S-FM 297: BioMed Industries (Coronavirus Version) - Ladder Game

[S-FM pringles]

So something as a false sense of security, got it.

What do you want me to say? That I'm 100% right? Obviously my reads may be wrong, so I'm giving you what you want, I'll consider that I may be.

Can you explain this now?

Explain to me your read on me. You scum read me early day 1 and then said you town read me right near the end. So I want to see where your head is, especially given your approach to attacking my town core.

And your evolution and/or any tests you've been employing

Let me in

[S-FM pringles]

Going to address these interactions between HRE and me.

Episode 1:

HRE's opening D2 post, provided for convenience:



















No response after this.

Episode 2:

Jumping off post from krabby after Quetz (I think?) townreads HRE and I ask why:









No response after this either.

The overall interactions and case against me are a whole bunch of nothing, and HRE can't (or refuses to) offer a response or rebuttal to my own replies. I could see giving a pass for thinking that I replied because I somehow thought the opening post involved me (no idea how though since I'm never even mentioned) but the fact that the tunnel persists even after I've clarified the situation is just confusing.

Either you're in a crappy tunnel, have latched onto pringles' core, or just want to get me lynched. Kindly elaborate.

Do you have reads on anyone else?

[S-FM MMXX]

Can you explain further? I do not necessarily share Pringles' town core, I make my own reads with my own knowledge and my own wit. Pringles himself is someone I am looking at closely, although he's gaining townpoints in my book. I am ready to reconsider you, for I am a merciful and benevolent being. However, as you said, you are a normie, and this is a huge weakness in this game if you are town.

MMXX, you say that Krabby's posts "are shit", and yet the post I just quoted is better than all of your recent posts combined.
For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Those Christian folks may be foolish unbelievers, but their book is nice. You get serious scumpoints.

Let me put together the string of posts I was referring to, one second.

[S-FM pringles]

Do you have reads on anyone else?

That post seemed longer than it actually was

[S-FM pringles]

Oh I can accept that, I just can't accept how often you've been breathing down my neck since you joined this discussion



You haven't even developed a proper case on anyone yet, at this point you're scum hunting on the verge of wolfing, so for now I can town read you.



Here's the first thing I do not like about what you've said here, this reeks of scum, but you have been scum hunting so it's 50/50 right now.



You haven't really said anything of use other than to get your post count up, so no, you arn't a town hero at all; at least you're making discussion though.

My town list so far as of D1

Pringles
Blueberry (he's making some decent discussion)

My so so reads
Mireska
Hammond

I know some of you will have objections to this, I honestly was just testing the waters at the beginning of D1

which some of you clearly didn't take kindly to.

@Krabs

Specifically this is what I want you to explain. How you tested the waters, where your head was at. Whats your read on me?

[S-FM MMXX]

You haven't given us any info at all, and yet you still think you are part of the town core. I am an easy lynch at this point, and I accept that.

-vote IceCreamFan

Your speech has been watery at best, without clear evidence at all.

I am accusing you of being the scientist, dodging as much as you can and speaking enough to not get noticed by people up until now.

So reverse psychology? I think I understand your train of thought with that.

I agree, it is not a worthwhile choice to impersonate him with how he types, but we could get caught off guard.

-unvote

I'm satisfied with him for now.

I really dislike this sequence of posts. Plus context with IceCream's posts.

[S-FM krabby person]

What do you want me to say? That I'm 100% right? Obviously my reads may be wrong, so I'm giving you what you want, I'll consider that I may be.

Can you explain this now?

Okay, so here's my reasoning behind that and bear with me for a second.

I dislike the concept of having a town core especially with a disguiser, it makes me feel incredibly uneasy knowing that we could all be getting manipulated potentially by you or HRE or Que whatever his name is. I've been reading through most of the posts that hold any substance and analyzing from their point of view, then running it through and seeing how their methods change over time. For example, your methods have changed from leading the charge, to sheeping to get what lynch you want, to now questioning me.

[S-FM krabby person]

I really dislike this sequence of posts. Plus context with IceCream's posts.

