S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread

[Light_Yagami]

@Marshmallow Marshall Id Appreciate You Input.

[Light_Yagami]

MASS CLAIM CHOO CHOO

He Said Choo Choo Obvious Scum In My Book... You Say Choo Choo I Kill You..

[theoneceko]

Disclaimer: I'm currently caught up to page 104, approximately three hours before day 1 ended.

I think Banana is the Jester King.

Secondpassing said Banana's massclaiming was anti-town, but the thought process behind it was pro-town. However, I think SP was viewing Banana's intentions through rose-colored glasses. I believe Banana was just trying to piss people off by pushing for a massclaim.

He's also tried to do this by shitposting during most of day 1. We've already seen the comments with zero meaning or value. There are also his poor responses to several well-written posts. Banana is capable of saying more than "Lies" or "Weak." Creating discussion through a massclaim, then casually dismissing thought-provoking comments is trolly and inflammatory.

I used to think Banana received a Veteran rolecard. However, I discarded that idea because a Veteran wouldn't try to get himself lynched on day 1. A veteran would breadcrumb that he's a TPR so scum would visit him.

Finally, I realize Banana vigorously defended himself in response to Sen's tunnel. However, I think Banana did this to live longer so he could keep trolling. Sometimes, we're just simple creatures with simple motives.

There's more reading for me to do before EOD, but for now...

-vote BananaCucho

I doubt my views on him will change by the time I catch up. Also, what's with the votes on Marshmallow? I know his defenses of Banana and one other player---probably Secondpassing or SuperJack---were odd. However, Marsh has been more sincere and upfront with his reads than last game.

[theoneceko]

However, Marsh has been more sincere and upfront with his reads than last game.

To clarify, Marsh asked lots of questions and scumread townies for weak and even false reasons during the last game. I still don't agree with his logic, but the cases he built on Light and Renegade are much more solid.

[theoneceko]

However, Marsh has been more sincere and upfront with his reads than last game.

During the previous game, Marsh asked lots of questions and scumread townies for weak and even false reasons. I don't agree with some of his arguments in this game either, but the cases he built on Light and Renegade are much more solid than what I expect from scum!Marshmallow.

[theoneceko]

However, Marsh has been more sincere and upfront with his reads than last game.

During the previous game, Marsh asked lots of questions and scumread town players for weak and even false reasons. I don't agree with some of his arguments in this game either, but the cases he built on Light and Renegade are much more solid than what I learned to expect from scum!Marshmallow.

[theoneceko]

WHAT THE FUCK. How did I submit three posts saying the same thing... I want to delete the first two. UwU

[Varcron]

Is It Possible To Be 2 Townie To Be Town? Im Legit Curious..

I think so, yeah.

[theoneceko]

Btw Banana I think you're fucking hilarious. Part of me wants to UWU spam with you. OwO

LYNCHFOR THE LYNCHGODS!!!!ovO. Uvu

UwUZEGLING!?!1OWOZEERLIGNE.

You're still anti-town though. To the gallows you go.uMu

[Varcron]

WHAT THE FUCK. How did I submit three posts saying the same thing... I want to delete the first two. UwU

You claimed sheriff and you also claimed to visit Ganelon.

Was he sinister or insane?

[secondpassing]

I'm not really voting him. Well I am. Trying to get him to claim.

[secondpassing]

You claimed sheriff and you also claimed to visit Ganelon.

Was he sinister or insane?

He said insane

[secondpassing]

You hear that Banana, they're still trying to policy.

[BananaCucho]

yo I'll hit you up for some heroes sometime

Are we b.net friends already? I usually play late, around now ish. Gonna play some warzone first

[BananaCucho]

He Said Choo Choo Obvious Scum In My Book... You Say Choo Choo I Kill You..

I choo choo choose you

[BananaCucho]

You hear that Banana, they're still trying to policy.

P O L I C Y

L Y N C H

Stop talking about it and do it already. Jesus.

[BananaCucho]

I didnt even bother reading Treeckos post

[BananaCucho]

The long one uwu

[BananaCucho]

Also if you still push that "700 posts and NONE of them have value" shit at this point you're going on perma ignore.

[BananaCucho]

Disclaimer: I'm currently caught up to page 104, approximately three hours before day 1 ended.

