S-FM 293: ç

[Frinckles]

Well yea that’s what he said...

I'm just making sure I havent gone crazy, Kenny seemed to disagree.

[DJarJar]

How very interesting... But are we sure there can't be like 2 people with different roles but same wording for the win condition? I don't think there are a lot more ways to say "KILL ALL NON TOWN". And I'm not really sure SB16 would have made 100% sure everyone got a different wording.

Frinckles what do you think about Gyrlander?

[Frinckles]

Frinckles what do you think about Gyrlander?

Maybe he's putting the brakes on what I caught. I dont really think so, he could have simply ignored it as scum and the status quo would be relatively the same. I'd say his input comes off as a genuinely piqued interest since the other topics in this FM have been mediocre.

[Frinckles]

At any rate, I'd be very upset if he was low posting scum again. I doubt he is.

[DJarJar]

At any rate, I'd be very upset if he was low posting scum again. I doubt he is.

Unfortunately that’s my meta of gyr, basically just coasting as scum. And in the short iso I see:

Being upset about the angle shooting (fair for anybody to say not to do it, but specifically having an upset tone about it seems like scum mindset).

Trying to buddy me (popping in with that “we smell like town”, especially after you had already said those were not town reads but just null reads)

Hand waving away your claim that ozy slipped. I at least argued with you about it and went back and analyzed the context of those posts from mag stealth and ozy. Gyr just shut it down and stopped.

Anyway, just by the meta alone I don’t like gyr at all here

[Frinckles]

Unfortunately that’s my meta of gyr, basically just coasting as scum. And in the short iso I see:

Being upset about the angle shooting (fair for anybody to say not to do it, but specifically having an upset tone about it seems like scum mindset).

Trying to buddy me (popping in with that “we smell like town”, especially after you had already said those were not town reads but just null reads)

Hand waving away your claim that ozy slipped. I at least argued with you about it and went back and analyzed the context of those posts from mag stealth and ozy. Gyr just shut it down and stopped.

Anyway, just by the meta alone I don’t like gyr at all here

That's a fair assessment. I dont have much more to add to any of this all, however.

Imma sit back for a while and let other people play.

[DJarJar]

So with 11 people what would a realistic setup be? 8v3? 8v2v1? 7v3v1? 7v2v2?

I mean would there likely be 3 person scum team? I would ask the setup lord @Marshmallow Marshall but I guess he can’t answer, so someone who likes to setup craft please chime in

[DJarJar]

I would think 8v3 would be normal, cuz then there can be 2 mislynches, but with stealth as the host that seems a bit TOO normal

[OzyWho]

It’s been 15-16 hours since my last post. Not that much has happened.

Voss, Octane ,Huey The Lon, PPFortress - haven’t posted at all or just said “hi”.

Aamirus, Kenny, Frinckles - pretty much the only active ones in these 16 hours and nothing has changed about them.

During this time, Aamirus and Kenny have been interrogating and questioning, adding content in the game, scumhunting and game solving. All the good stuff. @aamirus there is one strange difference in opinions between us. Light_Yagami is the 2nd highest townread for you. Was hoping maybe you could make a quick comment on it?

Frinckles, lol.
I’m sorry for being so rude now. But these past 16 hours have been nothing but OMGUS from your slot, and the reads list in #235 is just anecdotal.
Obvious that his only concern is not giving away any info after he gets lynched. I can’t mindread ofc. But I’m just not seeing it any other way.

Gyrlander, Light_Yagami, Magoroth

Magoroth townread light and scumread octane. That’s the end of his contribution in these 16 hours.
But alas, I keep Magoroth in my top 3 townreads because I do not believe that a scum would start the whole win conditions wording thing. Even mag isn’t that crazy.

Gyrlander is just a Null.

