S-FM 292: ★ Silent Night ★ [14P]

[Frinckles]

An adaptation of Harvest Festival, inspired by La Cosa Nostra
Presented by Frinckles & Aivon


Welcome! Role cards will be distributed on Sunday and the game will begin on Monday. Remember to read the setup carefully! There are examples and explanations for roles such as Ornamentalist, List-Maker, Actress and Caroler. If you have any questions do not hesitate to message Aivon or myself on here or on Discord. I'll do my best to make this post an updated hub for easy-to-find information as the game progresses.

★ Game Info ★

Day Two / Day Three
Day Four / Day Five
Day Six / Day Seven

Setup / Post Count
The ISO links on the table will be added as players post.

Name	Status	Role	ISO
Marshall Marshmallow	Alive	?	ISO
Huey The Long	Dead	Holiday Patron	ISO
Solid D.	Alive	?	ISO
Varcron	Dead	Sleepwalker	ISO
Caustic	Dead	Lover	ISO
OzyWho	Dead	Holiday Patron	ISO
Stealthbomber16	Alive	?	ISO
Kovath	Dead	?	ISO
Chip Skylark	Alive	?	ISO
Blinkskater	Alive	?	ISO
Efekannn	Dead	Holiday Patron	ISO
Magoroth	Alive	?	ISO
Aamirus	Alive	?	ISO
Light_Yagami	Alive	?	ISO

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48H Days / 24H Nights
Plurality Lynch
Last Wills / Death Notes allowed
Role Revealed Upon Death
Memory / LW / DN Upon Death


Goodluck, have fun. (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ

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Game will begin Monday at 4:00PM Central Time

[Frinckles]

Day One

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

Remember to stay active and player to win.

Thanks again everyone for joining.
The game has begun.
★ GLHF ★

8 votes to hammer.

Plurality Lynch

[OzyWho]

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Hey, guys!
I was hoping that, with your help, we could try a little experiment this game?
Everyone whenever they read a statement or a question or anything of interest - quote it and simply write "+1" or "-1". That shouldn't be much to ask tbh.

• It is easier to write off a voice as coming from a mafia, unreasonable town, or crazy person than it is to write off two, three, or four voices all saying the same thing. Then we know where to look at.
• Collective problem solving and communication in a highly paranoid environment is more effective because whenever 2 players are arguing - they are likely to have skewed versions of the conflict if they do not have the voices around them offering perspectives. Town can be expected to ask more questions of town than they will ask of mafia. Mafia can be expected to ask more questions of town than they will ask of mafia. The numbers of the game set up make this a fact.
• Town often have every reason to moderate their position by hearing the opinions of other townies, as opposed to mafia who may be looking to simplify their day by letting one simple encounter define how they vote or how they contribute for the day. Meaning that as the game progresses, the mafia will simply have fewer and fewer corners to hide in, while town will be consistently encouraged to not get tunneled.

I know a lot of people are often in the mindset of observing and solving the game on their own. Some even go as far as not making posts on their own while they judge everyone elses content. That's not team work, and no town could ever win if everyone would do that.

What I'm asking in this little experiment is not much. Just a little voice from everyone in everything. Play your regular games, except add those little "+" and "-". Seeing where is agreement and where is disagreement can only be good for the town.

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I'm one of the green guys this game. But I had a Day1 plan for either alignment. For one thing - as a red guy I wouldn't had asked for this little experiment.