I think Banana is the Jester King.

Secondpassing said Banana's massclaiming was anti-town, but the thought process behind it was pro-town. However, I think SP was viewing Banana's intentions through rose-colored glasses. I believe Banana was just trying to piss people off by pushing for a massclaim.

He's also tried to do this by shitposting during most of day 1. We've already seen the comments with zero meaning or value. There are also his poor responses to several well-written posts. Banana is capable of saying more than "Lies" or "Weak." Creating discussion through a massclaim, then casually dismissing thought-provoking comments is trolly and inflammatory.

I used to think Banana received a Veteran rolecard. However, I discarded that idea because a Veteran wouldn't try to get himself lynched on day 1. A veteran would breadcrumb that he's a TPR so scum would visit him.

Finally, I realize Banana vigorously defended himself in response to Sen's tunnel. However, I think Banana did this to live longer so he could keep trolling. Sometimes, we're just simple creatures with simple motives.

There's more reading for me to do before EOD, but for now...

-vote BananaCucho

I doubt my views on him will change by the time I catch up. Also, what's with the votes on Marshmallow? I know his defenses of Banana and one other player---probably Secondpassing or SuperJack---were odd. However, Marsh has been more sincere and upfront with his reads than last game.

I finally read this

Lies.

Weak.

[Varcron]

I finally read this

Lies.

Weak.

Didn't I say something like that with you being Jester King? Not really likely in my eyes anymore.

[BananaCucho]

I wont vote Mallow purely because he actually sees me for my true self and wont PL me. Thanks no thanks

[Varcron]

He said insane

Okay, that checks out for now I guess.

[theoneceko]

Explanation of what's going on today with me:

I have feel detached the whole Day 1 (except maaaybe a bit when Banana went bananas with his massclaim but I wasn't online most part so I couldn't get much input) and that has made me not want to post. I, however, have been here the whole time reading you guys to have at least good reads and seeing things proceed accordingly. My townreads right now are MM and Sen. As always it's mainly gut and some posts that I annalyze and consider if a Scum or a Town would have written that post. MM and Sen have succesfully triggered that feeling inside me and therefore are in the townreads group.

Secondpassing is close to a town read but I suspect that's because I enjoy the way he communicates with us.

Ganelon is another one mainly because I like his townreads that appear to match mine. For a moment he said MM had some weird posts and I actually asked him what he was talking about and checked if he kept townreading him in order to switch him to a more null/scum read but he remained "solid" so he's good for now.

Basically anyone else is null. You guys are apparently starting to townread players the moment they start to write things which is understandable but not very accurate. I can guess you are also trying to get newer players to get into the flow. Anyway, this is mostly irrelevant, I only wanted to say that I'm not townreading players that suddenly provide good participation such as ceko or renegade.

Respecting SuperJack I kinda put him in the "SJ or Frinckles" post I did because even if I remember him talking I don't feel like he has done anything and hasn't given me any feels whether good ones or bad ones, but I somehow feel that's strange coming from SJ. I, however, asked him if he still didn't like D1 because I started to think he was also feeling not very good during D1.

Frinckles is just a massive ??? spot whose actions don't make sense. You'd expect certain reactions but in the end he kinda doesn't give a shit and keeps talking as if everything was in control. I honestly don't know how to understand that and it worries me. That's why I don't care about lynching Frinckles and relieving some of the paranoia (plus his avatar is fucking horrendous).

For the rest I truly have nothing to say besides yzb good posting (but that's usual).




What I was saying before respect things going accordingly is that no townread is getting lynched so I basically don't give a shit about what's happening right now. Even more considering I'm basically not engaging in anything interesting. And these last 24 hours have been even worse because I've slept only 3 hours (exam) and I'm basically complete shit + I get quite edgy and depressed when I have sleep deprivation. I SUSPECT this is the main cause of me being quite mad right now because I believe like I've not played this game yet and now Sen says he's gonna shoot me so yeah. No fun for me.