Light_Yagami
Posts #201 and #203 has said 2 opposite reads on me and aamirus. His game in Whizzbang was him only concerned about his image and never even making reads or pushes. In that game he was too careful and wouldn’t had done the same.
I can see #213 from both alignments. #215 seems more scummy than town:

By That I Mean There Have Been Many Where I Have Walked Into Town And I Have Been Scum.. But The Over All Point Has Been Made.

#220 #221 - Light and Mag both trying to form a read on each other. That behavior is one that I want to keep alive going forward. Those 2 posts alone are enough for me to say that they’re more concerned about scumhunting and gamesolving that Frinckles is.
Like, ok. He is not as scummy looking now as my first impression was of him. At the very least, he is one that I want alive going forward. Out of my D1 lynch pool.
@Light_Yagami
Your post #225 is contradicting your post #201. I hope you won’t fall into your phase where you start to forget things so early. Stay focused.

Alright everyone. Can someone just tell me if they think whether or not I’m too tunneled on Frinckles? Is it irrational for me to see these past 16 hours from him as nothing but OMGUS, his reads in #235 as him trying to not give his mates away when he gets lynched?

[Frinckles]

Yeah I'll deal with you later.

[OzyWho]

He is not as scummy looking now as my first impression was of him. At the very least, he is one that I want alive going forward. Out of my D1 lynch pool.

(meaning Light)

[OzyWho]

@aamirus
for obvious reasons, I want to know why Frinckles is your 3rd highest townread.

[Light_Yagami]

(meaning Light)

I Wanna Know Why I Cant Click On Ur Quote To Quick Search The Surrounding Context.. Is There Something You Dont Want PPL To See?

[Light_Yagami]

It’s been 15-16 hours since my last post. Not that much has happened.

Voss, Octane ,Huey The Lon, PPFortress - haven’t posted at all or just said “hi”.

Aamirus, Kenny, Frinckles - pretty much the only active ones in these 16 hours and nothing has changed about them.

During this time, Aamirus and Kenny have been interrogating and questioning, adding content in the game, scumhunting and game solving. All the good stuff. @aamirus there is one strange difference in opinions between us. Light_Yagami is the 2nd highest townread for you. Was hoping maybe you could make a quick comment on it?

Frinckles, lol.
I’m sorry for being so rude now. But these past 16 hours have been nothing but OMGUS from your slot, and the reads list in #235 is just anecdotal.
Obvious that his only concern is not giving away any info after he gets lynched. I can’t mindread ofc. But I’m just not seeing it any other way.

Gyrlander, Light_Yagami, Magoroth

Magoroth townread light and scumread octane. That’s the end of his contribution in these 16 hours.
But alas, I keep Magoroth in my top 3 townreads because I do not believe that a scum would start the whole win conditions wording thing. Even mag isn’t that crazy.

Gyrlander is just a Null.

Light_Yagami
Posts #201 and #203 has said 2 opposite reads on me and aamirus. His game in Whizzbang was him only concerned about his image and never even making reads or pushes. In that game he was too careful and wouldn’t had done the same.
I can see #213 from both alignments. #215 seems more scummy than town:
#220 #221 - Light and Mag both trying to form a read on each other. That behavior is one that I want to keep alive going forward. Those 2 posts alone are enough for me to say that they’re more concerned about scumhunting and gamesolving that Frinckles is.
Like, ok. He is not as scummy looking now as my first impression was of him. At the very least, he is one that I want alive going forward. Out of my D1 lynch pool.
@Light_Yagami
Your post #225 is contradicting your post #201. I hope you won’t fall into your phase where you start to forget things so early. Stay focused.

Alright everyone. Can someone just tell me if they think whether or not I’m too tunneled on Frinckles? Is it irrational for me to see these past 16 hours from him as nothing but OMGUS, his reads in #235 as him trying to not give his mates away when he gets lynched?

U Did It Here As Well

[Light_Yagami]

That made me suspect both of you, the way mag was ignoring it. I by the way am not scumreading you atm

Who Mag Me Or Ozy?

