do we even still have a functioning plan?
We have multiple plans but I don't think any of them are foolproof. I don't know what to do.
Rodolfo seems highly likely to be mafia - it seems like a decent plan to lynch him.
We can consider alternative targets but we are over half-way through Day and I am unsure if we will get required votes espec. with coroner tapped out.
I don't think there's much merit to the SKIP plan now that Coroner Jan is gone. Not sure we gain anything from it other than to drag game out.
Also Jan did say she submitted the day reveal request already so unsure if that ability will go through even if she gets mod killed or what's going to happen.
I was directing my statement about incompetence at quite a few people.
I was asking if we are going to lose because we cannot successfully follow through with a plan. That doesn't seem that toxic to me, but you be the judge.inability to do something successfully; ineptitude.
Anyway yeah, a few people to day have been far from helpful when it comes to this. Having to re-iterate information that's been posted numerous times, blatantly not caring to read, making false assumptions, missing crucial pieces of info, the list goes on.
I'm simply worried that night actions might throw the current plan into chaos or falsify our conclusions but I do not have all the existing roles and their actions with OoO ingrained enough to see if we'll be 100% fine no matter what happens. It's just that nagging feeling that nothing ever works out as easily as it seems.
Regarding lynches.. tough. I'm not too sure about Goncales. It's not unusual for low-effort scum players to blend in as unassuming or uncaring citizens. I don't want to rule out Goncales but I'm trying to see the motivations of everyone that joined this train. Is it truly because everyone currently on Goncales believe him to be scum or isn't it because Goncales seemed like an easy person to lump their vote on? I'm not sure the votes would have piled on so quickly if Goncales truly were scum.. that might mean Goncales could also be a neutral role though. Unsure.
I just don't want insults to escalate.
Also I'm happy to share a night-chat Marlwyn if you wanna have a good time. We can nut out some reads, or just nut
Personally I'd agree that rolling into a Citizen slot is freeing in a way. We all know that there's a certain type of FM player though that loves to play roles that have an impact during the night. You could say that type of player is probably better suited towards Sc2Mafia Mod games rather than FM games but they'll still sign up regularly. It is what it is.
I need someone to check tonight and reveal to prove I'm coroner.... I don't think not checking anyone at all would be enough evidence.
I want you to put me in the chat in case your are the framer. as the framer can not use night chat and frame. and since I am laterally the only 100% confirmed town. It is safest with me to confirm it happened. If I am not in a night chat with you I will shoot you because that mean you are going to frame some one in the night and have a mafia partner say you where in a chat with then to clear you. If you are truly town you would want to be in the night chat with the one who can shoot anyways.
I think I agree with you about Rotholfo. His play doesn't make sense if he's scum, even bad scum because it's highly unnatural, while it can make some sense if he's town playing the "low effort 'shitizen' " game.
As for the plan for the coroners... well, maybe you're right. After all, scum saw all of our reasonings, so it's not like they didn't have time to think about how to counter us. They could very well have a roleblocker, and that would screw our plan. The disguiser would also do that. So uh, do you think we should actually lynch between the coroners? I feel rather safe with lynching Vlad, and although it's a bit dirty, I don't see Jan reacting like he did as scum. That would go against the sportsmanship he seems to consider as very important, and it would not be coherent with his personality.
Long story short, thoughts about actually lynching between the coroners (and probably picking Vlad to die)?
There's a "Vote Count" button at the top of every page, it's automated and always available
Although, I would gladly accept a CC challange -- if the Scumitect in question wants to.