Anyway, finally. Marshmallow Marshall you asked me to explain myself more regarding ceko's statements about me. I already did and I suspect you don't remember / didn't read but:

What ceko said: Gyrlander - Suggests the no-lynch then disappears. He hasn't scumhunted either. OWO. Does he just want to distract town w setup discussion?? Hell, even Frinckles said Grrrrrrrr hates setup talk RenRen, there's more than one person popping in, stirring shit up, then popping back out. Grrrrrr's no-lynch stance comes from the last time he played this setup. However, I think he's using his previous experience as an excuse to distract from scumhunting. Highest scum read atm.

1. I didn't leave after suggesting the no-lynch. This game starts 2:45 AM and it was the start of the game so I basically mentioned what I had been thinking about before the game start in regards to the setup. I've been here this whole game reading all your garbage posts (not talking only to you ceko) so yeah.

2. I haven't scum hunt. Indeed, my scum hunt is pretty low or non-existent. However that's due because my playstyle solely remains in protecting players I consider towny. And you can check see that in almost any game (don't confuse with attacking people that push me or want me lynched / want my town reads lynched).

3. Distracting town with setup discussion. I'm sorry but I won't accept this, I consider the things that I've provided like the almost 100% assured existence of MANY MANY MANY more Lunatics that you thought there were (I posted the freaking first game) are quite valuable and if you think MY SETUP DISCUSSION WANTED TO DISTRACT THE TOWN WHEN WE HAVE HAD TONS OF GARBAGE AND SHIT POSTING TODAY..... you're wrong :3.

4. Frinckles was probably drunk cause I don't know what the hell he was talking about. I also can talk about setup discussion and have done the same in last hidden setup where I was talking about Efe being neutral so he MUST BE LYNCHED. So yeah no. kaboom. damn i feel good.

5. No, my no-lynch stance doesn't come from the last game experience and I'm not using my last game experience as an excuse to distract from scumhunting basically because:
a) The game happened 4 years ago and I was 16 years old. I was also HORRIBLY inactive back in that time so no. The only memory I have is me rolling Asylum Director last game. That's it.
b) I've already explained that I almost never scumhunt so I've no need TO FIND AN EXCUSE TO NOT SCUMHUNT.


Also, now that I've fully responded to this post I can easily say to all those of you that praised ceko on checking a lot of scummy things in me are BAD. And probably just wnated to pray ceko because he had the balls to return and do some shit besides OWOing, still that's not an excuse to fucking give him a free pass and say he's correct regarding me. Fuck you. I love you.

I understand your point about not scumhunting. Scumhunting can go overboard and is statistically least accurate on day 1. Even though you're playing like Frinckles and Renegade, who cared more about self-preservation than scumhunting, you gave a good reason for this behavior.

However, you shouldn't have skip-voted. Frinckles and Banana were clearly acting scummy, but you thought it was okay to let them both live. Cutting off loose ends (yzb's term?) is better than encouraging town to skip. I think Sen said votes are the town's most powerful weapon. I agree with this, since leads in this setup could come from lunatics. In the early game, the only confirmed roles and alignments town will get is from lynches and night kills.

Obviously, others have shitposted more than you, so your angry tone in point #3 is justified. You contributed in day 1, even though it was less than a lot of players. From my perspective, mech/setup talk on day 1 distracts from scumhunting and gives scum an opportunity to earn free townpoints.

I also think scum benefits more than town each night.

Anyways, there are other people to investigate like BC, SJ, and MM (scummiest on left and least scummy on right).

In the end, your coasting and weak scumhunting shouldn't go unnoticed. People should be called out for what I think is scum behavior and forced to defend it. Unwillingness to scumhunt after this will only hurt you, so you should start doing it.

[theoneceko]

I finally read this

Lies.

Weak.

Okay. Pretty sure NOT defending yourself is AI. Banana even wanted people to vote him over Pringles during EOD.

You're all reading too much into this. His actions are very risky from a town!Banana perspective, considering how close he was to getting lynched.

[BananaCucho]

Okay. Pretty sure NOT defending yourself is AI. Banana even wanted people to vote him over Pringles during EOD.

You're all reading too much into this. His actions are very risky from a town!Banana perspective, considering how close he was to getting lynched.

Nope.

[theoneceko]

I should reply to this too:

1. I never disappeared. Dunno what you talking about.
2. I find setup discussion quite relevant in this specific setup as it's quite weird.
3. Frinckles doesn't know shit.
4. I've been in a coasting way, I admit. However, it's not on purpose. I just don't feel engaged with the things that are happening.
5. My no-lynch stance doesn't come from the last time but analyzing the setup and deathworlds host meta.

