Day V - Remember Remember.

[Svetlana]

Oh, didn't see Arkadi went to bed. Either way.

[Moisey]

No props for my picture post? *sad face*

[Svetlana]

No props for my picture post? *sad face*

Sorry, I've always been more into substance than show. You did alright attacking, but the burden of proof lies on the accuser, and you fell short without Vasili.

[Moisey]

True enough. Oh well. Least the outcome is what I wanted.

[Leonid]

Remember not to hammer too early. There are still a few suspicious individual that we have yet to interrogate. Don't let them off the hook by lynching early. Keep it at L-2 before someone screw the discussion up by ninja lynching Arkadi and ending the day early.

[Tatyana]

Congratulations guys: this game has hurt my head more than almost any other game. I actually like how this game turned out (from a gameplay aspect): even moreso than other forum mafias, this game has been about trusting other people and separating truths from lies than it has been about 'I am (insert PR here): he is scum'. The downside is that it makes my head hurt :P Between Matvei, Alexei, Fyodor, and Moisey (among other people), I've flip-flopped so many times about what I think of them. For the record, I thought that Moisey was a German going into tonight, and now I think that the worst he could be is a proletariat...

[Moisey]

Arkadi (9): Jelana, Viteslav, Moisey, Krilil, Viktoria, Tatyana, Ani, Svetlana, Vasili
ONE vote needed to Lynch

Prokofi, Andrei, Peotr, Fyodor, Ilya, Prokhor, Leonid, Evgheni and Sacha, just need one of you to drop to drop that hammer on the nail of Arkadi lying ass and send one more SCUM packing! Who’s it going to be?

In Russia, the LOST ending is still terrible.... They didn’t bother to answer any of the questions I’ve been waiting to have answered! The polar bear, the Dharma Initiative, the people in the temple and what about Walt and the guy who blew himself up? Where were they at the end?! The show was a character study?! Then why bother with subs and hatches?!! To keep the show interesting? I’m interested in answers, not more questions!! First they introduce “the others” who are inexplicably hostile to the plane crash survivors and this guy who never ages for some reason, and what about Richard Whitemore’s obsession with the island?! They lead us to believe that he had all the answers…and he told us nothing!!!

[Moisey]

For the record, I thought that Moisey was a German going into tonight, and now I think that the worst he could be is a proletariat...

I thought you were evil until you claimed to RB me and Arkadi was caught in so many different lies. So =) It's all good.

[Leonid]

Moisey. Don't rush the hammer. A few people has yet to explain themselves.

[Moisey]

Remember not to hammer too early. There are still a few suspicious individual that we have yet to interrogate. Don't let them off the hook by lynching early. Keep it at L-2 before someone screw the discussion up by ninja lynching Arkadi and ending the day early.

Now see, this posts bothers me. We have now proven that Arkadi is a liar and is pure scum, yet Leonid wants the day to continue to possibly change the vote to someone else. Why change the public opinion from someone who has been proven to be EVIL unless you are standing up for your friend to keep Germany in the game. Leonid please explain, as I don't by why anyone would slip up when there are already 9 votes on the board. Just looks like a desperate last dive to throw off the voters.

[Moisey]

Moisey. Don't rush the hammer. A few people has yet to explain themselves.

Are any of those people active posters or are they the multiple 1post go afk for an entire day that this game is full of? It's the latter isn't it. No one is going to come clean with nine votes up.

So your reasoning Leonid confuses me.

[Leonid]

If Arkadi is German,
3 Germans
3-5 Bolsheviks
1 Anarchist
5-7 Russians
4 Hidden Any (I assume 2 neutrals and 2 Russians)

Assuming that neutrals are siding with German or Bolsheviks, and no kills tonight (but in reality 3 kills)
3 German + 1 Hidden Any (neutral)
3-5 Bolsheviks + 1 Hidden Any (neutral)
1 Anarchist
5-7 Russians + 2 Hidden Any (Russians)

This means,
4 votes for German
3-6 votes for Bolsheviks
1 Anarchist
5-9 votes for Russians

Everyone need to make their vote count tomorrow.

