Just because Auwt didn't want to vote Zedus doesn't mean one of his mafia buddies did it for him on the basis of disagreement (don't forget, Mafia don't have a day chat so they couldn't coordinate on Day 1). Such as you, Grakylan (as a possibility for consideration, not definitive), who supported Auwt in his last read that only took 4 minutes to type from his last post (#219).
Ugh, tried to rewrite that sentence and mangled it sorry. I meant to say his reason for voting Auwt was an obvious joke.
Also, it seems some people might've missed my proposed Tinfoil theory at #623, I'll repost it here.
I got a tinfoil theroy (meaning: this is only considering something as a possiblility rather than whether it's probable)
Spoiler : My Tinfoil Theory :
Any thoughts on the above tinfoil theory, anyone? Is it probable?
Jokes fly over our head. Plus if it was a joke he probably would have unvoted pretty soon. But the fact that he kept his vote for many hours after he cast it and my whole messy introduction says wonders about Dallarian. Even with the context of the grudge, the vote stayed for a long time. That doesn't seem like a joke.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
Honestly, i'll say what I feel right now here: I do highly suspect Auwt. But my push onto him seemed unexpected by him, and I thought his most likely scum teamate was grakylan. If he was scum, then he's sort of bussing Auwt now. But I feel confused and unsure as to who exactly could be the most likeliest scummate to Auwt other than these possiblities: Helltanis, Grakylan, Dallarian. But I dont know who.
Auwt is the only lead I personally got, unless somehow its a Helltanis/Dallarian team. But it just feels like I dont have enough evidence to incriminate anyone other than Auwt. This is why I had to make it a tinfoil theory, it seems 100% plausible, but im unsure of the probability. If its not Auwt, then im at a complete loss as to who it really is. And maybe that's another one of my failures.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
I suppose we could go back to Bakermir. I mean, we do have plenty of time to analyze him and let him prove himself town.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
I wanted to post more but it felt like I would reveal too much. Sadly we already lost our doc and a shittizen.
But I will give you a tiny bit of what I am thinking;
We have 2 possible invest claims between Dallarian and Grakylan.
Auwt seems to go hard on protecting Grakylan. Grakylan gave the same read on Day One as Auwt, also voted Zedus up. Then canceled his vote at final hour and voted back up again. That is really suspicious to me with all the reads I have so far.
Zedus/Bakermir idea was set by Auwt on #154. #154 and the facts there always looked artificial to me and it was copying #77 to some extent. It almost feels like Auwt tried to pocket Martin earlier and Dallarian indirectly. Auwt never suspected Grakylan's poorly constructed reads. You, Ren and Ash recognized it.
I can talk about Auwt and Grakylan for too long but I still want to believe they are working for town and not their own agenda.
Despite Grakylan claiming detective, I still can't trust the guy because of how he played the entire game. Auwt claims Grakylan is the biggest town read here.
A lot of inconsistency with Auwt/Grakylan but at the same time they have been following each other.
I would like to know if I am alone in these observations.
Lol fair.
I came in breathing fire at Martin and then Auwt started acting scummy as heck (Seriously people: why does he automatically exclude himself from the scum’s possible kill options?), but the Martin push makes me think not aligned, but maybe they’re distancing, and... I just don’t know.
I will do my best to sort through it all and come to a firm view. But right now I just don’t really know exactly what to think.
Just remember that we have 46 hours left. If you need to take a few hours off to clear your mind about it, that's fine. I think most people here trust you more than anyone else, including me. I've even town locked you. Whichever decision you come to, im sure you would have given your best thoughts and effort about it.
Please Dallarian if you really are some town investigative, put your clue on the table.
We would need some power help, coming from EVERY side
If I had to put you on a scum team with someone it would be Martin. His push on you looks pre planned, and If you two are a team you wouldn’t have anticipated getting heat from other players as well this early and would have thought it safe to do a bit of distancing.
I also really need to think through my stance on Grak. His claim is a big deal and we’ve all been sort of brushing over it. There are a lot of implications to be considered.
Anyway, I will leave it like this for now, getting late.
Do not go on a hammer 30 min train like it was done D1. Thanks gnight
Also, lets not forget, Zedus was a citizen and I believe Bakermir was one of the first people to believe he was Town. He even tried to converse with him and explain to him that his toxic tone was ruining his arguments. I think because of the d1 lynch, Bakermir is definitely not scummy.
Lets also not forget that Bakermir is the person that Auwt wanted to lynch on EoD1.
You know what, I even slightly agree. Because fact is, Auwt called me as citizen -- for the sake of argument I'll admit he was 100% right about me. I am citizen. So if he's scum, and called out all the citizens correctly, then there's no point in the TPRs hiding. Because they're already known to the mafia.
But this does seem slightly risky to do.
I said it already: Auwt is a loudmouth. And a very solid one at that.
The strat scum could be employing is to shoot the sheep. A lion cant find against two wolves if he doesnt have a group of sheep to trample them. Scum can coordinate a lynch on a town mouthpiece once all the townies that are following are gone, making it easier for confirmed towns to be lynched, and harder for scum, who may become more overt as the game goes on, to get lynched. Renegade followed popular opinion, not forming it.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
But here's a fact if he is scum, and I am scum teamed with him:
We lynch a scum. That isn't a mislynch. If im scum then I kill 1 person tonight. That still leaves 1 mafia against 4 towns. And it'll take at 2 mislynches to lose at that point. It might even be worth lynching me.
Oh and @Helltanis , the town is going to need your participation. You've been inactive for a fair bit and we'll need your contribution to the discussions if you can do that. I would understand if you're very busy, but if you are please try to give an estimate as to when you're not busy and will be able to contribute.
Ok, so Grak is claiming detective, and that he cleared bakemir. So let’s work through the various possibilities.
1) It’s a real claim. Grak and bakemir are both town.
2) Grak is a fakeclaiming scum, and bakemir is town. In this case Grak is just trying to claim a power role to take heat off himself.
3) Grak is scum and trying to clear both himself and his scum partner.
4) some insane bullshit where Grak is vanilla town fakeclaiming a power role like Zedus was.
I’m trying to hold all 4 possibilities in my head as I read and assess what is plausible in those scenarios.