1. You mostly quit posting after the setup talk.
2. However, that and the wallpost were your only contributions on day 1.
3. He's dead, so it doesn't matter.OwO
4. Already addressed
5. Okay, I believe you.

[theoneceko]

I understand your point about not scumhunting. Scumhunting can go overboard and is statistically least accurate on day 1. Even though you're playing like Frinckles and Renegade, who cared more about self-preservation than scumhunting, you gave a good reason for this behavior.

However, you shouldn't have skip-voted. Frinckles and Banana were clearly acting scummy, but you thought it was okay to let them both live. Cutting off loose ends (yzb's term?) is better than encouraging town to skip. I think Sen said votes are the town's most powerful weapon. I agree with this, since leads in this setup could come from lunatics. In the early game, the only confirmed roles and alignments town will get is from lynches and night kills.

Obviously, others have shitposted more than you, so your angry tone in point #3 is justified. You contributed in day 1, even though it was less than a lot of players. From my perspective, mech/setup talk on day 1 distracts from scumhunting and gives scum an opportunity to earn free townpoints.

I also think scum benefits more than town each night.

Anyways, there are other people to investigate like BC, SJ, and MM (scummiest on left and least scummy on right).

In the end, your coasting and weak scumhunting shouldn't go unnoticed. People should be called out for what I think is scum behavior and forced to defend it. Unwillingness to scumhunt after this will only hurt you, so you should start doing it.

One more thing to add. Your apathy makes sense too. 3 hours of sleep and you just finished an exam? LOL

Real life happensUwU

[theoneceko]

Free mech talk points here... discussion seems to have slowed down so why not UWU

What can scum do each night?
- Neutral killing roles can kill/mark
- Witches and Drug Dealers can find fellow Sinisters
- Cult Leader and Jester King can convert

Compare this to what town gains from each night:
- Doctors might heal scum or someone that doesn't get attacked
- Bodyguards might protect scum or someone that doesn't get attacked
- Escorts might be witched, and can only find Serial Killer or Mass Murderer? Still don't know who killed last night.
- Bus Drivers could make things more confusing
- Sheriffs might be Crazy and Investigators have 33% reliability
- An Asylum Director lead (only one each night...)

Scum have better investigative roles than town and have factions with confirmed members. Do you think scum benefit more than town each night? I think it depends on which roles are in Any Random... which we've no way of telling lol.

[theoneceko]

Free mech talk points here... discussion seems to have slowed down so why not UWU

What can scum do each night?
- Neutral killing roles can kill/mark
- Witches and Drug Dealers can find fellow Sinisters
- Cult Leader and Jester King can convert

Compare this to what town gains from each night:
- Doctors might heal scum or someone that doesn't get attacked
- Bodyguards might protect scum or someone that doesn't get attacked
- Escorts might be witched, and can only find Serial Killer or Mass Murderer? Still don't know who killed last night.
- Bus Drivers could make things more confusing
- Sheriffs might be Crazy and Investigators have 33% reliability
- An Asylum Director lead (only one each night...)

Scum have better investigative roles than town and have factions with confirmed members. Do you think scum benefit more than town each night? I think it depends on which roles are in Any Random... which we've no way of telling lol.

On second thought, I think in general scum have the advantage at night.

[theoneceko]

There's probably 4 or 5 scum... I think just 3 would be boring. Don't you @dethwOWOrlds??

[Ganelon]

If he’s Jester King, why not claim?
I don’t think I’d play this game the way Banana did if I were Jester King. I’d have to be supremely confident of my alignment to do that. No other file wants to get lynched lol.

[Ganelon]

I think Banana is a troll, but does that make him scum? I’d be prepared to die in that flag. I’m never lynching Banana this game, sorry. I think Banana is 100% town. He is quite literally bleeding town.

[Ganelon]

Also, we seem to have a propensity for choosing literally the worst trains possible.

[Ganelon]

-vote SuperJack

SJ was open wolfing today by hunting for the Vig. Nobody called him out on that. Wth

[Ganelon]

SJ is smart enough to know that Bananas play makes perfect sense if he’s doc. Troll so you don’t get nightkilled. It’s so simple...