Why do you dislike it? Make your case and give me something to work with at least.

[S-FM pringles]

I dont want to hear any more complaints of "you guys only wanna lynch between 3 names and its wrong" without an alternative shortlist of 2-3 names that you'd replace them with

Quit being contrarian for the sake of being contrarians. Give us your scum reads

[S-FM krabby person]

@Krabs

Specifically this is what I want you to explain. How you tested the waters, where your head was at. Whats your read on me?

My read on you specifically at EOD1 was how you contributed so positively to the discussion the entire day, there was not a singular doubt in my mind whether you were town or not. In terms of Hammond and Mireska, I saw that Hammond was already tunneling in in a fairly unhealthy manner, and Mireska didn't really have much substance for a chunk of D1

[S-FM pringles]

Okay, so here's my reasoning behind that and bear with me for a second.

I dislike the concept of having a town core especially with a disguiser, it makes me feel incredibly uneasy knowing that we could all be getting manipulated potentially by you or HRE or Que whatever his name is. I've been reading through most of the posts that hold any substance and analyzing from their point of view, then running it through and seeing how their methods change over time. For example, your methods have changed from leading the charge, to sheeping to get what lynch you want, to now questioning me.

You realize why I'm questioning you right? That I'm trying to pull 3 VOTES off of what I see as a likely mislynch onto one of two other targets? I'm trying to help you here.

[S-FM Quetzalcoatl]

As a whole there are a few preachers of the town core that give off some pretty bad vibes for me, for example:

There is no town core in this game, there is a disguiser AND a scientist, both of which I believe are in that core currently just vibing knowing that we're all tunneled in on myself, MM, and Icecream.

Pretty hard to do that when our arguements are disregarded, don't you think?

I agree, and I honestly think if everyone looked at the bigger picture instead of a few people on a chopping block, we'd find it, another example:

Okay, understandable, but here is where things get a bit shady.

Blatant teaming, almost to where I'd consider pringles sheeping just to push his own lynch agenda.

I just ask one thing from everyone. Look at the bigger picture before we allow the scientist sit comfortably while we mislynch not only myself, but probably MM or Ice.

Welcome to the non-sciencist core's (what everyone else calls a town core) periphery. I heavily advise everyone to unvote Mr. Krabs.

-vote S-FM MMXX

I still have an eye on Hammond, but I can't find anything that is logically wrong with him. It's mostly his tone and his lack of obviously towny actions that bother me. I do like and appreciate that you are not trying to scumpaint him, but to point out what might be incomplete or wrong in his reasoning.

You agree with the foolish idea that finding the Infected Employee actually matters? If so, I am disappointed. Or did I misunderstand your "I agree"?

The problem with not lynching the liabilities early on is that when we will be at MYLO, we will either have a lot of choices in our PoE, and a lot of them will be townies, or even worse, the Sciencist will never be lynched because he is one of the supposed liabilities. You have managed to stop being one in my eyes, congratulations. It is not the case of MMXX and of Icecream, especially the former.

And yes, as always, look far and wide. That however does not mean that we cannot look at someone and believe he is town (non-sciencist at least); be careful not to forget that important aspect of the game.

[S-FM krabby person]

I dont want to hear any more complaints of "you guys only wanna lynch between 3 names and its wrong" without an alternative shortlist of 2-3 names that you'd replace them with

Quit being contrarian for the sake of being contrarians. Give us your scum reads

My scumreads?

MMXX

There is literally no body to 90% of his posts, it's like having watery soup with no flavor. He has evaded most arguments without hammering home his points.

[S-FM pringles]

My read on you specifically at EOD1 was how you contributed so positively to the discussion the entire day, there was not a singular doubt in my mind whether you were town or not. In terms of Hammond and Mireska, I saw that Hammond was already tunneling in in a fairly unhealthy manner, and Mireska didn't really have much substance for a chunk of D1

This is a bit odd as my strategy day 1 was to just be spammy and trolly, and poke a little fun at a certain individual in a playful way

But I can see your thought process at least which helps

[S-FM krabby person]

Welcome to the non-sciencist core's (what everyone else calls a town core) periphery. I heavily advise everyone to unvote Mr. Krabs.

