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[Voss]

Here is my current take on the game

Spoiler : hot take :

Aamirus was pretty quick to notice Light not playing as town. good catch or scummy, but i’m leaning good catch. also qas quick to post her role card. she also thought frinckles was defensive. holy shit mind melding. AND gyr what the fuck.

light - not acting like his usual town self. like, i pushed him last game and was ready to go head to head for what he was saying, but i was more going for him for doing bad town things, rather than scummy things. this is not the same case so far.
on the other hand, he also didn’t know there was a n0, and it’s pretty believable he typed that. he also sees aamirus as town

Kenny - calling me and frinckles a team was good at generating content, but just so fucking random. townest of null reads. ugh sorry i stop taking notes on you as i read you and frinckles debate stuff. can't call you town, but i'm definitely don't want you dead yet.

Mag - i don’t actually remember him ever being scum with me, and so far he’s towny. started with posting role card. i don’t see scum doing this. disagree with mag’s read on gyr though. okay this also changed once mag started doing this 'electiony' bullshit

ozy - saying they have the same win condition is town. “not wall” post is fine.

frinckles - got nothing yet, but i’ve been able to read him pretty well so far. don’t like how he dismissed ozzy though. ugh frinckles is being too aggressive. trying to determine if it’s forced.
ugh frinckles just called mag maybe scum by his win condition. that is so town it’s pure. i mean, fuck too towny to not be town and fuck too scummy to be town.

gyrlander - scummiest, but null read. okay i think he’s literally role claimed, after saying this isn’t the way we should play this game. he coasts most of the time, but coasts more as scum. good policy lynch if it ever gets there.

huey - literally got nothing

octane - negative zero

pfftt - ???? don't even know this guy's name

I reread this and this is not organized too great, but it's my stream of consciousness notes written in a non obnoxious way of posting through people's conversations. which is fucking annoying.

I'm going to do my best to scum hunt and place educated votes, but I'm really busy at work during the day, and I also want to solve the technical problem of not allowing people to see vote ranking at the end of day. My current solution is to pm all votes to StealthBomber by EoD.

Doing the cool technical solution will require me to work on narrator code tonight.

[Ganelon]

Spoiler : cvote :

Octane,PPFortress,Frinckles,HueyTheLong,Gyrlander, Magoroth,Light_Yagami,Kenny,OzyWho,aamirus,Voss,

putting this in another post just so i make sure it takes.

You need me at the top of your list.

[Kenny]

Voss are you currently scumreading light? It somewhat sounds like that from your reads spoiler

@Voss

[Frinckles]

Fuck this, getting nightmare flashbacks to writing out the whole alphabet for you when you were “blackmailed”. Or when you made up some bullshit about a scum joining your mason chat. Fuck I just don’t believe any of your ploys anymore, you’re the boy who cried wolf.

yes.

[OzyWho]

To the best of my knowledge, we are using Condorcet Voting 2.0. The changes are as follows:

When we get within an hour of EoD, I will make it impossible to see who's at the top of the scum ranking. This is supposed to stop people from throwing their votes willy nilly at EoD, while still giving us a method of pressuring people.

Ties will be resolved via the 'mayor' game. This means, whoever is at the bottom of the ranking will break ties. For example, if aamirus and myself are Tied for most scummy, and Mag is most towny, and Mag thinks I'm more scummy than Aamirus, I will be executed at EoD.

If a tie between the scummy players is resolved by the most towny player - what resolves a tie between the most towny players?
Is the resolving by the major done manually by the player or automatically by their cvote?

@Voss

[Kenny]

@Frinckles is your rolename green, does your card include the word "green" or does it not mention anything about it at all?
You said stealth wrote he put your card together in mobile.

[Ganelon]

For fucks sake if you don’t vote me today we will almost certainly lose the game, VOTE ME

Im not fucking around here this is important, vote me

[Kenny]

You need me at the top of your list.

Mag I legitimately cannot see any world in which what you're trying could either get you voted up or could lead to a single scumslip here.

[Frinckles]

@Frinckles is your rolename green, does your card include the word "green" or does it not mention anything about it at all?
You said stealth wrote he put your card together in mobile.

I never said that.

My role name is green, yes.

[OzyWho]

For fucks sake if you don’t vote me today we will almost certainly lose the game, VOTE ME

Im not fucking around here this is important, vote me

You mean Lynch?

[Voss]

Voss are you currently scumreading light? It somewhat sounds like that from your reads spoiler

Reiterating my notes on him in a more clear way, he echoed my thoughts on aamirus and also sort of dumb telled town slipped like me with the n0 thing. But his early day 1 play made me think more scum???...

You pushing at my yagami read thinks maybe I should have huey and gyrlander below light and magoroth.

