Learn to do right, seek justice, correct the oppressor, defend the fatherless, plead for the widow. That's fair... when it applies to the player being attacked, that is. I don't think it applies here. Also, if you're town, you should also evaluate what is pro-town and what isn't, am I mistaken?
Do you believe Renegade to be a good lynch?
Good morning SJ! Your thoughts on the hot takes of the moment (Renegade and Light)?
Light could be anything tbh. He can easily fake being annoyed so I wouldn't give it much thought.
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I don't think I can form many reads besides MM being Town tbh
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What is your point here?
Every post has to have an opinion? I am making a statement noting Superjeck's conflicting points directed at me compared to his earlier posts.
Not redirection, valid question from my point of view. Again, Superjack prods me with Jester King but he brought it up in the first place.
After banana cucho posted the same response 3x times, I figured the topic was dead.
Based on your current behavior, absolutely.
Yes.
Will follow up here.
Just like you fixate on me.
Damn right!
I disagree.
I have offered a lot more about the game as a whole than you have in addition to many others.
Okay
I'm not trying to sow distrust in town.
I strongly disagree with this sentiment.
Overly concerned? I'm concerned with town listening to you, lynching me, and seeing me flip town. Shouldn't anyone under scrutiny be concerned with their self preservation, especially if they are town?
If I get lynched over someone who has barely contributed anything like oneceko this whole game (posted fewer than 20 posts) then it just confirms all of the worst of both forum mafia and its players in general.
It will be sad when I flip town. Are you asking me for a role claim, second passing? Or just total absolute fixation that no matter what I say now nothing would shift your bloodthirsty desire to lynch me?
I partially recind what I said about Frinckles yesterday. His role isn't as provable as once thought if the dude can literally claim for 3 days straight that the people he's checking happened not to be lunatics.
Renegade, you're basically saying "no, no, no, no, yes you're dumb, no, no, no, not true" in the whole wall of replies. It's not exactly useful or proving anything. There's one thing in the replies that is interesting, though.
A statement-attack without taking a stance is more or less the low-scale definition of IIOA (Information Instead Of Analysis), the fancy name of what is generally considered as a scumtell by most FM communities. Why is it scummy? Because anyone can put "facts" without saying things about them, it's easy and doesn't make things move forward, yet look like contributive posts. Now, saying that you are guilty of this on a large scale would be a stretch, but the specific post falls into that category.Originally Posted by Renegade
Self-preservation is naturally good for everyone, indeed. What is unhealthy and/or scummy is when all or most of your actions aim to keep yourself alive instead of aiming to kill scum. I would say you are guilty of that.
Insulting every player in the game is not going to get you anywhere.
That being said, I'd like @theoneceko 's thoughts too, especially his reads on Renegade, Light, and perhaps on Sen. I'm aware that he's voting Renegade, but I'd like to know why exactly.
"It will be sad when I flip town. Are you asking me for a role claim, secondpassing?" Um, you're at L-5 at half D1. You may be slightly overreacting :P
And the classic "oop I guess my rolecard was fake guys I wasn't lying" defense also gives the role claimants another out.
Right now, I'm interested in lynching BC or Frinckles if we lynch a current claimant, and outside of the claimant pool I'm leaning SJ/Renegade
Votes on yzb25 are still attempting to get a roleclaim, I presume.
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Lynching SJ on D1 is 1: rude, since he just got back; 2: bad, because he's towny from the spotlight he put himself in with his no lynch stuff and because I just have that feeling; 3: not a priority, because he's not one of the filthy not towny AFKs.
Also, I might have missed roleclaims and am trying to find them in the thread... can you enlighten me on that topic please?
We've had the following 4 roleclaims thus far:
The1Ceko - Sheriff
Varcron - Bodyguard
Bananacucho - Doctor
Frinckles - Asylum Counsellor
Ah, so you're still a little behind. No worries then, I was wondering why you didn't comment on this earlier lol.
Also, you're giving SJ wayyy too much credit for his game too far. People are going to be thinking about ways to not look like a neutral evil, and getting into a stupid no-lynch argument is a bait asf way to do that. We've had a million scum players who make their day 1 about questioning the foundations of an FM game to get "spotlight" townpoints and "bravery" townpoints. You're giving it way too much credit.
