Originally Posted by BananaCucho
This site sucks, I can't give rep to oops or renae again yet
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
Good, those should probably be taken down.
I can see why one would remove that,
but I can also see why they wouldn’t want to remove a statue of Robert E Lee.
Think about it for a sec. Statues of William the Conqueror, right? He is admired by many in the English speaking world. One thing most people don’t know is that he was ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL. It’s a bad example but my point is, people who put up statues of William the Conqeueror aren’t celebrating that aspect of him, but rather, he is a symbol of cultural height and Englishry. R E Lee is a symbol of patriotism and defending ones homeland, even if he was a slave owner. Do I think slavery s good? No, but I think it’s perfectly reasonable to admire a multi-faceted personality like that for some of their virtues.
Man you're still not acknowledging who organized this rally. This wasn't a rally organized by some conservative yet anti-nazi groups man. This rally wasn't promoted as such either. And no one at that rally was rejecting the nazis standing side by side with them. I don't get how you can blindly do that. And you're not flat out denying my point either. You're trying to spin it into "this wasn't a nazi rally" without actually saying the words.
How is this man not booed, hissed at and told to leave by everyone around him? Because they all support him. Because these people belong to white supremacist and white nationalist and nazi groups.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Yes do your research on who organized the rally and what went down there man. Because I will accept that maybe your view of this rally has been twisted by others who have spun the same talking points as you.
But if you do your research and somehow come back here saying the same things, man I dunno.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Eh i just read a little about him. He chastised Southerners for insulting freedmen after the war, but he was against granting blacks voting rights. He’s a complicated figure.
Okay I’ve read a little and I guess I was wrong. Actually watched a few videos and uh, yeah they were literally chanting ‘Jews will not replace us’. I think Trump made a mistake by not condemning them properly; he probably assumed as I did that some rallies there weren’t Nazi, though. I sincerely doubt Trump is a white supremacist.
Anyways, with regards to statues, I do think the statues shouldn’t be removed.
I would appreciate it though if you didn’t autonatically assume I was some kind of racist though... really none of the things I say are indicative of it. I have quite a few posts around discussing Nazism and eugenics, and I’d argue it’s oretty clear I’m not a nazi.
I never called you a nazi lol, but a nazi defender. Since you're able to go back and realize that the rally was actually a nazi/white supremacist rally (and I'll believe you that you didn't know that) I'll withdraw that statement. I don't want to assume these things about you of course, but as you can now see that rally was fucked up, so when I see someone defending the "good people" at that rally it riles me up.
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Originally Posted by BananaCucho
As far as Trump goes, there's a difference between a rando on the internet and the fucking president. He needs to be held to a higher standard. He's done a piss poor job distancing himself from white supremacy so he can't cry foul when he is labeled as such.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Did you guys know League of Legends is owned by the communist party of china
League of Legends is cancer so that wouldn't surprise me
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i'd say it baffles me when I see people that proudly wave the confederate flag declare themselves patriots, but it really doesn't when I consider how uninformed and for lack of a better phrase, fuckin' stupid these people are. As oops said, the confederacy was literally a traitor state that rebelled against the U.S. for the right to keep the institution of slavery. Another comparison would be if a Russian national started waving around the soviet flag and declared themselves a freedom fighter.
People in my state (Washington) wave the Stars & Bars, say somethin' about their heritage or what not, and hang their confederate flags on their trucks. Washington wasn't even a bloody state during the time of the civil war (and if it was it was too underdeveloped and removed from the conflict to have anything to do with it).
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Every company that wishes to do business in China must pledge to be not against communism.
Many companies are openly state-owned.
Some companies claim to not be state-owned, but the majority of shareholders are of the communist party, which make them effectively state-owned (huawei and xiaomi).
The world is an interconnected web, so one could also correctly claim that the NBA and Blizzard and EA are owned by China.
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League of Legends was bought by Tencent or something.
Right-wing liberalism and conservatism are inextricably linked, I mean, it's in the phrase.
As right is:
a grouping or political party favoring conservative views and supporting capitalist economic principles.
