Well, there is a possiblity that Helltanis is scum. I think it comes down to a difference in perspective. A few of the things he has done could be naturally done even if he were a noob scum who was new to mafia. But those two different read attempts kinda rubs me on the side of town. For scum noobs, it may be simple and just try their best to copy everyone else (even their reads). Here, he's being a bit of a standout like Grakylan.
Additionally, Grakylan says Helltanis is a headless chicken, like him. Okay. Then based on that they are both new to FM, who's more scummy? I feel Grakylan would be.
Every answer from any of you is very welcome, so thanks.
I also believe Martin put so much effort toward the game and his last full ISO was really relevant and very close to my actual thoughts.
I wouldnt vote for Zedus right now, he should survive the night. If he does so, we should really push him for his role since apparently he claimed being power.
Atm I'm more between Grakylan and Zedus being the scum, will see later.
Grakylan (1 [L-4]):
MartinGG99
Zedus (1 [L-4]):
Dallarian
Helltanis (2 [L-3]):
Grakylan, Renegade
For now I will hold to my oldest read.
Since I'm waiting for Zedus to possibly make a claim EOD1/SOD2,
And Helltanis/Grakylan seem to be either citizen or hiding behind null reads (alongside with bakermir)
-vote bakermir
From Martin’s ISO on Auwt:
I definitely wouldn’t rule out an Auwt/Martin team on that basis. Could easily just be distancing. Auwt hasn’t gone for the kind of really hard push on Martin trying to get him lynched that would make such a pairing difficult to believe.But for some reason he suggests an Auwt / Martin scum combo? He says we cooperate well together. But how can that be when Auwt made a post suggesting a Dallarian/Martin team?
At this point I used the sentence "I'm defending Martin", but the truth is, I didnt intend to really defend him.
I just thought that bakermir and Zedus were voting Martin for really weak reasons and very early on (first and second post from respectively bakermir and Zedus).
I do not consider to be possible to come, and at the same time vote someone.
Fair enough. However, mafia don't have access to a day chat, so it must be some play on Auwt's end, if we were to imagine I and him as mafia. I personally haven't pressed him at all because I haven't found anything wrong with his posts other than the nitpicking at Dallarian and saying he was "aggressive".
Bakermir has always been on my scum list along side with Zedus.
Zedus convinced me a bit (but not too much still), and I already said, he claimed power, I wouldnt take risk lynching him right now, unless big failure happen from now on to EOD1.
So last call is Grakylan.
Between Grakylan and Bakermir, this is a tough spot, but I told you earlier that Grakylan is sending powerless bored Citizen play.
I wouldn't see a scum comming in the game and say : "I will do as always in the mod, randoming" (idrc if it was said like this, but thats the way i perceived it)
Leaving only Bakermir.
A bit offtop.
Feel trolled.
My main in RPG games usually is Summoner.
@Ash Lael
That's consistent of Auwt to vote on bakermir.
I want to summon the spirit of JaggedJimmyJay to tell you how cowardly and weak this is.
Any scum on the block could claim power role to avoid a lynch. Why wouldn’t they, if they are going to die anyway?
If you just automatically respect that claim, you are guaranteeing a town mislynch. To catch scum we need to have the courage and conviction to stare through lies and see the truth.
Yeah I’m aware that he’s been dissing bakemir for a while. That’s not my issue. My issue is that he had seemingly progressed from that and had explicitly been weighing up two other players. Then bam, that gets discarded for no clear reason.
As town it’s fine to change your mind. We all get stuff wrong, hopefully we all reassess. But it’s important to explain your thought processes.
If Auwt was still considering bakermir why didn’t he list him with Zedus/Grakylan when he made that post? If he had genuinely moved on from that read, what has prompted him to suddenly move back? He needs to explain these things so we can assess if they are genuine towny thought processes.
*sussing not dissing. Autocorrect.
Fair points above. I am considering that I too am giving too much weight to zedus's soft claim of power, and based on the four scenarios with him I shared he is more likely scum.
My pool of lynch candidates at the moment are
Hellantris, Grak, and Zedus, and am willing to consider Bakermir.
For the record, bakermir is and remains my strongest town read and he has been ever since like page 2. I’m comfortable with the idea of Renegade/Dallarian/Auwt being town but I’m confident in bakermir. There’s no hidden agenda with this guy. He’s out to catch scum.
Yeah he’s been a bit tunelly on Martin, but townies tunnel! If anything that’s more Town indicative than otherwise.
Ash - I might suggesting placing a vote. Day is going to end in around 3 hours and I think the EU folks are going to be sleeping soon.
Be sure that my guess have still been on Bakermir for very long, I just wanted to make sure nothing goes off my mind from Grakylan and Zedus
I have asked many people on their thought on bakermir, and so I believed I just had to clarify Grakylan/Zedus position before doing so.
Here's another question I think we should consider:
If there is some consensus on Bakermir being scum, while others may be deemed more suspicious than other players, then why can't we just put Bakermir's "trial" until the next lynch?
What we know for sure about Zedus is that he is not one of 9 possible roles in this game. He is one of 5, 2 of those being scum, because he has ruled himself out of the 4 natural Citizen roles.
If you are reading anyone else as a town power role, that should narrow the non-scum possibilities for Zedus further still.
I guess what I'm saying is, if we're going to lynch, and we all want to lynch someone, then why shouldn't we lynch Zedus (or anyone else if there's better consensus) and then put Bakermir under the microscope the next day phase?
I agree, bakemir doesn't need to be lynched today, three (I think?) are already on the table for good reasons.
Current Votes for later checking
Grakylan (1 [L-4]):
MartinGG99
Zedus (1 [L-4]):
Dallarian
Helltanis (2 [L-3]):
Grakylan, Renegade
bakermir (1 [L-4]):
Auwt
That didn't reflect my switch, here are current votes:
Grakylan (1 [L-4]):
MartinGG99
Zedus (2 [L-3]):
Dallarian, Renegade
Helltanis (1 [L-4]):
Grakylan
bakermir (1 [L-4]):
Auwt
Based on what I've noted from the last reads of everyone, we either have the largest consensus on Zedus or Grakylan.
Renegade has null'ed Zedus, but scum-lean'ed Grakylan.
Ash Lael, on his last read at #249 (before the Zedus debacle) had Grakylan as his strongest scum read.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the only published reads list of Auwt is back at #150.
Auwt had Grakylan as town-lean, while having Zedus Scum-lean
Dallarian has Zedus as his biggest scum read at #500, and suspected Grakylan.
I would go for either a Grakylan or Zedus lynch. Preferably Grakylan.
But Zedus did scum read Grakylan at #507.
Helltanis null'ed preety much everyone but two. Dont know if he would even vote.
Bakermir had Zedus at town-lean, and Grakylan at null. (This is from #120...waaay back)
@Zedus , anything to say?
I nulled him initially but after my post with the 4 zedus scenarios it seems MOST likely he is scum to me. His play doesn't make sense as town.
So you still want to lynch someone d1...
Well, I kinda trust Auwt at this point, but voting Bakermir will probably a result of losing smart and accurate town player. Can you explain why you think he is definitely evil?
Looks like its Zedus unless people move to Grakylan.
-vote Zedus
He's at L-1.
Well, Martin doing again that he is shining in - missleading town... Nothing new.