-vote S-FM MMXX

I still have an eye on Hammond, but I can't find anything that is logically wrong with him. It's mostly his tone and his lack of obviously towny actions that bother me. I do like and appreciate that you are not trying to scumpaint him, but to point out what might be incomplete or wrong in his reasoning.

You agree with the foolish idea that finding the Infected Employee actually matters? If so, I am disappointed. Or did I misunderstand your "I agree"?

The problem with not lynching the liabilities early on is that when we will be at MYLO, we will either have a lot of choices in our PoE, and a lot of them will be townies, or even worse, the Sciencist will never be lynched because he is one of the supposed liabilities. You have managed to stop being one in my eyes, congratulations. It is not the case of MMXX and of Icecream, especially the former.

And yes, as always, look far and wide. That however does not mean that we cannot look at someone and believe he is town (non-sciencist at least); be careful not to forget that important aspect of the game.

Originally I thought it mattered, I wasn't in that post thinking of the Employee at all, we have to deal with the scientist first.

-vote S-FM MMXX

[S-FM pringles]

I really dislike this sequence of posts. Plus context with IceCream's posts.

Why though

[S-FM MMXX]

You haven't given us any info at all, and yet you still think you are part of the town core. I am an easy lynch at this point, and I accept that.

-vote IceCreamFan

Your speech has been watery at best, without clear evidence at all.

I am accusing you of being the scientist, dodging as much as you can and speaking enough to not get noticed by people up until now.

So reverse psychology? I think I understand your train of thought with that.

I agree, it is not a worthwhile choice to impersonate him with how he types, but we could get caught off guard.

Why do you dislike it? Make your case and give me something to work with at least.

It's hard to put into words. A lot of little things. Some that pop into my mind are:

1) Why are you an easy lynch and why do you accept it?
2) Saying that IceCreamFan's speech is "watery" and "without clear evidence" is... generous. A very non-committal phrasing
3) Why would scientist ever "dodge...etc." and then stop "now", it assumes a very low standard much like pringles' scum-coast theory
4) You acquiesce very quickly to what I consider a pretty crappy argument
5) Argument about not lynching only works if you accept the premise of confirmed town

Seem to have missed the "satisfied with him for now" quotation but yeah

[S-FM pringles]

You realize why I'm questioning you right? That I'm trying to pull 3 VOTES off of what I see as a likely mislynch onto one of two other targets? I'm trying to help you here.

Well, 2 votes I guess, you did have 3 at one time though lol

[S-FM pringles]

Its really interesting how the people outside of my town core dislike the town core yet still scum read each other

Like I picked my town core the way I did for a reason lol

[S-FM pringles]

Anyway Im much happier with votes on MMXX now

You did good Krabs. You did good

[S-FM Quetzalcoatl]

Okay, so here's my reasoning behind that and bear with me for a second.

I dislike the concept of having a town core especially with a disguiser, it makes me feel incredibly uneasy knowing that we could all be getting manipulated potentially by you or HRE or Que whatever his name is. I've been reading through most of the posts that hold any substance and analyzing from their point of view, then running it through and seeing how their methods change over time. For example, your methods have changed from leading the charge, to sheeping to get what lynch you want, to now questioning me.

Do you have specific arguments against a specific person? I understand your views and I do not like the term "town core" either in this game, but I do believe that "not-sciencist core" exists. Now, if you say that you disagree with a consensusal townread, that is another thing and it's valid. Just explain why specifically.
And if you have no other reasons, it's all good. Just say it and stop making us waste time by running in circles, though.

