S-FM 298: Third Line Butterfly

[Frinckles]

(๑´ڡ`๑) No this isn't a dream. (๑´ڡ`๑)

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Name	Status	Role	ISO
Renegade	Alive	?	ISO
Deathworlds	Alive	?	ISO
Light_Yagami	Alive	?	ISO
Varcron	Alive	?	ISO
Marshall Marshmallow	Alive	?	ISO
Ceko	Alive	?	ISO
Ganelon	Alive	?	ISO
Bananacucho	Alive	?	ISO
Revenant	Alive	?	ISO
DS.	Alive	?	ISO

Minimum 15 posts per day.

Game starts at 7:00 PM CST. GLHF.

Setup Link: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...utterfly-(10P)

[Frinckles]

Locking until game begins.

[Frinckles]

@Marshmallow Marshall
@BananaCucho
@deathworlds
@Varcron
@renegade
@Revenant
@Ganelon
@DS.
@Light_Yagami
@theoneceko

I'm actually going to start night zero now. Send your night actions to me via PM or discord if you have one.

[Frinckles]

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

[Frinckles]

Day 1

6 votes to hammer.

The ISO links provided in the OP will be filled as people post for your convenience.

Goodluck and have fun. This setup was crafted with love, and some hate.

Thanks for joining!

Hope you read the damn setup.

Day one ends Wednesday at 7:00 PM CST

[Frinckles]

NOW it's open. :P

[Ganelon]

I hardclaim Godfather.
Any counterclaims?

[Ganelon]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Statistically, MAFIA

[Revenant]

I hardclaim Godfather.
Any counterclaims?

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Statistically, MAFIA

UGH
Why take up two posts?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

UGH
Why take up two posts?

Why take up a lot of posts to say... nothing? No suspicions, not even a random vote...

-vote Revenant

Thou shalt contribute efficiently, or thou shalt perish. Thou art not a noob, so do not act like you have no idea of what has to be done. You've showed, at least to me, that you were able to contribute more than minimally as Caustic, so please go beyond what you posted until now.
Roleplay should not go in the way of efficiency or contribution, as the BioMed game showed. Most effective players, and most contributive players roleplayed, and it did not stop the "mrrrpht" guy from winning and shining because of it. Follow his good example, minus the part of being scum! :P

[deathworlds]

I just started watching Death Note for the first time

-vote Light_Yagami

This guy is BAD news.

[BananaCucho]

I just started watching Death Note for the first time

-vote Light_Yagami

This guy is BAD news.

Light did nothing wrong

Btw great to play with you again

[deathworlds]

Also hello everyone! It's good to be back and to be playing again!

[Ganelon]

Hello there and welcome back to the site
this is definitely one of the high points in the sites history

[deathworlds]

I'm curious to see how the meta has changed throughout the years I've been absent. There's a lot of unfamiliar faces here.

Hello there and welcome back to the site
this is definitely one of the high points in the sites history

What makes you say that?

[Ganelon]

I'm curious to see how the meta has changed throughout the years I've been absent. There's a lot of unfamiliar faces here.




What makes you say that?

people who used to play ages back have started coming back, secondly we’ve had the first major update to the game in nearly 6 years
lastly, new management

[Ganelon]

Still, MM is mafia.
hes always scum

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

Statistically, MAFIA

Still, MM is mafia.
hes always scum

No u, godfather

-vote Ganelon

Hello there and welcome back to the site
this is definitely one of the high points in the sites history

Agreed, for many reasons. WE WILL RESTORE THE SOVIET UNIO-- I MEAN SC2 MAFIA'S GLORY!!! And yes, welcome back to the wonderful world of FM ^^


Now to the essential matters : Nobody loves me =( if anyone was loved on N0, as Deathworlds said, they ought to say it, though.

Also, did noone die N0, @Frinckles ? Unless my memory fails me, there is a N0 kill in this setup and that was left unchanged, right? If so, there might've been a successful heal from the Nurse. Also, can we have a link to the setup in the OP, please?

