Anyway if there are investigators let investigators invest and I pay attention to suspicious behaviour. There shall be justice
Yo Dallarian you feeling suspicious now? Hehe
I am refering to my post #76 where I quoted, that Martin lied about amount of people needed to lynch someone.
Martin's post is somewhere between page 2 and 3.
Such small things can confuse our new players, everyone please avoid that.
However, calling everyone a lier isn't probably the best thing for me.
I am sorry.
@Auwt @MartinGG99
Ah I just wait for a mentor...
Last edited by Helltanis; June 25th, 2020 at 03:50 AM. Reason: Post correction
I d be survivor that way I can get clues if evildoers and possible townies were I could possibly side with
@Helltanis
Editing a post is not allowed in the game.
Hey, dumb question. How do I give myself an avatar?
Okay I will be away for a while so this is my reads so far;
1. @Auwt
Having a reserved approach but also given a hint of town. Need to see contribution to town play. Could be any role. null for now
2. @Renegade
Seems to be okay so far. Noticed the oddity with Martin but didn't vote him up. Need more from him. null
3. @Dallarian
It appears to me that he successfully changed topic and distracted everyone off Martin's very sketchy messages and focused on his "little game" instead. Also, most of his messages give a hint of town power and town way of thinking, but this doesn't change the fact that he is protective of Martin. Just looks like Dallarian is ready to vote anyone up here except Martin. There is something wrong here.
He is in between null and scum.
4. @MartinGG99
Some things were said about him. But we can't deny the fact that he started the role discussion, tried to lead town from start, conflicting messages, wants to random lynch by the end of day and shown scum reflex.
I am also heavily disturbed by the fact that we have 2 mafias alive and Martin is being slow voted.
Hiding information doesn't help town. We need information on wolves. It will give us a lot of leads for the future.
biggest scum read here. i believe he needs to be trialed today as soon as possible.
5. @Helltanis
I truly believe he is new. Still need more town input from him. null.
6. @Zedus
Pointed out another sketchy detail about Martin. He is good in my eyes for now. town read.
7. @Grakylan
His entrance was a mess. Changed his play entirely as soon as he got attention. That is quite scary. Not to sure what to make of but null for now.
8. @Ash Lael
Understands sheep and wolf mentality. Every time I read their observations, I can't find anything wrong. Legit townie so far.
Personally, I was trying to see whether if people thought that was a bad thing or a good thing. I mean, earlier you pushed me because my question wasn't self-conscientious or self-aware. However, through all of this, I intend to be brutally honest about myself, both in-game aspects and out of game aspects. I think we should all consider that, once again, I was the only one to post a question for people to react to at the start. I'm a noob, and I was nervous that this game could go wrong, so I wanted to be proactive as possible and provoke debate within the town early on to ensure there's discussion. I'm quite glad @Dallarian and @Auwt answered the question, but I'm not sure if I can read them since I've explained the question now. And while I appreciate Dallarian's efforts in agreeing with me, I also intend to be aware of whoever tries to pocket me this game.
Also, what I meant is that we needed 4-votes before I'm vulnerable to a single scum hammer vote. It wasn't intended to be a lie (or perceived as such). I evaluated that for practical purposes that we shouldn't put me at 4 votes right now for the sake of prolonging the day before I get lynched.
Also, to reiterate to all whom it may concern, I felt lynching someone today (regardless if it be me) may be the town's best option since the TPR's probabilities of impacting the mafia or getting leads on night 1 is rather low, while the mafia nearly have a 50/50 chance of killing one of the TPR's tonight.
Uh, no, I did no such thing.
I pushed you because your question was dangerous for town and I thought you were intelligent and thoughtful enough that you should have seen that. But that’s very different from being self-aware.
Being self aware does not mean being thoughtful. It means being overly conscious and concerned about your own appearance - as you would be if you were a wolf trying to impersonate town.
You’re smart enough that you shouldn’t need to have that distinction pointed out to you, frankly. It doesn’t inspire faith in your motives.
Im not calling anyone stupid here when I say thins, but sometimes ingenuity is present in stupid decisions that are done in line. Sometimes you need to be smart enough, but not a bit more than smart enough, in order to unknowingly do dangerous things. Now, im not proclaiming myself to be stupid, but I would like to argue that that my inexperience can or is impairing me. To study something is one thing, applying it can be another. However in spite of that, I continue to try my best at discussion because it is the best tool the town has, and also because, as I mentioned earlier, I do like being social in a game of debates. Honestly, every post is something I get conflicted about and have to decide to listen to my anxieties or nervousness or not because it is my first game. They tell me to be quiet and to accuse others when they show flaws, in order to find the scum, but i don't want to listen to that. I want to be proactive, and to overcome the emotional challenges it takes in order to get more experience. Unfortunately, that means i'll be making some bad decisions or bad questions. But at least I can try to learn from them. I've made myself vulnerable in order to become better at this, hopefully so to prevent any pointless attention (that was caused by me) against me, a townie.
Corrections to previous post:
"..when i say this"
"...Done in Life"
@MartinGG99 you literaly offer lynch someone, who will be 77% town, because "mafia have 50% chance to kill important town role", lol. You pretending to be "smart" with math, but offer stupid and dangerous action for town.
You cant night kill a mafia unless you're vigilante or veteran. Or a smart jailor. Currently there's only about a 33% ( 1 - ( 14 / 16 ) ^ 3 ) chance just one of them exists. And they only got one activation. Also, this is directly taken from the new player guide at:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...654#post828654
If anything, suggesting a no-lynch is a poor play, in my opinion, unless the town is seriously conflicted over who the vote by the EoD.