[S-FM pringles]

-vote S-FM MMXX

[S-FM krabby person]

It's hard to put into words. A lot of little things. Some that pop into my mind are:

1) Why are you an easy lynch and why do you accept it?
2) Saying that IceCreamFan's speech is "watery" and "without clear evidence" is... generous. A very non-committal phrasing
3) Why would scientist ever "dodge...etc." and then stop "now", it assumes a very low standard much like pringles' scum-coast theory
4) You acquiesce very quickly to what I consider a pretty crappy argument
5) Argument about not lynching only works if you accept the premise of confirmed town

Seem to have missed the "satisfied with him for now" quotation but yeah

[QUOTE=S-FM MMXX]1) Why are you an easy lynch and why do you accept it?[/QUOTE[
Why am I an easy lynch? Because everyone scum read me from day 1, that's why

3) Why would scientist ever "dodge...etc." and then stop "now", it assumes a very low standard much like pringles' scum-coast theory

The scientist would dodge arguments to lay low

5) Argument about not lynching only works if you accept the premise of confirmed town

I didn't argue about not lynching?

[S-FM krabby person]

Do you have specific arguments against a specific person? I understand your views and I do not like the term "town core" either in this game, but I do believe that "not-sciencist core" exists. Now, if you say that you disagree with a consensusal townread, that is another thing and it's valid. Just explain why specifically.
And if you have no other reasons, it's all good. Just say it and stop making us waste time by running in circles, though.

I have no other reasons for the time being, I would like to see what MMXX flips as and I'll go from there.

[S-FM Quetzalcoatl]

My scumreads?

MMXX

There is literally no body to 90% of his posts, it's like having watery soup with no flavor. He has evaded most arguments without hammering home his points.

Wise mortal, your metaphors are superior to Punchy's, and your read is very well based.

Speaking of Punchy, what are his reads? I don't remember any of them, yet my memory is usually good (even outside of roleplay lol).


Also, going out of character for one half of a post : it's very important to be unique and hard to mimic here. When the Sciencist will be lynched, we probably won't have much time to catch the disguiser, although the power roles will surely help. Make sure you are very hard to mimic. That will spare us much trouble. You probably think that my roleplay is annoying, bad, stupid or whatever, but it will be damn obvious if someone takes over my account

[S-FM MMXX]

[QUOTE=S-FM krabby person;853483]

1) Why are you an easy lynch and why do you accept it?[/QUOTE[
Why am I an easy lynch? Because everyone scum read me from day 1, that's why


The scientist would dodge arguments to lay low



I didn't argue about not lynching?

Not everyone. Anyway the phrasing is just weird

People are posting about how the scientist is free to jettison their infected, try to blend in with the town core, etc. while simultaneously positing that the scientist wants to coast and lay low, even though it has been explicitly stated and demonstrated that people in this thread are willing to lynch over behavior they consider to be as such.

If you leave IceCreamFan alive today (maybe tomorrow too), I think that's blatant agreement that they're basically unlynchable. The entire theory argument they posed was specifically in this bent, especially since as stated in it, the scientist should not want to infect them.

[S-FM pringles]

Wise mortal, your metaphors are superior to Punchy's, and your read is very well based.

Speaking of Punchy, what are his reads? I don't remember any of them, yet my memory is usually good (even outside of roleplay lol).


Also, going out of character for one half of a post : it's very important to be unique and hard to mimic here. When the Sciencist will be lynched, we probably won't have much time to catch the disguiser, although the power roles will surely help. Make sure you are very hard to mimic. That will spare us much trouble. You probably think that my roleplay is annoying, bad, stupid or whatever, but it will be damn obvious if someone takes over my account

I dont think anyone could keep up with my post count lol. I play on my phone for 100% of my posts

[S-FM pringles]

[QUOTE=S-FM MMXX;853486]

Not everyone. Anyway the phrasing is just weird

People are posting about how the scientist is free to jettison their infected, try to blend in with the town core, etc. while simultaneously positing that the scientist wants to coast and lay low, even though it has been explicitly stated and demonstrated that people in this thread are willing to lynch over behavior they consider to be as such.

If you leave IceCreamFan alive today (maybe tomorrow too), I think that's blatant agreement that they're basically unlynchable. The entire theory argument they posed was specifically in this bent, especially since as stated in it, the scientist should not want to infect them.