@deathworlds why we should say who we would love as heartbreaker? Either way, I'd target Ganelon.

[deathworlds]

No u, godfather

-vote Ganelon

Agreed, for many reasons. WE WILL RESTORE THE SOVIET UNIO-- I MEAN SC2 MAFIA'S GLORY!!! And yes, welcome back to the wonderful world of FM ^^


Now to the essential matters : Nobody loves me =( if anyone was loved on N0, as Deathworlds said, they ought to say it, though.

Also, did noone die N0, @Frinckles ? Unless my memory fails me, there is a N0 kill in this setup and that was left unchanged, right? If so, there might've been a successful heal from the Nurse. Also, can we have a link to the setup in the OP, please?

@deathworlds why we should say who we would love as heartbreaker? Either way, I'd target Ganelon.

MM already claimed to not be loved, I even bolded/white texted it for you so it's easier to see.

[Varcron]

MM already claimed to not be loved, I even bolded/white texted it for you so it's easier to see.

I didn't see that, sorry for blowing up the chat for no reason.

[DS.]

Hi, my name is DS and nobody loves me

[Varcron]

Hi, my name is DS and nobody loves me

RIP

[BananaCucho]

Hi, my name is DS and nobody loves me

Hi DS, I'm banana, and I like to party

[Revenant]

Like, hear me out for a second


MM has been gone most of the day, and everyone but him as been speaking at least a fair bit to make sure they arn't the lover of heartbreaker

MM is now a variable because he has made no such claim yet.

MM already claimed to not be loved, I even bolded/white texted it for you so it's easier to see.

Once Again, Deathworlds does Work!

Varcron I see you in the shadows. Time for you to see what Fear looks like.

-vote Varcron

[Varcron]

Once Again, Deathworlds does Work!

Varcron I see you in the shadows. Time for you to see what Fear looks like.

-vote Varcron

Lol, he does a lot more work than you have

I'm not even going to thunderdome you because there is nothing that you've posted that has enough substance to thunderdome.

[DS.]

Once Again, Deathworlds does Work!

Varcron I see you in the shadows. Time for you to see what Fear looks like.

-vote Varcron

Not a fan of minimizing the font size of votes. This is bad play, please discontinue

[Ganelon]

I literally know this bc I am his godfather

[Revenant]

I literally know this bc I am his godfather

HOW MANY GODFATHERS ARE THERE?

[DS.]

I literally know this bc I am his godfather

I'm inclined to just vote here honestly

[Revenant]

I'm inclined to just vote here honestly

YOU WILL ONLY VOTE SCUM!

[Renegade]

never heard of death note, is it goofy?

[Ganelon]

never heard of death note, is it goofy?

Guy kills people by writing their names in his notebook

[BananaCucho]

never heard of death note, is it goofy?

If you're into intense potato chip eating scenes then I highly recommend it

[Varcron]

Woah look at this.

[deathworlds]

I think what is of great interest is who the scum targeted last night, specifically the Heartbreaker.
Taken directly from the setup page:

Heartbreaker: You are a Heartbreaker, on the first night you may choose to target another player. If you are lynched, they will die. If they die you are unaffected. You may choose to not use your ability. You may only do this the first night.

You may only do this the first night.

I think it might be worth speculating who this target was, presumably mafia had the chance to discuss this N0, and who they targeted may be deduced.

[Varcron]

I think what is of great interest is who the scum targeted last night, specifically the Heartbreaker.
Taken directly from the setup page:




I think it might be worth speculating who this target was, presumably mafia had the chance to discuss this N0, and who they targeted may be deduced.

It'd make sense for the stronger players to be targeted assuming that they weren't chosen as mafia in this particular setup. For example MM or probably you seeing as you are a really old player. It'd be a strategically bad play to push for mislynches on anyone this game, as if we lynch the heartbreaker we also potentially lynch a strong town asset with them.