[DJarJar]

@aamirus
for obvious reasons, I want to know why Frinckles is your 3rd highest townread.

Kenny is my town read. Yagami and Frinckles I both had my fun with, not really sold on either but not going to lynch them today. The rest I haven’t really gotten to interact with yet, yourself included

[DJarJar]

I Wanna Know Why I Cant Click On Ur Quote To Quick Search The Surrounding Context.. Is There Something You Dont Want PPL To See?

That quote is from the wall post he just made

[Light_Yagami]

My Thought Is Aamirus Is Town.. Also, Believe You Kenny To Be Town. Thus Far. Grylander Is Pretty Null As Are The Others That Havent Spoken.. Ozy Brought Up A Good Point About The Wizzbang Game So That Could Be Scum Trying To Paint Me Or He Has A Legit Concern Over My Slot. The Fact That Mag Didnt Really Have Much To Say On The Matter Gives Him A Slight Scum Lean In My Book.

@Kenny U Ment This Yeah If Im Lynched You Would Legit Get No Info.. To Help The Game Progress.. But If Im Lynched Its A Sacrifice Im Willing To Make..

Well Other Then Aamirus Is Pushing The Lynch With Ozy Quickly Behind On The Me Train..

Please Explain How This Is A Different Read.

[Light_Yagami]

Please Explain How This Is A Different Read.

@OzyWho

[DJarJar]

Who Mag Me Or Ozy?

That was about you. Also I realized that your mood/tone that rubbed me the wrong way early on had nothing to do with the game

[Light_Yagami]

That was about you. Also I realized that your mood/tone that rubbed me the wrong way early on had nothing to do with the game

Thanks For The Clarity There..

[Frinckles]

Before I even take the time to respond to Ozy, hes going to dissapear again, isnt he.

[DJarJar]

@OzyWho

While it’s true that most of the content since your last post has been Frinckles talking about you, I would point out that most of the content is Kenny arguing with Frinckles about you and me arguing with Frinckles about you. So I don’t really think it’s a fair assessment of Frinckles just because it’s been the subject of most of the content produced by ANYBODY during that time frame

[Light_Yagami]

Spoiler : cvote :

OzyWho,Voss,Octane,Frinckles,Magoroth,Gyrlander,Hu eyTheLong,Light_Yagami,PPFortress,aamirus,Kenny,

[DJarJar]

Day1 is about halfway over and still no posts from PPFortress
@Stealthbomber16

[Light_Yagami]

Before I even take the time to respond to Ozy, hes going to dissapear again, isnt he.

Most Likely..

[Ganelon]

Unfortunately that’s my meta of gyr, basically just coasting as scum. And in the short iso I see:

Being upset about the angle shooting (fair for anybody to say not to do it, but specifically having an upset tone about it seems like scum mindset).

Trying to buddy me (popping in with that “we smell like town”, especially after you had already said those were not town reads but just null reads)

Hand waving away your claim that ozy slipped. I at least argued with you about it and went back and analyzed the context of those posts from mag stealth and ozy. Gyr just shut it down and stopped.

Anyway, just by the meta alone I don’t like gyr at all here

I would rather think that people manifesting aggression as a response to the rolecard fiasco is town indicative because scum could just not give a crap

[Ganelon]

So with 11 people what would a realistic setup be? 8v3? 8v2v1? 7v3v1? 7v2v2?

I mean would there likely be 3 person scum team? I would ask the setup lord @Marshmallow Marshall but I guess he can’t answer, so someone who likes to setup craft please chime in

8v3 sounds p fucking imbalanced to me.
assuming one kpn and one lynch per day that brings us to 2 deaths per day, that’s LyLo in 2 days. Note that this is assuming there are no other killing roles, which seems reasonable if 8v3 is a thing.
i think 8v2v1 is our best bet tbh

[Kenny]

@OzyWho

While it’s true that most of the content since your last post has been Frinckles talking about you, I would point out that most of the content is Kenny arguing with Frinckles about you and me arguing with Frinckles about you. So I don’t really think it’s a fair assessment of Frinckles just because it’s been the subject of most of the content produced by ANYBODY during that time frame

Most of the day has been me arguing with Frinckles about whether or not his assessment of Ozy's post (post 103) is legitimate, with later on adding in possible wincon slips into the argument.