[Moisey]

Actually could you please list who you would like to hear from still Leonid and why you want to hear from them/why you are calling them out? (Names in particular. Call out those people who are lurkers/afkers)

And I still think Sasha should be shot tonight.

[Leonid]

Are any of those people active posters or are they the multiple 1post go afk for an entire day that this game is full of? It's the latter isn't it. No one is going to come clean with nine votes up.

So your reasoning Leonid confuses me.

Sigh... you are right. What do you think about those lurkers then? Russian vote is running thin. And I don't like nasty surprises tomorrow. I not talking about voting them up. Instead I want a consensus on how to deal with them.

[Leonid]

It's easier to read scums who are posting alot because they are more likely to slip and thus get caught. What I fear are people who suddenly stop posting, or never really posted anything at all for a day or two without being modkilled. We are told that people WITHOUT night actions, and do not post day AND night will be modkilled. So far, there is ONLY ONE modkill. My AFKers list is at my home computer. Give me 3 hours (going home soon) and I'll post the list of lurkers and their activity profile.

I'm not a disguiser. Don't worry lol.

[Leonid]

And I still think Sasha should be shot tonight.

I think Sasha has an excuse though. Gavril's death shocked him a bit too much. He had been taunting Gavril and Alexei after the hammer. Still you are right. We can't rule him out.

[Moisey]

Sigh... you are right. What do you think about those lurkers then? Russian vote is running thin. And I don't like nasty surprises tomorrow. I not talking about voting them up. Instead I want a consensus on how to deal with them.

Only hope this that this new batch when they are Modkilled off are controlled by players who can talk and give some insight. It's really hard to tell who's evil and who's not by 2-3 sentences worth of text. Their probably thinking that they are playing the game so well when in fact they are ruining it. (Why I am going to enjoy the FM10 rules! Won't allow something like that to happen.)

Right now in town I only trust Tatyana and Fyodor.

Alot of people think that Sasha is a Bolshevik and if it was not for the obvious case against Arkadi I would of voted to lynch Sasha in a second. I say Sasha is a big target tonight, as are two people I`ve had my eyes on for awhile now, Evghnei and Ilya. Evghnei has stopped talking and Ilya, even under a new handler, has acted evil since the very start. Those 3 are probably our best bet for tonight. As far as Lynch goes, we have our best target and I want that hammer to drop to prove Tat`s innocence. The more Russians we trust/roles confirmed, the better chances of us pulling off the comeback win with the horrible start we had.

[Moisey]

I am off to bed Leo. Look forward to reading your Lurker profile when I wake up as well as seeing that HAMMER get dropped as we send Arkadi to their death. The lies caught up to him. Simple as that.

[Leonid]

I agree with you. Though I have a few other suspects.

Oh yea. Before I log off, any scum who dared to hammer early will be shot tonight. Person with the gun from gunsmith please take note. Kill the scum who want to stop town from discussing by hammering early.

[Leonid]

Players remaining

Leonid
Evgheni
Ilya
Andrei
Viteslav
Prokofi
Prokhor
Fyodor
Sacha
Peotr
Ania
Vasili
Viktoria
Tatyana
Jelena
Moisey
Svetlana
Kirill
Arkadi

[Leonid]

Active

Leonid
Fyodor
Tatyana
Moisey
Svetlana
Arkadi

Semi-active

Prokofi
Viktoria

Lurking

Evgheni
Ilya
Viteslav
Vasili
Jelena
Kirill

AFKers

Andrei
Prokhor
Sacha
Peotr
Ania

[Leonid]

Sudden fall in post activity

Jelena (Day2)
Sacha (Day3)
Evgheni (Day5)

Possible explaination = indoctrinated

No posts for one day/night cycle without being modkilled (the only modkill occured in Day2)

Andrei
Prokhor
Sacha
Peotr
Ania

Possible explaination = Scum / useless PR / cannot be peasant.

[Fyodor]

@Svetlana/Visili

That's what this entire argument was about. Arkadi swears he visited alexei, but instead visited Tatyana. This is what alexei said "Proves him guilty", but what I've been saying the entire fucking time is that all it does is prove Oops and Philie don't know how to not both log on and take different actions if someone sent a second action or changed their action throughout the night. Same EXACT thing happened to me.