Ugh, this isn't even worth arguing about. I'm not sure if he's even top 3 on my preferred lynch list anyway. I'd rather prod Renegade.
Voting Renegade will just give him more excuses to never give any thoughts on anything else but his train ever. So instead...
@renegade pls give thoughts on the people who claimed as one of them is likely to be lynched.
dunno for me the only towny people are MM and Sen.
Mms question about the neutral brought to mind the fact that scum could potentially want to verify their own roles/give fake feedback to TPRs on d1. And ofc recruit them. I’m not certain if the latter is a possibility but it would make this day quite something to look at
ugh fuck I’m being nonsensical again, I don’t know what I want to say, this is so annoying.
Btw I think yzb is also towny af for refusing to claim his role. I think that from his perspective that makes a lot of sense and he gets a lot of town points from me
-vote Light_Yagami
lights thoughts are difficult to impossible to follow this game: this implies he scum, as I can usually follow his train of thoughts when he’s town; I think he’s not a bad town player but he really needs to work on his presentation especially as scum lmao
and I think stuff like ‘you must be SK’ is the kind of response I’d expect from him if he were scum.
Also, hi AIVION
Btw potential point in Lights favour. He outed two scum last game but complained about his lack of tact and admitted he didn’t now how to convince people of his viewpoints. He started out pretty aggressive this game and I believe that may be because light doesn’t usually put scum so cleanly... so I think that made him more confident of his own abilities and therefore more aggressive (at the start of the game).
feel free to shoot down this potentially worthless idea
Anyyone forcing claims out are utter dog poop.
Anyone claiming their role are just as bad.
It's D1 in a setup where roles are extremely difficult to confirm, extremely easy to fake claim. The only benefit to any role claim today is for scum.
Thinking of using the roleclaims for working out the setup? Well the 5 any random and insanity modifiers make that useless.
My roleclaim today is a fuck you I ain't saying shit.
Banana should have the brain cells to realise that a roleclaim is anti-town.
Banana should die.
I got the impression Frinckles and BC cynically followed along with the process knowing if it got to them they'd just claim a really difficult role to lynch (i.e. counsellor or doctor). Neither of them behaved like their roles, given how fervent they were about getting a mass claim out.
I take the other 2 claims much more seriously.
Yeah I think I’m lynching Light today, if were lynching anyone.
I think Light is scum.
I guess Ganelon joins my town reads as he has the same as me.
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The reason I lean BC over Frinckles is making this sort of play seems like BC's nature. Even lying about what rolecard he has. I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually citizen or something and made the doctor claim to avoid getting lynched. I view what Frinckles did through a much more cynical lens. Frinckles has revealed he's counsellor now, so why has he continued to hang back? Why isn't he acting like town leader now? Frinckles' play has been very slimy and opportunistic.
This is based on meta that has been confirmed by others before (like Rumox). Lights train do thoughts is significantly easier to follow when he is town. That is not the case this game.
Oh yah the idea of fake-claiming as TPR and forcing everyone else to out is something I was considering doing last game (before I got nightkilled on n1). Big poop of an idea and pretty selfish tbh
train of thoughts*
fuck phone typing.
I am hesitant of course to suggest lynching the asylum director claim.
I think Banana and Oneceko have the weakest claims. Banana's behavior has been odd and buddying up to people only to use that later (in his favor) is something I am absolutely concerned about.
Oneceko still has contributed nothing of value but a role claim, and so is a top lynch target for me.
Spoiler : Fuck Quoting WallPosts :
I think that's not AI for Renegade unfortunately....
My Reason For Saiyan MM Is SK Is Because Im Pulling Roles Out Of The Setup And Trying In My Mind To Figure Out What Roles Are The Most Logical. I Gave My Thoughts Im Not Saiyan Them Again.
My Original Intent Was To Have Almost Every Thing I Say This Game Be A Meme Or A Gif.. Till I Realized There Was A Rule I Over Looked About It.. That Killed My Fun For This Game By 90%
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I Mean This Game Is Called Insanity.. But Even The Insane Use Some Kind Of Logic Behind Their Thought Process Even If It Is Flawed Logic. I Think There Has To Be A Killing Role On The Bad Guys Side/Perhaps One Of The Any Random Slots. I Also Believe That There Is A Strong Possibility Of Both A Cult Leader And The Jester King.. Jester King Mainly Because This Game Is As I Said Before Called Insanity.