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Let me finish what I am writing currently.
I'll be back on you soon, don't you worry.
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https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
The original post was literally saying the same thing, but with the green part uncolored. I just needed to specify that the green part was part of a question I answered in the post before. Any edits I make are just so minor its not worth fussing about, such as adding some descriptor word like "somewhat" in there. I'm not straight up changing the vote like Helltenis was.
Although reading over Martin's read, his read that Helltanis was a new player could make sense. I know for sure my mentors been quiet lately.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
Well, I am tired of it. This discussion looks like some kind of Misslead Festival. Waiting for Auwt explaining his position.
Honestly, we all agree on fuck Zedis? Then fuck Zedis. I don't mind the heat about to come down on me, I'm from Arizona, bitches!
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
-vote Zedus
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
Here goes. Honestly, I already shared any thoughts I had that aren't already shared with others (Martin is a good town, bakemir kinda sus but should be looked upon instead of straight up lynched)
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
Zedus is hellbent on punishing us if he is town, which is so freaking anti town I can't even.
Well, evils revealing now, in last seconds, as I explained before.
-vote Grakylan
I find bakermir slightly defending Zedus, but from my –Mafia- opinion I have on bakermir, I do not believe he would protect his mafia friend this way. He easily manipulates people around to do what he wants, but I do not believe this is the case. This is information I haven’t confirmed in FM.
Early game situation between #100-#200 shows how people get easily influenced by Auwt. After Auwt post some strong content, the way people perceive game changes. I try to distance myself from his reads, for he is very convicing person. If Zedus is Mafia, then I do not believe bakermir is his friend.
I thought Zedus over. His altitude changed to the game completely. I was likely to believe he have done newbie mistakes and tries to play game with newer, more open-minded approach as townie.
However, on his “evil” approach first he denied admitting to manipulate Martin, then he said random lynch and lynch is same thing for him.
On his “new” approach, after being asked for it, he didn’t really answer my question and went around. Just as if he hoped we will forget about some things after his defence and fully accept it. I find it hiding an inconvenient fact, what is suspicious for me and together with his earlier behaviour I maintain my opinion on him as Mafia Member.
-vote Zedus
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Night One
Zedus was lunched. They was a Citizen
Nomnomnom.
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Citizen1. @Auwt
2. @Renegade
3. @Dallarian
4. @MartinGG99
5. @Helltanis
7. @Grakylan
8. @Ash Lael
9. @bakermir6. @Zedus - Citizen
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Day Two
Renegade was murdered. They was a Doctor
They had a last will written in BananaCucho's blood
4 votes to hammer.Spoiler : Last Will :
Rolelist Alive Players Graveyard Mafia Any
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Citizen1. @Auwt
3.Dallarian@deathworlds
4. @MartinGG99
5.Helltanis@Drizzt
7. @Grakylan
8. @Ash Lael
9. @bakermir6. @Zedus - Citizen
2. @Renegade - Doctor
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That lynch you guys just did was shameful.
Alright. Being alive past night one has been an interesting experience. It's unfortunate renegade died last night, I had my ISO prepared for him last night :(.
I got a tinfoil theroy (meaning: this is only considering something as a possiblility rather than whether it's probable)
Spoiler : My Tinfoil Theory :
Any thoughts on the above tinfoil theory, anyone? Is it probable?
Anyways, I have updated my reads now.
Awut: Null, while I do believe there can be a possibility for him to be town, for him to vote Bakermir and leave it as that without much of an explanation before EoD1 just rubs me the wrong way. Also certain aspects of the tinfoil theory remain true, even if Awut is town, such as his repeated suggestions that I am citizen. Which can only be indirect power hunting as, if Awut's suggestion is true, means mafia can just do process of elimination in order to figure out who is probably a TPR and shoot them for it.
Ash Lael: I've explained my reasons in the past reads. I'm just town-locking him until strong evidence says otherwise. (Besides, I need to maintain my own Process Of Elimination pool.)
Bakermir: Honestly, it feels like a lot of suspicion was on him in part of a possible Zedus/Bakermir combo. Or at least for me. Now we see we were clearly wrong about that, I think I feel safe in putting him as town lean. Although, I would really like to see if he has a reads list of his own right now, because if I'm not mistaken, his last reads list was at #120 and a lot has changed since then.
Dallarian: Also null, I feel he is a potential combo with Grakylan, if its not Auwt or Helltanis & if Grakylan is scum. Besides, with him being against Auwt at times, and fairly consistently over the course of the game, I feel its difficult to argue that Awut and Dallarian could be of the same alignment if Grakylan is scum.