[Leonid]

@Moisey and Vasili

I just remember that you did not answer me on why you lied regarding the reps from Lenin on Day 2.

[Leonid]

I thinking why should I be so active when most can just make do with lurking. Blast it. Go to hell all of you.

[Fyodor]

I can't rep the person who repped me the thing, but yes that's fine.

Your list is slightly wrong, one whom you claim is scum is in fact a reserve Lookout ._. - I was rerolled upon entry.

This is a rep I brushed off as being stupid, but upon further examination I found that our two "modkills" appear on the list.


General - Peotr ?
Medic - Ania ?
Spotter - ?
Hidden German - ?

Gunsmith - Known
Journalist - Unknown/Andrei?

Hidden Town power(Actress) - Tatyana
Hidden Town Power(Armorsmith) - Leonid
Hidden Town Power(Investigator) - Fyodor


Peasant - Prokhor
Peasant - Krili
Peasant - ?
Peasant - ?

Hidden Any(Actress) - Arkadi
Hidden Any(Witch) - ?
Hidden Any(Doctor?) - Pretty sure I know who this is
Hidden Any(Peasent?) - ?


Stalin - Sacha

Anarchist - Svetlana

I had both of them pegged as german, but I got this message back saying "You're wrong I'm actually a lookout".

It makes me think that Peotr or Ania is the spotter for the mafia, but if one of them is mafia I'd be willing to bet both of them are mafia because of the quick modkill reply. I assuming when the GM said that it meant it was going to happen tonight because there were no more replacements and he gave them multiple warnings to talk in day chat and they showed up after they realized they could get killed.

[Moisey]

@Moisey and Vasili

I just remember that you did not answer me on why you lied regarding the reps from Lenin on Day 2.

Leonid, I did not lie to you about rep on Day 2 because I did not even see that you asked me a question on Day 2.

Can you please say it again and I will answer it within the next few hours here? At school atm but I will be home in four hours. I can hopefully answer your question before then but if not then in 4 hours you will have an answer for sure.

[Moisey]

I recieved one wordless green pr or whatever they are called post on night 2 before Alexei day 3 rep post to me.

On Day 3 the rep message I recieved is the one I have posted above. Hope that answeres your question.

[Moisey]

@Svetlana/Visili

That's what this entire argument was about. Arkadi swears he visited alexei, but instead visited Tatyana. This is what alexei said "Proves him guilty", but what I've been saying the entire fucking time is that all it does is prove Oops and Philie don't know how to not both log on and take different actions if someone sent a second action or changed their action throughout the night. Same EXACT thing happened to me.

Upon talking to Philie, this was not the case for Arkadi. This is what we've been trying to say for over 12+ hours now. Trust me. Arkadi is guilty. Look at the numbers who have not voted yet and the roles you suspect them of being. Arn't the majority of them German? That makes sense for the absence of votes. Isn't our 60 hours almost up anyway? Not enough time to go after another target with the numbers you need. Everyone is not that active to switch the votes to another target. Why would Arkadi have lied so much if he was really a Actress? Makes ZERO sense.

[Moisey]

[U]Lurking

Evgheni
Ilya
Viteslav
Vasili
Jelena
Kirill

AFKers

Andrei
Prokhor
Sacha
Peotr
Ania

Equals a really shitty end game.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Upon talking to Philie, this was not the case for Arkadi. This is what we've been trying to say for over 12+ hours now. Trust me. Arkadi is guilty. Look at the numbers who have not voted yet and the roles you suspect them of being. Arn't the majority of them German? That makes sense for the absence of votes. Isn't our 60 hours almost up anyway? Not enough time to go after another target with the numbers you need. Everyone is not that active to switch the votes to another target. Why would Arkadi have lied so much if he was really a Actress? Makes ZERO sense.

[16:56:58] Moisey: if anyone asks i talked to you about the entire arkadi night action being fucked up situation

Don't use GM as a tool to achieve whatever you're doing. I hate to step in like that, but I would never give anyone such information.