[deathworlds]

It'd make sense for the stronger players to be targeted assuming that they weren't chosen as mafia in this particular setup. For example MM or probably you seeing as you are a really old player. It'd be a strategically bad play to push for mislynches on anyone this game, as if we lynch the heartbreaker we also potentially lynch a strong town asset with them.

But that's only on the surface level, if we kill the heartbreaker, then a person that they targeted (someone who is town, as it makes no sense to not choose anyone or to choose mafia given the effects) dies.
Is it advantageous to think about who the heartbreaker targeted? Perhaps, because it gives us some insight into the psyche of the players making up the scum team.

Presume that your theory is correct, that the heartbreaker targeted a stronger player. Let's run the assumption that there are three players that one could consider "strong" in this particular setup.
Statistically, at least one of those "stronger" players would be mafia, right? Well it should be the goal of the mafia to eliminate the other strong players so that their strong player can "lead" town to a demise, correct? So why would they waste their heartbreaker on one of the "stronger" players when they would attempt to kill them at night? Well the mafia is also looking to eliminate the TPR's, with maybe the exception of the Oracle.

The mafia knows who's a "Stronger" player and who's not, but they don't know who is a TPR unless the Actress got a lucky hit, but even then, they wouldn't be able to receive the information from the Actress and then use the heartbreaker, because the heartbreaker can only use their ability N0. So it's safer to use the heartbreaker for meta reasons.

It's entirely possible that the mafia targeted one of the "stronger" players, and they plan on killing another "stronger" player this night, if the mafia kills one stronger player, and avoids targeting another, wouldn't that make it obvious that the last stronger player be mafia?

[Varcron]

But that's only on the surface level, if we kill the heartbreaker, then a person that they targeted (someone who is town, as it makes no sense to not choose anyone or to choose mafia given the effects) dies.
Is it advantageous to think about who the heartbreaker targeted? Perhaps, because it gives us some insight into the psyche of the players making up the scum team.

Presume that your theory is correct, that the heartbreaker targeted a stronger player. Let's run the assumption that there are three players that one could consider "strong" in this particular setup.
Statistically, at least one of those "stronger" players would be mafia, right? Well it should be the goal of the mafia to eliminate the other strong players so that their strong player can "lead" town to a demise, correct? So why would they waste their heartbreaker on one of the "stronger" players when they would attempt to kill them at night? Well the mafia is also looking to eliminate the TPR's, with maybe the exception of the Oracle.

The mafia knows who's a "Stronger" player and who's not, but they don't know who is a TPR unless the Actress got a lucky hit, but even then, they wouldn't be able to receive the information from the Actress and then use the heartbreaker, because the heartbreaker can only use their ability N0. So it's safer to use the heartbreaker for meta reasons.

It's entirely possible that the mafia targeted one of the "stronger" players, and they plan on killing another "stronger" player this night, if the mafia kills one stronger player, and avoids targeting another, wouldn't that make it obvious that the last stronger player be mafia?

It'd lead to two possibilities, one of which means that the stronger player is mafia

The other means that the stronger player has been targetted by heartbreaker, with a 50% probability of each.

[DS.]

But that's only on the surface level, if we kill the heartbreaker, then a person that they targeted (someone who is town, as it makes no sense to not choose anyone or to choose mafia given the effects) dies.
Is it advantageous to think about who the heartbreaker targeted? Perhaps, because it gives us some insight into the psyche of the players making up the scum team.

Presume that your theory is correct, that the heartbreaker targeted a stronger player. Let's run the assumption that there are three players that one could consider "strong" in this particular setup.
Statistically, at least one of those "stronger" players would be mafia, right? Well it should be the goal of the mafia to eliminate the other strong players so that their strong player can "lead" town to a demise, correct? So why would they waste their heartbreaker on one of the "stronger" players when they would attempt to kill them at night? Well the mafia is also looking to eliminate the TPR's, with maybe the exception of the Oracle.