Why arent you voting ice cream then

[S-FM MMXX]

[QUOTE=S-FM pringles;853488]

Why arent you voting ice cream then

I am capable of placing my vote at any time in the day, and pressuring IceCreamFan with a vote is useless due to their stated play.

[S-FM pringles]

[QUOTE=S-FM MMXX;853489]

I am capable of placing my vote at any time in the day, and pressuring IceCreamFan with a vote is useless due to their stated play.

But your plan is to LYNCH ice cream is it not? Not pressure them?

[S-FM MMXX]

[vote]S-FM Hammond Robotics Employee[\vote]

My vote is going here until my rebuttals / posts to HRE receive replies.

[S-FM pringles]

Oh hey he did something

[S-FM krabby person]

[QUOTE=S-FM pringles;853488]

Why arent you voting ice cream then

This was not posted by me.

[S-FM Quetzalcoatl]

I have no other reasons for the time being, I would like to see what MMXX flips as and I'll go from there.

Fair. If MMXX does not flip Sciencist, I will be more open to your views, because I sadly gut-trust Icecream the more I think about him, and have seen other people act like him as town in the past... A part of me wishes I could scumread him to sacrifice him to the god of general sanity, but if he is town, which I think he is, and that he stops being a liability, which depends on other players' reads and on his own game, I think we should keep him alive, in spite of his sheer uselessness and annoyance.

[S-FM pringles]

This was not posted by me.

I was quoting MMXX, quotes are broken in this chain

[S-FM punchy]

I have no other reasons for the time being, I would like to see what MMXX flips as and I'll go from there.

i believe you would. you type like mireska and you think like mireska. mrmpht

Anyway Im much happier with votes on MMXX now

You did good Krabs. You did good

i believe my theory is correct and krabs will be guising out tonight. mrmpht. the only logical arguments against mmxx have been lack of participation and some potential lylo implication from the death god. it makes no sense to aim for a scientist in that slot and we already agreed that lynching for disguiser here is suboptimal. plus mmxx has just given us a stream of consciousness that makes sense but it was kind of boring. does that make sense? mrmpht

Okay, so here's my reasoning behind that and bear with me for a second.

I dislike the concept of having a town core especially with a disguiser, it makes me feel incredibly uneasy knowing that we could all be getting manipulated potentially by you or HRE or Que whatever his name is. I've been reading through most of the posts that hold any substance and analyzing from their point of view, then running it through and seeing how their methods change over time. For example, your methods have changed from leading the charge, to sheeping to get what lynch you want, to now questioning me.

this is the same mindset that mireska had and i currently see scum sheeping a vote on mmxx. why do you actually believe mmxx is the scientist or are you just sheeping death god mrmpht? you do not seem to have reads.

[S-FM MMXX]

But your plan is to LYNCH ice cream is it not? Not pressure them?

Krabby's last post in the sequence (which I guess I left out) was that they were satisfied with IceCreamFan, followed by an unvote. I guess I misread Krabby's last response (and I misstated my own original comment?) about whether Krabby thought IceCreamFan was not to be lynched, whether he argued about it.

[S-FM MMXX]

[QUOTE=S-FM krabby person;853493]

This was not posted by me.

I was quoting MMXX, quotes are broken in this chain

Yes, my apologies for the bad chain of quotes.

-vote S-FM Hammond Robotics Employee

[S-FM pringles]

Krabby's last post in the sequence (which I guess I left out) was that they were satisfied with IceCreamFan, followed by an unvote. I guess I misread Krabby's last response (and I misstated my own original comment?) about whether Krabby thought IceCreamFan was not to be lynched, whether he argued about it.

Okay so your scum read is Hammond, anyone else?

@Krabs same with you, do you scum read anyone other than MMXX?

[S-FM MMXX]

Yes, my apologies for the bad chain of quotes.