Grakylan: My read hasn't really changed much on him. I don't think the reasoning for voting Zedus was particularly scummy or towny. It could have been oppertunistic, as he unvoted a minute after Dallarian unvoted, and voted Zedus 3 minutes later. But I don't think this is indicative since with the given reason it can't be argued as scummy. Scum-lean.
Helltanis: While he is a new player, and was voted for by Grakylan, I'm going to downgrade to null from town-leaning. But don't expect me to not hesitate before lynching him, if that's the consensus we get today.
As for Renegade, here's my belated ISO of him that I promised earlier:
Spoiler : Renegade :
Additionally, here's the Post Count at the EoD1. For the record if anyone is checking in the future. Post count in my opinion is usually NAI, but its strange to see that both of the people I mentioned in my tinfoil theory are at the bottom of the post count (Aside from the godfather bot and the host, SuperJack).
Spoiler : Post Count :
Ash just brought wood to the Zedus fire by discrediting my vote on bakermir.
You all went on Zedus in a 30 min interval and I sadly wasnt present between this time.
At this point the only possible team for me are
Dallarian/Ash
Ash/bakermir
Dallarian/Martin
Might turn into something else if progress are being made.
Ugh. I feel so sick and angry right now. I literally am finding it hard to post.
I’m angry at Zedus, I’m angry at Auwt and I’m bloody furious with Martin.
Here I have my thoughts about each player after day 1:
SJ –Oppressive, enforces the law and uses his power to order people around. Legends say has power to kill people, but he behaves more like Mayor. What if he’s both Vigilante and Mayor? Maylante? Strongest host read here.
Auwt – I am preparing another post dedicated only to him.
Renegade – observes and asks questions to find out more, however I don’t really know what is going in his mind. A bit “cold”. I do not know what motives him. His actions seem to be reasonable. Slightly town.
Ash Lael – Trying to solve game, asked constructive questions to both Zedus and Martin. Is more open than Renegade with his thoughts what makes me find him townie. But there’s one thing that’s worrying me.
Helltanis - is definitely lost in what’s going on. I need more information. Lurking Mafia perhaps?
Grakylan – newbie behaviour. Weird End of Day content, but it is natural to fight for our survival. Changing vote to Zedus is not aligment indicative. I need more information. Lurking Mafia perhaps?
bakermir – jumps very early to attack, but his intention seems to be fair and clear to me. I hope today we will have a lot of information about him.
Martin – suspicious behaviour in early D1. His short posts style makes it difficult for me to follow him. Reacted very defensively after push on him, but I don’t find it aligment indicative. Both activity and effort aren’t aligment indicative. A bit too general in terms of lynching? Does he care who’s getting lynched?
Zedus - unlikely to move or speak any more.
I do not believe a townie would take the risk to lynch someone openly claiming a town power, naming Zedus.
If you are really a townie, this play shouldnt have been made.
I believe that when you saw my vote on your potential team mate you just went "wtf not taking any risk to let my mafia scum being taken away"
Thats only a possibility, but the way you acted just after my vote on bakermir was unbelievable.
I've been pointing out bakermir for around 400 posts ago.
Zedus - worst team mate I could have asked for. I still can’t believe he did all that shit as a god damn citizen. I thought and hoped he would be scum, I braced myself for the horror of a power role flip, but the one thing I wasn’t ready for was that he would be a god damn citizen. To do all that bullshit claiming power and hinting at secret plans when he had absolutely nothing to back it up... just the worst, worst teammate ever. He was flagrantly and blatantly lying to our faces and we correctly read him as a liar. I really do not think we can blame ourselves for this one. This is 100% on him.
I have got a few questions regarding yesterday’s actions:
What do you mean in a literal way? Concerning the sense of the sentence. I simply don’t get it.
@bakermir , if during end of day Helltanis was around L-2 or L-1, would you vote him?
Didn’t you go too far with this statement? You mentioned it as “easy world” and supported this post with later mentioned “hard world”, but still considering 4 people, confirms atleast 2 Townies in this group. They are perceived as potential Mafia for similar reasons (except for Martin) and since one of them could (actually did, I wish I’ve written this post before End of Day) be Town, then lynching everyone from this group would be an easy way for Mafia victory. You later followed:
I find you open-minded, but isn’t it too narrow thinking?