Other than THAT I think Light's well placed within my ranking.

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I don't have all the time in the world to reread everyone, so I'll keep my eye on new posts and go back and reread "hot" people, or people that are at the top of the ranking list. right now, Light's #9, and I don't have a death wish for him yet.

[Kenny]

I never said that.

My role name is green, yes.

I'll get the quote.
This is a surefire scumtell now

[Frinckles]

I'll get the quote.
This is a surefire scumtell now

You are silly.

[Ganelon]

@aamrius is scumpainting me hard. She is scum. It is super important that she not win the vote today. She must be at the bottom of everyone’s list.

[Voss]

If a tie between the scummy players is resolved by the most towny player - what resolves a tie between the most towny players?
Is the resolving by the major done manually by the player or automatically by their cvote?

@Voss

It's done automatically.

And in the super fringe scenario that you're talking about here where there's a tie for top scum and tie for top town AND those top towns disagree on the top scums, the 3rd top most town would decide the 'top scum'.

[Voss]

Reiterating my notes on him in a more clear way, he echoed my thoughts on aamirus and also sort of dumb telled town slipped like me with the n0 thing. But his early day 1 play made me think more scum???...

You pushing at my yagami read thinks maybe I should have huey and gyrlander below light and magoroth.

Other than THAT I think Light's well placed within my ranking.

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I don't have all the time in the world to reread everyone, so I'll keep my eye on new posts and go back and reread "hot" people, or people that are at the top of the ranking list. right now, Light's #9, and I don't have a death wish for him yet.

@Kenny , I hope this was a good enough answer? And also, my placement of the middle people is fucked my what mag's doing here.

[Ganelon]

You mean Lynch?

There are no lynches, it’s mayor election

[Voss]

GO GO GO
@Voss
@Gyrlander
@Octane
@aamirus
@Kenny
@Frinckles
@Huey The Long
@Light_Yagami
@OzyWho
@PPFortress
@Magoroth

voss contact me about setting up condorcet voting please

3528735 votes to hammer. because its supposed to be condorcet

sbs quotes for reference.

[DJarJar]

For fucks sake if you don’t vote me today we will almost certainly lose the game, VOTE ME

Im not fucking around here this is important, vote me

If you are the mayor why would you need to be elected? If you’re a normal town then why would only you know about the election mechanic? Why should we lose the game if somebody else gets elected... they could be town.

Ahhhhh I guess I can see the point of this ploy now, oh well too late.

[Kenny]

I interpreted Mag's entrance post to the wincon discussion as him intending to say the rolecard is worded in a very unserious, unusual for town members, way.
My own card has pretty much the least amount of words possible and the host randomly adding in that he wrote it from mobile. He also concluded the card with "woo".

I think that can be seen as some similarity to look out for, hence Mag's plan looked believable to me. "the same win conditions description" as Ozzy said sounds to me just like that too.
That Ozy did a complete 180 from wincon alone isn't something I'd expect from scum too. Voss' aggressive sarcastic response to dismiss wincon talks seemed more scumlike to me.

If I told you my win condition description was written exactly the same way, (as yours) what do you take away from it Kenny?

The thing is though Kenny, he said "same win conditions description" which is distinct from "same win conditions," which we as town should all share. Let's assume Magoroth and Ozy are both Town: They cannot both be Citizen, for example. Naturally one must be a separate type of town role or the host is lying.

That's given one very important assumption, which I don't believe is true. The most basic explanation would suggest that Ozy didn't know this and slipped.



I've done some of the basics that you refused to do after you dodged my question and claim I'm not doing anything with it when I was the one who pointed it out:

Why exactly are you defending Ozy so much and offloading everything to Voss? You cannot sell to me that Ozy scumread Magoroth and did a '180.' To make matters worse, your win condition could be and sounds, fake. I literally made a "wrote it from mobile" joke earlier this morning with you specifically.

The only explanation for your lack of reasoning and skepticism would be a misunderstanding or ulterior motives.

I laid out a slip with four quotes and nothing more and you're trying to bury it as fast as possible.

You even used this as a means of scumpainting me. Scum.

[Ganelon]

I know someone’s identity.
This is a very crucial fact.
But that is all that I can ​say

[DJarJar]

@aamrius is scumpainting me hard. She is scum. It is super important that she not win the vote today. She must be at the bottom of everyone’s list.

How am I scumpainting you? I don’t believe you’re being genuine about the mayor thing but that doesn’t make you scum... why would scum want to be lynched lol

[Frinckles]

Why does Magoroth actively want to be lynched now?

Someone bring me up to speed.

[Voss]

Okay ffs I'll go there.