I'm biased here, because from my experience every single time I've had these long-ass arguments over single posts with players, mostly Distorted, they ended up flipping scum, but I'm convinced that just starting and going on with that kinda defense is a scum strategy. Looking back I also still don't see post 103 in a good light at all. The wincon arguments are the only posts at all made by Frinckles which I can get behind, and I'd safely say they are the reason we dropped the argument. They are also logical arguments though, and not at all founded on something we are able to verify.

If we lynch a random nullposter I'll be disappointed in this forum.
Ozy is a better lynch than a nullposter, even with a townflip, unless every single read of mine is entirely wrong.
Frinckles' defense of Voss makes Voss a better lynch than the other nullposters.

[Kenny]

8v3 sounds p fucking imbalanced to me.
assuming one kpn and one lynch per day that brings us to 2 deaths per day, that’s LyLo in 2 days. Note that this is assuming there are no other killing roles, which seems reasonable if 8v3 is a thing.
i think 8v2v1 is our best bet tbh

Stealth enjoyed Agumon's revenge a lot. Idk, but at some point today I've gotten the feeling this is what we're dealing with.

[Ganelon]

If it’s 8v3 I suspect there’s a protective or a role blocker of some sort out there.
with 8v2v1 it’s still LyLo in 2 days, possibly, but town gets to play kingmaker and scum can lose in two days, just like the town. That is assuming the third party has zero KPn, which seems likely
Given the balance

so, probably no more than 2kpn, and I’d say it’s likely an 8v2v1. I don’t think 7v2v2 is possible, unless one of the scum teams has no KPN, or perhaps neither of them do.

The reason I don’t think we can have more than two KPN is bc, as a host, if I had a hidden setup
i particularly cared about, I wouldn’t want it to end in three days. It’s bad.

[Ganelon]

So there probably is no other KPN apart from the scum team (if they have one? non-killing scum are p rare on this site), and possibly a town vigilante of some sort out there. But I’d say that’s about it.

has anyone received any interesting info AT ALL in their rolecard?

[Ganelon]

I don’t think we should discuss what the third party could be, if there is such a thing, bc it could literally be fucking anything apart from some serial killer, most likely
it’s also possible the KPN is actually in the serial killer

[Ganelon]

given the info that’s on the table I’d say that’s about it.

with respect to the Ozy thing, if Stealth wanted to throw us off by making two wincons identically worded I don’t see why not. And I don’t agree that they have to be separate roles for it to make sense.

[Ganelon]

To be very exact my wincon states to remove anyone who isn’t town.
and that I’m green.

[Ganelon]

something I also consider unlikely is the possibility of there being borderline bastard roles such as Actress, or Tailor. So there’s that. It’s probably a relatively normal game I would say. I know my own role is normal.

[Ganelon]

Depending on whether or not there’s multiple scum teams, Stealth might choose to reveal the setup.
Or, not. Idk

Ngl this is interesting
One other thing, please reveal any potentially useful info you may have.

Lastly, I don’t think stealth would include any ridiculous roles like reality bender.
it just doesn’t make sense to me
not that it would make sense anyways.
changing the topic, what do you all think of @Gyrlander
Hes awfully quiet this game

[Ganelon]

MM would probably yell at me for angle shooting
Eh.