[Ganelon]

Btw I think one Ceko is scum. Not sure what sort of scum. It’s safe to conclude that whatever role he has doesn’t give feedback

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Um, 500 more posts to read, hooray. @Light_Yagami if you need a quick reply, I'll need to know what you want me to reply to exactly, since I'm not caught up and it may take some time to catch up.

I think Banana is a troll, but does that make him scum? I’d be prepared to die in that flag. I’m never lynching Banana this game, sorry. I think Banana is 100% town. He is quite literally bleeding town.

@Ganelon Do you weigh your words here? I agree that he's towny, though.

Btw I think one Ceko is scum. Not sure what sort of scum. It’s safe to conclude that whatever role he has doesn’t give feedback

I'm not caught up and you seem to have mechanical reasons to think that, but I'd be quite surprised if he were scum, just based on behavioral reads. Then again, I'm not omniscient and may be wrong.

[Ganelon]

Nope, it’s mostly a gut feeling. I’m being 100% forthcoming here. Even though I’ve considered keeping my cards closer to my chest - but I’m too tired for that kind of thing rn.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why the fuck am I at L-3, and more importantly, why would Light be voting me? ...

[Ganelon]

And yeah rn I’m convinced Banana is town and nobody can change my mind about that. I’m never lynching Banana.

[Ganelon]

Banana reminds me so much of blinkskater that I can’t help but feel that this looks like one of blinks weird and crazy FPSes

[Ganelon]

Ohhhh I see what you meant with the mechanical part now. Nah, I just think that I’d hes scum his role doesn’t give feedback bc he wouldn’t have claimed to be sheriff otherwise.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yes, your train is definitely unstoppable. Your death approaches and salvation awaits.

I did not vote you because I wanted to PL you, I voted you because you wasted 3 seconds of my time clicking spoilers to see a bunny image. However, I don't mind you dying so my vote will stay on you AS LONG AS I SEE FIT.

Got it?

Lol... This behavior is both disappointing because "Well whoever dies today is ok with me", which is scummy when not explained, and just extremely funny. It's hard to scumread Gyrlander, but I'm beginning to believe it is necessary =(

[Gyrlander]

@BananaCucho Why didn't you vote Frinckles when you were about to get lynched. You would have had a chance to save yourself (in case Sen didn't switch his vote / I changed to you, etc.).

[Gyrlander]

Lol... This behavior is both disappointing because "Well whoever dies today is ok with me", which is scummy when not explained, and just extremely funny. It's hard to scumread Gyrlander, but I'm beginning to believe it is necessary =(

Er... I'm not happy with anyone getting lynched... Only people that aren't my townreads.

[Ganelon]

sorry Renegade I tried

[Marshmallow Marshall]

When did we agree this was a bad idea? Like, I'm cool spending the next 48 hours discussing whether or not Varcron is scum. I neither think ISOing Varcron is a good use of time, nor is it a good idea. The guy must have like the second or third or most posts this game and has been posting where basically only context would make his posts make sense. ISOing him is like rereading the thread. Second, he seems to be self-aware that he is scummy. Unlike Banana, who if town, made questionable plays, then backed up their plays and believed it was in town's best interest/because it's fun.

I think the real question to be asked is:
Were the scummy plays Varcron did scum motivated?

I questioned this in an earlier post. Answer is yes I think. I think both a town and a evil would think about how their post would impact the game. Varcron's careless posts reflect anxiety, and I think this anxiety stems from knowing that he is the scum of the earth, the trash to be thrown away. Compare this to Light's posts— his posts give me no reason to believe he could post more townlike. Light additionally has the two feedback confirmations. Now if those three were all on a team, well, we're screwed anyway.

The issue is that he always plays like this. He's definetly not someone we want to keep into the late game, however, because of the strong doubt about his alignment that is very hard to remove without mechanical evidence.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Er... I'm not happy with anyone getting lynched... Only people that aren't my townreads.

Fair... but you haven't explained much why they were scummy and why they should die.

[Ganelon]

@Varcron i hope you’re not taking this the wrong way. My town game is sometimes quite horrible so I know what it feels like (my scumgsme too). I sense that you’d do this as either alignment (but it would
msot probably affect your town game more than anything).