[Tatyana]

OK, I think you can hammer now. Tonight, I will be using what I've considered my best-kept secret: armor. The more PRs that survive the night, the better, so I think its finally time... Tonight is probably going to decide who wins.

[Kirill]

Kirill has reviewed what was been spoken. It has been 12 hours since Kirill meditated last on this day, and none of the silent have spoken. This troubles Kirill greatly..


Regardless of what occurs following this lynch. Tomorrow.. may be the most critical day in the balance of power.. I fear for the Empire with so many PR exposed.

[Moisey]

OK, I think you can hammer now.

Wont happen. The lurkers wont vote a fellow German, 1/2 of the game is AFK and Fyodor still won`t see reason.

[Peotr]

I said I would help vote, but then again, Fyodor, the one person who seems to be confirmed town hasn't voted. I'm not done reading the previous days, so can someone please explain why we are lynching Arkadi? I'll see whether or not to hammer from there.

[Peotr]

Going by the "last edit 3:00 AM", we have 4 hours and 15 minutes left from here.

[Moisey]

I said I would help vote, but then again, Fyodor, the one person who seems to be confirmed town hasn't voted. I'm not done reading the previous days, so can someone please explain why we are lynching Arkadi? I'll see whether or not to hammer from there.

If you are asking this then its obvious you have not read each days events. We have stated on this day alone numerous reasons why we are lynching. But for direct reasons, read day 4 and today.

[Viteslav]

the time has come to hammer the vote
we have little enough time left that we shouldnt piss any more of it away arguing
all the likely town have voted other than fyodor

also im about 99% sure that evgheni is stalin or affiliated with the bolsheviks based on a rep ploy i worked out with the jailor and some other evidence

[Moisey]

I said I would help vote, but then again, Fyodor, the one person who seems to be confirmed town hasn't voted. I'm not done reading the previous days, so can someone please explain why we are lynching Arkadi? I'll see whether or not to hammer from there.

You are not doing a very good job at convincing us you are not German. Prove your loyalty and drop the hammer.

[Viteslav]

You are not doing a very good job at convincing us you are not German. Prove your loyalty and drop the hammer.

your sig is good for a laugh

[Fyodor]

I won't vote because Moisey is using the GM to try and push a favorable lynch, the only arguement for lynching Arkadi is that he lied about blocking Alexei and that there are 2 roleblockers, and

When you find me another power role in the game that tries to take Arkadi's spot as a Hidden Any town power then sure, I'll vote for him, but until then we have 2 actresses for the same reason we have 2 prop's: "Hey should we double a role? Oh sure that way if people find both they think one is bad! LOL BRILLIANT" - Oops/Philie.

There are no sheriffs, body guards, vigilantes, lookouts, and only 1 doctor. 2 actresses, 2 investigators, and 2 prop's seem about right to me.

Sorry you were all persuaded by someone who tries to use cheap tatics to bring someone down. I have a feeling Moisey may be our general.

He constantly claims that I know his role, directs me to invest him tomorrow, uses the GM to try and prove someone is bad, argued all day and pushed this lynch that I didn't see, buddied with me all game when I had no clue who the fuck he was, and I told Tatyana to roleblock him last night and there was a missing kill. He tries to say that he's proven citizen, but Alexei didn't even check him and the rep he made up from Alexei was a lie. He acts like giving the town a copied post about the RB message clears him from everything and continues to get angry throughout the entire debate with Arkadi.

-vote Moisey

We have time to switch if you want to otherwise someone can hammer Arkadi and we can possibly lose the game.

[Viteslav]

i dont like moiseys tactics for pushing this lynch either but its a bit too late to get ten votes on someone else and arkadi seems like a very likely scum

4 hours give or take is not enough time to get ten votes on a completely different person

[Arkadi]

Well, I gotta say I'm surprised to still be alive. Allow me to explain my actions in even greater detail.

- Fyodor the investigator says that Tatyana is either the anarchist or the german disposer. Okay, fine.
- Alexei (who had been lying a shitload up until that point) was defending Tatyana and saying that I had role-blocked her.