Mag. Don't scumpaint aamirus for scum painting you. If you're going to make everyone here believe it's "mayor election" you better fucking try your hardest to prove you're town and we should listen to you.

[Ganelon]

If you are the mayor why would you need to be elected? If you’re a normal town then why would only you know about the election mechanic? Why should we lose the game if somebody else gets elected... they could be town.

Ahhhhh I guess I can see the point of this ploy now, oh well too late.

I am not mayor scum. But I guess you already know that.

[Frinckles]

You even used this as a means of scumpainting me. Scum.

My joke earlier had zero to do with you outside of being a joke about Magoroth's tapatalk. (I've made this joke many, many times ask him.)

My inquiry into what you could get out of that statement IF it were true has nothing to do with my role card. It had to do with the context of the slip.

Your 'description' of your win condition sounded fake due to the context.


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What else have you got?

[Voss]

Mag's entrance play and current play don't make sense. Fuck these "late" surprises.

[Kenny]

Reiterating my notes on him in a more clear way, he echoed my thoughts on aamirus and also sort of dumb telled town slipped like me with the n0 thing. But his early day 1 play made me think more scum???...

You pushing at my yagami read thinks maybe I should have huey and gyrlander below light and magoroth.

Other than THAT I think Light's well placed within my ranking.

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I don't have all the time in the world to reread everyone, so I'll keep my eye on new posts and go back and reread "hot" people, or people that are at the top of the ranking list. right now, Light's #9, and I don't have a death wish for him yet.

I'm having a hard townread on Yagami for the very genuine looking read in post 220 and his sudden aggressive and baseless push on Ozy when he posted a few hours ago.

[Frinckles]

My joke earlier had zero to do with you outside of being a joke about Magoroth's tapatalk. (I've made this joke many, many times ask him.)

My inquiry into what you could get out of that statement IF it were true has nothing to do with my role card. It had to do with the context of the slip.

Your 'description' of your win condition sounded fake due to the context.


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What else have you got?

For the record, you dodged that inquiry.

[Ganelon]

My role is very unique... Stealth probably had a lot of fun designing it. It’s a batshit insane role, and it’s prrtty difficult to play as, I don’t think it’s ever been in any game on this site before.

[Voss]

Spoiler : cvote :

Octane,PPFortress,Frinckles,HueyTheLong,Light_Yaga mi,Magoroth,Gyrlander,OzyWho,Kenny,aamirus,Voss,

[DJarJar]

Why does Magoroth actively want to be lynched now?

Someone bring me up to speed.

There’s not much to say. He says we are actually voting for mayor, not lynch, and that we have to vote for him or we’ll lose the game. If you ask for more info he just says he’s not allowed to say more

[Ganelon]

I have something of the utmost importance in my rolecard.
something that if I were to out, I would die.

[Frinckles]

My role is very unique... Stealth probably had a lot of fun designing it. It’s a batshit insane role, and it’s prrtty difficult to play as, I don’t think it’s ever been in any game on this site before.

Get lynched and become mayor?

MM isn't here to protect you. If I wanted you dead you've be at the bottom of a river by now.

Play the game and cut the bullshit, my argument is predicated on you not being scum. And you're making this D1 quite fucky.

[Kenny]

My joke earlier had zero to do with you outside of being a joke about Magoroth's tapatalk. (I've made this joke many, many times ask him.)

My inquiry into what you could get out of that statement IF it were true has nothing to do with my role card. It had to do with the context of the slip.

Your 'description' of your win condition sounded fake due to the context.


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What else have you got?

The thing is though Kenny, he said "same win conditions description" which is distinct from "same win conditions," which we as town should all share. Let's assume Magoroth and Ozy are both Town: They cannot both be Citizen, for example. Naturally one must be a separate type of town role or the host is lying.

That's given one very important assumption, which I don't believe is true. The most basic explanation would suggest that Ozy didn't know this and slipped.



I've done some of the basics that you refused to do after you dodged my question and claim I'm not doing anything with it when I was the one who pointed it out:

Why exactly are you defending Ozy so much and offloading everything to Voss? You cannot sell to me that Ozy scumread Magoroth and did a '180.' To make matters worse, your win condition could be and sounds, fake. I literally made a "wrote it from mobile" joke earlier this morning with you specifically.

The only explanation for your lack of reasoning and skepticism would be a misunderstanding or ulterior motives.

I laid out a slip with four quotes and nothing more and you're trying to bury it as fast as possible.

So, you made a joke, and you used that joke to defend yourself while shading me?
You also now claim that you did not reveal your own wincon this game yet?

[Frinckles]

There’s not much to say. He says we are actually voting for mayor, not lynch, and that we have to vote for him or we’ll lose the game. If you ask for more info he just says he’s not allowed to say more

Who loses the game here?