The mafia knows who's a "Stronger" player and who's not, but they don't know who is a TPR unless the Actress got a lucky hit, but even then, they wouldn't be able to receive the information from the Actress and then use the heartbreaker, because the heartbreaker can only use their ability N0. So it's safer to use the heartbreaker for meta reasons.

It's entirely possible that the mafia targeted one of the "stronger" players, and they plan on killing another "stronger" player this night, if the mafia kills one stronger player, and avoids targeting another, wouldn't that make it obvious that the last stronger player be mafia?

This was a long post that didn't end in a nut. #blueballs

[Marshmallow Marshall]

It'd make sense for the stronger players to be targeted assuming that they weren't chosen as mafia in this particular setup. For example MM or probably you seeing as you are a really old player. It'd be a strategically bad play to push for mislynches on anyone this game, as if we lynch the heartbreaker we also potentially lynch a strong town asset with them.

What? From which perspective is that supposed to be? @Varcron
This kind of reasoning is often wrong, but that sentence looks like a scum slip...

[theoneceko]

What? From which perspective is that supposed to be? @Varcron
This kind of reasoning is often wrong, but that sentence looks like a scum slip...

As mafia teammate with @Varcron , I see nothing wrong with that sentence.

Actually, yes I do. That does seem like a good strategy, but @Varcron may be using that to influence how town votes!!! *angerry noises*

[Marshmallow Marshall]

As mafia teammate with @Varcron , I see nothing wrong with that sentence.

Actually, yes I do. That does seem like a good strategy, but @Varcron may be using that to influence how town votes!!! *angerry noises*

UwU? What about your real thoughts, though?

[Varcron]

As mafia teammate with @Varcron , I see nothing wrong with that sentence.

Actually, yes I do. That does seem like a good strategy, but @Varcron may be using that to influence how town votes!!! *angerry noises*

Y'all are going more theoretical on this than I typically do, and I don't like it at all.

[Varcron]

What? From which perspective is that supposed to be? @Varcron
This kind of reasoning is often wrong, but that sentence looks like a scum slip...

From the perspective of town, if we somehow lynch heartbreaker instantly, we also automatically lose a town member no matter what. That isn't a scum slip, that's me telling you a fact. If we lynch heartbreaker right away, we lose a townie with him/her

[Marshmallow Marshall]

From the perspective of town, if we somehow lynch heartbreaker instantly, we also automatically lose a town member no matter what. That isn't a scum slip, that's me telling you a fact. If we lynch heartbreaker right away, we lose a townie with him/her

Oh sorry, I had missed this, not waiting on your reply anymore lol.

You said that, and I'm quoting you, "it would be a strategically bad play to push for mislynches on anyone this game"... How does that relate to heartbreaker? Also, are you saying that we should fear lynching the Heartbreaker because it kills a townie? Lynching scum is good no matter what, it's just a bit less good in the event Heartbreaker actually loved someone.

[BananaCucho]

I think what is of great interest is who the scum targeted last night, specifically the Heartbreaker.
Taken directly from the setup page:




I think it might be worth speculating who this target was, presumably mafia had the chance to discuss this N0, and who they targeted may be deduced.

....what is with this site's obsession with lynch vests? At least with this one we'll know to turbolynch the surviving player the next day

And Efe didn't sign lol

[DS.]

Is n0 the first night or is n1 the first night? 🤔

[theoneceko]

Is n0 the first night or is n1 the first night? 🤔

Pretty sure n0 is the first night. Basically n0 is the night before this day (last night), when mafia chose who to heartbreak.

[deathworlds]

I'm afraid I do not know enough about each of you to tell who this target may have been, after all, I've only witnessed the last game played as of late.

I have this question to ask everyone.

If you were the Heartbreaker, who would you have targeted?

[theoneceko]

I'm afraid I do not know enough about each of you to tell who this target may have been, after all, I've only witnessed the last game played as of late.

I have this question to ask everyone.

If you were the Heartbreaker, who would you have targeted?

You!! UwU.

FUCKETH ME IN THE ASS OWO.