Apologies, I was double checking my math here and its incorrect. The chance of having *a* jailor, vigilante, or veteran is actually 46% ( 1 - ( 13 / 16 ) ^ 3). I accidentally calculated for cases where I wanted to know the chance of at least one of two roles will exist at least once from 3 Town Any's.
Let me explain why I have defended Martin.
In the beginning of the game, Martin has began a question I find off-top and neutral to the game itself. The question have pushed us into content and conversation. Before start of the game I was afraid we would have difficulty in establishing conversation at all and we would end up having low activity and no information.
After 7 hours of the game I believed Martin was put at L-2 (he was actually at L-3), with contribution to the game from 5 players total, and 2 players haven’t said a word yet. With Zedus contribution and if Grakylan’s vote was correct, Martin would be put at L-1 after 11 hours of game. Hammering him would be easy at that point.
We gained and are still gaining information from this day and I believe it would be waste if we lost 75% of the day due to speed lynch. I am happy I convinced Ash Lael to temporary remove his vote on Martin in order not to finish day and I find it my personal first small victory in mafia.
Some may not know yet, but if Martin is voted by total of 5 people the day ends automatically. There is no trial like in mod mafia.
It doesn’t mean I trust Martin.
In this situation uwu, I found defending Martin beneficial, regardless of his aligment.
True. But I thought it might help guide our feelings and thoughts as to what the town should do. Obviously, i'm on the boat that says to figure out who to lynch, and that it should be someone, today. Can't rely on TP's if its 50/50 that they'll just get killed tonight, or the low chances for each TPR to learn something or do something useful the next night phase. The only excuse really is jailor, who can only work without a lynch. But by the time we ascertain we have a jailor, its likely they've already revealed and that would be unfortunate as they would be night killed.
For all future references, whenever I say "day" here, I am generally referring to the day phase unless I specifically state something in regards to my availability. I keep forgetting to add that phase or IRL day specification to my posts >.<
How does everyone feel about the game state right now?
Given that I don't have much experience, I can't say much. I'm quite glad I generated a fair bit of discussion with the controversies I've created, though they originally weren't intended to be controversial. But discussion is discussion, and that's good. Personally I feel the reads we have are a bit lackluster, I mean in terms of how many of us have given reads so far. That would be me, Ash Lael (who has actually given two so far), bakermir, and Renegade. Although, i understand if some of us had to wake up only to go to work quickly and therefore didn't have much time to spend on this forum. As personal policy, I'm not going to hold it against anyone for posting or posting in low amounts except in very exceptional circumstances.
Correction: "Given twice so far/already"
In virtually the same breath, Gray votes Auwt, unvotes, votes Martin, and then chastises Dollorian for voting Auwt.
To sum up my read of the Marino situation, I ultimately do not think an inexperienced scum would be so over the top and out there. Rather, I think those pushing for his lynch currently are strawmanning some early game goofiness from Marino.
His discussion about his own qualms for playing FM seem sincere, but yes I agree the contribution does not help.
I also share this concern from Dollorian. @Grakylan do you not realize the gravity of your vote when you cast it, since in your second post with the disregarding of your Auwt vote you say you are basically screwing around initially to get info. So is this vote on Marino screwing around or trying to get real info?
On this point, I can't see Gray's vote in the vote list, and I can't see a post where he unvoted, except the post where he unvoted then voted Marino. Am I missing something?
If you could do anything what would you do?
I wanted to post some more content in a few minutes, but Some Game Studio stream has just began, so please excuse me for few hours.
For the record, since we are discussing our origin stories (Hyperion Cantos anyone?), I am from the Sc2 mafia mod as well. This is my fourth game playing, the other three were Third Line Butterfree, Insanity, and Nightless, if interested. I regularly stir up trouble in the sc2mafia discord server (and in the mod), but do not intend to do that here.
Considering everyone has been here since Zedus has arrived and posted, I thought about my reads a fair bit for everyone.
Town
Ash Lael: I think he's definitely town since he went (comparatively) tooth and nail to question me. Also given reads twice.
Town Lean
Dallarian + Awut: Both of these could have siezed the opportunity to vote me, (or even just pressure me for that matter), but didn't. Also explained the concept of avoiding hammer risks and that lynching ends day.
Null
Bakemir: I might put him on town lean. Primarily because he gave a read.
Helltanis: Most posts are related to the fact that he's new the FM.
Renegade: Im unsure about him. He has given some reads. He hasn't voted me, but in retrospect given the circumstance when he was active I'd say voting me tempoairly might've been more towny, given that only 4 people were there at the time. But who am I to say? It just might be a place/topic to enter endless WIFOM.
Scum Lean
Zedus: Provided, he hasn't posted much. But with his posts all he has done is socialize a tiny bit with no content, and just vote me with only 2 posts explaining why. Also, as I see it, he was implying that a no-lynch was better than any lynch at all. But I could be wrong given that he voted me.
Grakylan: Worse than Zedus in my opinion, only three posts. Also presumably tried to vote me. I don't like how he picks on my reference to depression & me in regards to my response to Ash's question as to what brings me to FM. I think this is completely unrelated to the game at hand. He also self admits being hasty in reading the thread...Is he not seriously considering or analyzing the discussions?
Scum