[Gyrlander]

Spoiler : cvote :

Gyrlander,Magoroth,Voss,Octane,HueyTheLong,PPFortr ess,OzyWho,Frinckles,Light_Yagami,Kenny,aamirus,

Did i do it right? And omg Voss that tool is amazing, I thought it would be a nightmare to use on mobile but it’s PERFECTION

Wut? Is using "we" that scummy? My jesus

[Frinckles]

Depending on whether or not there’s multiple scum teams, Stealth might choose to reveal the setup.
Or, not. Idk

Ngl this is interesting
One other thing, please reveal any potentially useful info you may have.

Lastly, I don’t think stealth would include any ridiculous roles like reality bender.
it just doesn’t make sense to me
not that it would make sense anyways.
changing the topic, what do you all think of @Gyrlander
Hes awfully quiet this game

MM would probably yell at me for angle shooting
Eh.

I think you should relax and scum hunt for now. Your expectations of our host seem a bit too low.

Do you think Ozy slipped? Post #200 for what it's worth. Not sure if you've commented on it yet, I may have missed it.

[Gyrlander]

Unfortunately that’s my meta of gyr, basically just coasting as scum. And in the short iso I see:

Being upset about the angle shooting (fair for anybody to say not to do it, but specifically having an upset tone about it seems like scum mindset).

Trying to buddy me (popping in with that “we smell like town”, especially after you had already said those were not town reads but just null reads)

Hand waving away your claim that ozy slipped. I at least argued with you about it and went back and analyzed the context of those posts from mag stealth and ozy. Gyr just shut it down and stopped.

Anyway, just by the meta alone I don’t like gyr at all here

The current situation is that I don't feel any need or east way to enter the conversation you two are having. And you are literally almost whole day 1. So, its hard.

And aamirus rejected me.

[DJarJar]

Well mine doesn’t say to kill all non town, but to eliminate all that are a “threat” to the town. But maybe I’m reading too much into that distinction

[Ganelon]

I think you should relax and scum hunt for now. Your expectations of our host seem a bit too low.

Do you think Ozy slipped? Post #200 for what it's worth. Not sure if you've commented on it yet, I may have missed it.

If this is the one where Ozy said he had the same rolecard as me or whatever, then no. It seems like a bizarre slip to make.

[DJarJar]

The current situation is that I don't feel any need or east way to enter the conversation you two are having. And you are literally almost whole day 1. So, its hard.

And aamirus rejected me.

No bby I would never

[Ganelon]

Well mine doesn’t say to kill all non town, but to eliminate all that are a “threat” to the town. But maybe I’m reading too much into that distinction

I’d like to think they’re identical wincons

[DJarJar]

I’d like to think they’re identical wincons

But yours specifically says to kill all non town? Because that implies that there are no neutrals that can win with town, whereas mine doesn’t necessarily imply that

[Ganelon]

By the way.
I’ll start.
We’re not voting for a lynch.
were voting for a mayor. You all need to vote me today.

[Ganelon]

But yours specifically says to kill all non town? Because that implies that there are no neutrals that can win with town, whereas mine doesn’t necessarily imply that

It quite literally says I need to remove anyone who isn’t town

[Voss]

I have read it and I don’t understand how you went from tunneling on Kenny as scum to calling him a town that is just being manipulated by ozy.

i'm not going to stream of consciousness all the posts, but this is why aamirus is becoming my #1 town read.

catching up and posting my thoughts on the game state with an updated bird vote.

[Gyrlander]

Depending on whether or not there’s multiple scum teams, Stealth might choose to reveal the setup.
Or, not. Idk

Ngl this is interesting
One other thing, please reveal any potentially useful info you may have.

Lastly, I don’t think stealth would include any ridiculous roles like reality bender.
it just doesn’t make sense to me
not that it would make sense anyways.
changing the topic, what do you all think of @Gyrlander
Hes awfully quiet this game

I have never seen people using me to change the topic of discussion so much lol.

Normally when I'm Town I don't do much until I decide someone is worth defending to death (or the opposite) and then I get mislynched for it.