That put me in an interesting position. I had suspected Alexei of being german since his second day rep ploy to get people's power roles off them. So I figured, let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes here. I lied and said I claimed Tatyana to see what was going on, and sure enough, Alexei turned it into "i'm the detainer and tatyana is innocent". At that point I was pretty much convinced that Tatyana was german and so was Alexei.

Then Fyodor found out his investigation for the night was the wrong person or whatever and said Tatyana wasn't German anymore. So my conclusions were suddenly false as well. Instead, it made me look like scum because I went back on who I claimed to block. My attempt to fish Alexei out as working with Tatyana epically failed because fyodor got the wrong information and because Alexei actually did turn out to be a detective.

So yeah, lynching me for my fuck up would be a fair move in any other game, but I just want to remind you guys how badly a mislynch will hurt. I mean granted we still have the gunsmith so that helps town's odds, and I'm being mind controlled by a witch at night anyway so I'm not terribly useful at night. But when I die please do not ignore what I've said about Moisey. Being a jackass is my only crime, and I'd hate for us to lose because of said jackassery. Though I would caution everyone not to lynch Tatyana immediately when I flip actress. As I've tried to explain, it's still very possible that there are two actresses up in here.

Moisey, though, is either a bolshevik convert or the german general. It's as simple as that.

[Peotr]

FM Game Master is online.

What is the official time for the day's end?

[Viteslav]

arkadi can you post a list of your night actions for each night? who you targeted and whether or not you were witched

[Moisey]

He constantly claims that I know his role, directs me to invest him tomorrow, uses the GM to try and prove someone is bad, argued all day and pushed this lynch that I didn't see, buddied with me all game when I had no clue who the fuck he was, and I told Tatyana to roleblock him last night and there was a missing kill. He tries to say that he's proven citizen, but Alexei didn't even check him and the rep he made up from Alexei was a lie. He acts like giving the town a copied post about the RB message clears him from everything and continues to get angry throughout the entire debate with Arkadi.

By that alone Fyodor you have lost us the game anyway.

"He constantly claims that I know his role"

How the hell do you NOT know my role? Day 3 proved that you did.

"directs me to invest him tomorrow"

To prove my innocence. VERY mafia thing to do (Sarcasm)

"uses the GM to try and prove someone is bad"

When the game is over i'll touch on this subject.

"argued all day and pushed this lynch that I didn't see"
How is this different then what I do/have done EVERY DAY?! I have spearhead the lynch of TWO Germans. TWO. When this happens in Sc2Mafia its called GAME THROWING!

"buddied with me all game when I had no clue who the fuck he was"

Again, read day 3.

"and I told Tatyana to roleblock him last night and there was a missing kill."
Due to all the AFKers are you REALLY going to judge a missing kill on my me being roleblocked? Ya.

"Alexei didn't even check him and the rep he made up from Alexei was a lie"
That is a lie. I have already proven that the Rep message was real. How could I have made that up in less then 60 seconds?

I am now 100% certain that Fyodor has been disguised. The only thing that makes sense. But it's easy to prove if Fyodor was lying or not.

GM, if someone is disguised, can they see all previous rep posts?

Four hours to go and the disguised Fyodor wants to cancel a for sure lynch of Arkadi to me with a game full of Afkers? Ya, he's German. Keep the Arkadi vote going.

[Arkadi]

arkadi can you post a list of your night actions for each night? who you targeted and whether or not you were witched

Sure:

N1 No block, no witch
N2 Alexei, no witch
N3 Andrei, no witch
N4 Meant for Andrei, Witched to Fyodor I presume

[Fyodor]

I actually just realized something. If you kill Arkadi then we lose both roleblocks.

The witch will just take control of Tatyana and continue to block me so I can't find her while everyone abuses me with attacks and shit.

Fine Moisey, I'm disguised you caught me. That proves Arkadi is innocent so drop the votes on him...OH WAIT THAT'S NOT TRUE! You're just making this all up. You didn't spearhead shit, Nikifor was killed by Sergei, and Igor was killed by Gasili(?) Whoever pointed out to me that suicide never lies. Stop making shit up.

[Moisey]

arkadi can you post a list of your night actions for each night? who you targeted and whether or not you were witched

seconded.

[Arkadi]

seconded.

Look up two posts.