Zedus (5 [L-0]): @MartinGG99 , @Ash Lael , @Dallarian , @Grakylan , @Renegade
Zedus seemed to tone down at later stages of Day One and you guys still lynched him.
I think these 5 people need to explain to us why did they lynch a townie.
A town move would be to remove him off stage and get someone else up like Helltanis or Grakylan as I suggested on #502.
Okay, I am gonna quit bitching, lets get straight to the facts;
#438 from Helltano Capone still stinks.
As for Grak,
Graky was null for me in the beginning just for the sake of new player game but he just continued his scum playstyle from start to end.
I hope this was a better explanation than my post on #502.
Oh and there is one more thing. A question for @Auwt ;
Why were you away on EOD1?
Are you implying a scum claim against a person that I've town locked for practically the whole game? You had him at town lean on your only reads post at #154. What's with this turnaround when you earlier claimed the two likely possiblities were Martin/Dallarian or Zedus/Bakermir?
Ah jeez a bunch of replies posted.
I'm just gonna say this now before I make another post that is more caught up, I can confirm any reads on bakermir that puts him on town alignment.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
Seeing Zedus die exclude the Zedus/Bakermir option, even more, because Bakermir didnt vote Zedus during last lynch.
A turnaround is perfectly fine considering what happend in the freaking last 30 min before lynch.
I have seen many lynch in both the mod and past games, but this... was... uh.
I wanted a lynch on day 1, that was clear from the very beginning and im never going to deny that. However, in my defense I had offered either Grakylan or Zedus as options that I would go with. I wanted to go with consensus. Keep in mind a now-dead Doctor had voted zedus.
The guy seems to pair with Dallarian a lot. Unsure if its because of the grudge or not.
But its surprising for him to not pair me or helltenis as scum considering both of us have behaved quite strangely.
Renegade is town leaning alright.
On the subject of Renegade, he didn't really explain why he would decide to heal Ash. I wish he did.
Martin's posts are all but short from what I've seen, unless I'm already forgetting some posts. Back that up with proof?
Remember that Martin was the one to push hard for Zedus. Who else was it?
With two mafia, you only need two people pushing strongly, and sheep like me might follow.
I don't even know what playstyle I'm playing lol.
I don't talk a whole lot, but you? You don't do a whole lot either, in every sense of the word. Its as clear as day, and not obscured in the shadows of night.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
You went from saying it was between Zed and Grak to voting bakemir with no explanation. That’s what’s unbelievable. I don’t give a shit that you were suspecting him earlier, reads change and evolve. You need to explain your changes and you did not and still have not. And I am not going to apologise for defending the guy in this game that I trust most.
And yes good Town players are willing to lynch power role claims if they believe the claim is a lie. Go read game 6 of champs. The best town performance you will ever see, and they lynched a power role claim in day 1 with a clean wagon of 9 of the 12 town players on it, and they swept the game without a single mislynch. If you’re going to be intimidated by a power role claim you are going to lynch town every time, because scum have no reason not to lie.
I hope everyone eventually reads my Tinfoil Theory at #623.
I would trust Renegade's intuition, so perhaps Ash is a townie. I don't know what makes of Auwt and Dallarian. I feel like if one of those two is a scum, the other should be town. But Zedus did defy all expectations, so who knows what to expect.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
This reflects perfectly my mind-set
Going on Helltanis is currently useless for some reasons. Grakylan has tough post atm, but isnt scum. Thats what scums want town to know. (this idea might change considering how the game progress).
Not that I didnt want, but just couldnt, my bad for this.
This is the same feeling I had from the case I made last night. It doesn't feel like Dallarian and Auwt could ever be on the same team. Then again, its possible (but i feel unlikely) it might be another town vs. town situation (at least from my perspective) on the whole Zedus debacle.
#138 explain my reasons for defending Martin. I find both him and Ash too general about their lynch list, they appeared to be content if we lynched anyone from suspicious group. This thing prevents me from fully Town reading Ash and put Martin below neutral read.
(#628 ), not (#62
Already clarified the post between Zedus/Grakylan. Their slots were shaky, but not shaky enough compared on how I saw bakermir D1.
So this isnt a "change" more a "confrontation between who was the shakiest to my eyes".
You shouldnt compare this game to some elitist thingies that is champs.
There are no great player of Mafia, only players that are willing to see something at the right moment at the right place.
I havent got a single clue on how did game 'insert a number' go.
I do not need anyone apologies, but your ignite the powder keg you did on Zedus was horrible.