(https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/right)
I was trying to find out what exactly you meant by righ-wing liberalism, and it seems like your definition is different than that of other people. Wikipedia puts right-wing liberalism with conservative liberalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberalism) but Wikipedia also connects conservative liberalism with religious or philosophy grounding, in which it's supporters believe in man's common goodness as the warrant (warrant: the underlying reason "people" can agree upon) to expand social liberties... but you're not religious nor a philosophy student. Either way, I think most of this site is going to group you into the conservative pile because most of this site is very very liberal. Just don't count me in that group. smileyface
The media paints right wingers as immoral nazis because they want to.
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I'm sure being attacked on the internet for being a nazi and a troll takes it's toll of those with a strong mental disposition.
The flag is also known as the Stainless Banner, and the matter of the person behind its design remains a point of contention. On April 23, 1863, the Savannah Morning News editor William Tappan Thompson, with assistance from William Ross Postell, a Confederate blockade runner, published an editorial championing a design featuring the battle flag on a white background he referred to later as "The White Man's Flag."[6] In explaining the white background, Thompson wrote, "As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause."[1][2][3][4][7][8][9][10]
literally from wikipedia
it's ALL about racism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_...tes_of_America
the previous versions had white for white supremacy sdjflsdfsdf then they changed it cuz it looked like a surrender flag
we've had countless of these threads now and it's always the same people on the same sides. A person on 1 side might say "oh okay I guess I was wrong about that" and yet in the next thread they are still projecting the same opinion.
Rather than continuing to pointlessly do the one side vs. another thing, I'd like to shift the debate to: How can you actually get anybody on the "other side" to TAKE IN anything you have to say? What can be done to reduce the "us vs. them" mentality that is so rampant?
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
I don't know. But I know its possible. Some of my staunchly conservative family members that have previously said ridiculous things such as "blacks are the real racists" are now in agreement with BLM and some sort of police reform. And I'll I've ever done in the past is try to counter their arguments with data and sources. Since they never seem to have any lol.
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I've never reached that conclusion except with the occasional hillbilly in his Tonka Truck smoking meth. Anecdotes aside, I dont see it as an issue. How different is it than Antifa holding a sword and sickle flag? Who id add was a recognized nation. People have respect, animosity and some deep focus to regress to the past -- even if that past was not so great. This is seen in both left and right politics.
I think the focus on the past, racially, politically and hell, globally is what sets us back from creating any real progress that people hope to achieve. I'm aware of the quote, when we don't learn from our past -- yes whatever. But what do we get as a society, anywhere, when we do not get past it and redeem ourselves eventually? If I'm half white and black, does that make me half slave owner? Do I owe half the money in reperations? Do I get half the money, cut it even? Do I have half white privilege? Half white guilt? When does it fucking stop? This is an unwinnable war for everyone.
Its for these reasons that, its - difficult to come to a resolution. Because Racism, amongst others, is a complicated concept.
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But here's one solution:
Combat the issue directly. Find the foundation of the problem and do your best to eliminate it. Thats it. This is certainly (as to the credit of Rumox) an economical issue. But that's half of the story that perpetuates the media. Because its a problem within our communites that nobody feels warranted enough to talk about. And it should not be.
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And to elaborate, who am I as a human (or minority) to criticize you on your white priveledge? Why would I make the topic 'white vs everyone else?' That assumes I know every part of how extraordinary lucky (but omitting unlucky) you were and that I cannot attain it. Or rather that these are unattainable by minorities. It's flawed and its a demoralizing beacon. But now, we burn our history and our culture for what? To send a message that won't be recieved? How does this fix the issues of our communities? How does threatening the fabric of our safety of our children, family and friends fix these problems?
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If you're incapable of some satire, what I'm saying is there are a few racial constructs that I do not believe in. (Also my views do not represent sc2mafia in any way omegalul) But if people wanna bring this up and go half hearted on what the problem of racism is, where it stems from and how we can work together to fix it, the dialogue needs to be open.
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I've been biding my time tbh
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