Fk I guess my multi-quote just kept borking. I'll fix it

[S-FM punchy]

Fair. If MMXX does not flip Sciencist, I will be more open to your views, because I sadly gut-trust Icecream the more I think about him, and have seen other people act like him as town in the past... A part of me wishes I could scumread him to sacrifice him to the god of general sanity, but if he is town, which I think he is, and that he stops being a liability, which depends on other players' reads and on his own game, I think we should keep him alive, in spite of his sheer uselessness and annoyance.

mrmpht you are a wise god but your reasoning for liabilities between mmxx and icecream is not consistent. i urge you to reconsider. one time i ate soup that was too hot and burnt my tongue. mrmpht!

[S-FM krabby person]

Okay so your scum read is Hammond, anyone else?

@Krabs same with you, do you scum read anyone other than MMXX?

Not currently, I'm going to re read and re analyze for a little bit before I post again unless someone starts thunderdoming me.

[S-FM Quetzalcoatl]

Going to address these interactions between HRE and me.

Episode 1:

HRE's opening D2 post, provided for convenience:

No response after this.

Episode 2:

Jumping off post from krabby after Quetz (I think?) townreads HRE and I ask why:

No response after this either.

The overall interactions and case against me are a whole bunch of nothing, and HRE can't (or refuses to) offer a response or rebuttal to my own replies. I could see giving a pass for thinking that I replied because I somehow thought the opening post involved me (no idea how though since I'm never even mentioned) but the fact that the tunnel persists even after I've clarified the situation is just confusing.

Either you're in a crappy tunnel, have latched onto pringles' core, or just want to get me lynched. Kindly elaborate.

Puny mortal, YOU are a whole bunch of nothing, an empty and fragile shell, yet very large, just like what your post is. You are air, you are void, you are naught. A case against you cannot directly attack you, for breaking air with an axe is impossible; the only way to control and vanquish air is to take it as a whole, just like how one can use a bag to imprison air inside. In this case, the bag is your emptiness itself. The very fact that you are devoid of meaning is what gives meaning to the attack against you.

[S-FM MMXX]

I'm fine with Blueberry and Quetz, don't remember any other strong sentiments for now.

[S-FM pringles]

I hope deathworlds is enjoying reading this

[S-FM pringles]

I'm fine with Blueberry and Quetz, don't remember any other strong sentiments for now.

Fine as is town read? Or fine with them dying?

No other person stands out as scummy?

Tsk

[S-FM MMXX]

Puny mortal, YOU are a whole bunch of nothing, an empty and fragile shell, yet very large, just like what your post is. You are air, you are void, you are naught. A case against you cannot directly attack you, for breaking air with an axe is impossible; the only way to control and vanquish air is to take it as a whole, just like how one can use a bag to imprison air inside. In this case, the bag is your emptiness itself. The very fact that you are devoid of meaning is what gives meaning to the attack against you.

Don't know why you and pringles have tunneled on this quoted post. I made it to put everything together between HRE and me since he still refuses to address my replies yet continues to put me in his scum pool.

[S-FM pringles]

Not currently, I'm going to re read and re analyze for a little bit before I post again unless someone starts thunderdoming me.

Please do. Everyone should have a shortlist, we cant afford to no lynch any day

[S-FM Quetzalcoatl]

mrmpht you are a wise god but your reasoning for liabilities between mmxx and icecream is not consistent. i urge you to reconsider. one time i ate soup that was too hot and burnt my tongue. mrmpht!

If Icecream :

- is town
- is widely accepted as such

he stops being a liability and becomes a solved town slot. I believe he already meets the first condition; now he must meet the second, which is a much harder task. If he does not meet both conditions, I will consider him as a liability and as a relatively valid lynch, for liabilities are extremely damaging for town in this setup.

[S-FM punchy]

If Icecream :

- is town
- is widely accepted as such

he stops being a liability and becomes a solved town slot. I believe he already meets the first condition; now he must meet the second, which is a much harder task. If he does not meet both conditions, I will consider him as a liability and as a relatively valid lynch, for liabilities are extremely damaging for town in this setup.

mrmpht so your read for scientist is mmxx and what about infected? i believe those two need to be substantiated. you cannot make a sandwich without two pieces of bread. mrmpht im hungry