[Ganelon]

unlocking your true potential ​is difficult, but not impossible

[OzyWho]

There are no lynches, it’s mayor election

Yeah but you want you as top scum or top town?

Honestly, here is what I think:
1) You want yourself get lynched because then you become a vengeful spirit, so then you can target me and win the game. You know it's me you have to target because you baited it out.
2) You can't say anything more because it would cause a lightning strike on your head.
3) "2)" Is only reasonable in the scenario where townies voting you would be good for them so that's why SB16 forbid you to say more, so to make you work for it.
4) If its not "3)" then you're not saying more on your own accord because it's bad for town.
5) If "5)" were true then you could just lie. So it's not "4)" most likely.

Honestly, I would vote you just to see what happens

But vote as top scum or top town?

[DJarJar]

I have something of the utmost importance in my rolecard.
something that if I were to out, I would die.

So post your entire card minus the one part you’re not allowed to say lol

Or just stfu, I actually thought of a good town reason for this claim but it’s a bit late to get anybody to believe you at this point

[Ganelon]

Yeah but you want you as top scum or top town?

Honestly, here is what I think:
1) You want yourself get lynched because then you become a vengeful spirit, so then you can target me and win the game. You know it's me you have to target because you baited it out.
2) You can't say anything more because it would cause a lightning strike on your head.
3) "2)" Is only reasonable in the scenario where townies voting you would be good for them so that's why SB16 forbid you to say more, so to make you work for it.
4) If its not "3)" then you're not saying more on your own accord because it's bad for town.
5) If "5)" were true then you could just lie. So it's not "4)" most likely.

Honestly, I would vote you just to see what happens

But vote as top scum or top town?

i outed my wincon before you
did how would I know you have the same wincon ffs

[DJarJar]

unlocking your true potential ​is difficult, but not impossible

So basically if you get lynched today you become more powerful? Is that it? Just be straight with us mag, I think everyone is sick of your BS game after game

[Frinckles]

So, you made a joke, and you used that joke to defend yourself while shading me?
You also now claim that you did not reveal your own wincon this game yet?

Are you implying I'm in cahootz with SB16 or something?

That I developed his rolecards?

Occam's Razor says, no you just slipped some garbage in as a fake win con. Maybe by accident since we had been interacting?

@Magoroth how many times have I made that stupid tapatalk joke about you?

Eliminate all the evildoers is mine.

[Voss]

I'm having a hard townread on Yagami for the very genuine looking read in post 220 and his sudden aggressive and baseless push on Ozy when he posted a few hours ago.

his posts around #220 didn't seem aggressive to me, and this seems more like 'town trying' yagami to me.

okay feel free to ask me questions, but I'm a go work out so I don't feel like an extreme piece of shit.

[Kenny]

Are you implying I'm in cahootz with SB16 or something?

That I developed his rolecards?

Occam's Razor says, no you just slipped some garbage in as a fake win con. Maybe by accident since we had been interacting?

@Magoroth how many times have I made that stupid tapatalk joke about you?

Eliminate all the evildoers is mine.

You mentioned that tapatalk thing in a context that made it appear you would've claimed the same wincon I did before I did.
You asked me 1 post before what I would do if you had the same wincon I did, and after I claimed my wincon.

[OzyWho]

i outed my wincon before you
did how would I know you have the same wincon ffs

Didn't you read me?
I said you baited my identity by saying a win con that is unique to my role card.

[Kenny]

his posts around #220 didn't seem aggressive to me, and this seems more like 'town trying' yagami to me.

okay feel free to ask me questions, but I'm a go work out so I don't feel like an extreme piece of shit.

the aggressive posts were after Ozy's 2nd wallpost. 220 just looks genuine to point I wouldn't expect from a scum yagami. I just never saw him fake emotions like that

[Ganelon]

You’re a Shaman.
If you don’t get elected mayor on d1 you’ll die
Your ability will be revealed to you on n1
You know a player’s role and alignment
If you reveal it you will be zapped by lightning
Green
Town
Remove anyone who isn’t town

[Ganelon]

The information I possess is of the utmost importance.

[Kenny]

You’re a Shaman.
If you don’t get elected mayor on d1 you’ll die
Your ability will be revealed to you on n1
You know a player’s role and alignment
If you reveal it you will be zapped by lightning
Green
Town
Remove anyone who isn’t town

This just means we won't vote you and we'll also have a reason to lynch you tomorrow if you don't die

[Ganelon]

his posts around #220 didn't seem aggressive to me, and this seems more like 'town trying' yagami to me.

okay feel free to ask me questions, but I'm a go work out so I don't feel like an extreme piece of shit.

tone wise and logic wise that is. Definitely town yagami