But I want to tell you guys what I would had done if I were a red:
I would had made a general "pro town behavior" list and asked my fellow red's to do those things for the first 24 hours. Then, at the 24 hour mark, I would had posted these 2 tables and thereby gotten all mafia to be in the town core and powerwolf our way to victory. The first table is Pro-Town behavior, the 2nd table is Anti-Town behavior. I publish those now in the hopes that they will encourage players to act in a town favored manner:

	Being active	Asking probing questions	Providing a conclusion	Putting in effort into the game	SCUM HUNTING	Making new points	Observing reactions
MM
Huey
Solid
Varcron
Caustic
OzyWho
SB16
Korvoth
Naz/Voss
Blink
Efe
Mag
Aamirus
Yagami

	Posting WAY too much	Posting too little	Extreme WIFOM	Low effort posting	Too careful/self aware	IIoA (information instead of analysis)	Sheeping too much
MM			YES
Huey
Solid
Varcron
Caustic
OzyWho
SB16
Korvoth
Naz/Voss
Blink
Efe
Mag
Aamirus
Yagami

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Dashing through the snow
In a one-horse sloping sleigh
Joker’s on the go,
laughing all the way
The bells on Penguins ring
Make Riddler wanna fight
Two-Face wants to flip a coin
And sing this song tonight

Jingle bells, Batman smells
Robin laid an egg
the Batmobile lost a wheel
and the Joker got away. Hey!

Batman's in the kitchen.
Robin's in the hall
Joker's in the bathroom
peeing on the wall.

Bane escaped the pit
and he showed up too
but he ate an Epic Meal
and he had to take a poo. Oh!

Jingle bells, Batman smells
Robin laid an egg
the Batmobile lost a wheel
and the Joker got away. Hey!

@Marshmallow Marshall
its just a joke bro
@aamirus
so much for being a reserve, ehh?
@Caustic
I don't recognize your name

[OzyWho]

Tbh, the fact that it is Plurality lynch means that Mafia, most likely, will only slip up SoD's and EoD's. While our best bet is night actions and mechanically win.

Can I get any +'s and -'s for this?


Also, hi everyone. <3

[blinkskater]

yeah i'll pass

[OzyWho]

"8 votes to lynch.

Plurality Lynch" @Frinckles @AIVION
ehm... majority or plurality is it?

[OzyWho]

yeah i'll pass

your choice

-vote blinkskater

[Stealthbomber16]

IM NOT 3P THIS GAME!

[blinkskater]

tbh i stopped reading that, after the first sentence lol

-vote marshmallow marshall

[Stealthbomber16]

WE FUCKING DID IT BOYS

[Stealthbomber16]

tbh i stopped reading that, after the first sentence lol

-vote marshmallow marshall

+1

[blinkskater]

IM NOT 3P THIS GAME!

It says under your name perpetual neutral tho lol

[Stealthbomber16]

+ - thing is actually quite garbage because it minimizes contributions and discourages expansion of thought

Say I submit “Yagami is scum because X” and blink says “Yagami is scum because Y”

You’re encouraging blink to not submit Y- leaving us with less discussion about Yagami.

[blinkskater]

+ - thing is actually quite garbage because it minimizes contributions and discourages expansion of thought

Say I submit “Yagami is scum because X” and blink says “Yagami is scum because Y”

You’re encouraging blink to not submit Y- leaving us with less discussion about Yagami.

also gives scum a blanket to hide under or crutch to lean on IMO.

[Stealthbomber16]

also gives scum a blanket to hide under or crutch to lean on IMO.

Perfect example.

If we followed ozy then you would’ve just said +1 and we wouldn’t get this extra info.

[Kovath]

blah blah dimension reduction problem blah blah

[Kovath]

Hello friends, looking forward to this one.

[blinkskater]

Perfect example.

If we followed ozy then you would’ve just said +1 and we wouldn’t get this extra info.

+-3.1459

[OzyWho]

+ - thing is actually quite garbage because it minimizes contributions and discourages expansion of thought

Say I submit “Yagami is scum because X” and blink says “Yagami is scum because Y”

You’re encouraging blink to not submit Y- leaving us with less discussion about Yagami.

I never said to keep it down to only those. But to write those as a MINIMUM.

I'm surprised you're not a fan of the idea, given that you were in the last game. But I guess you were neutral, so it didn't bother you, it helped you. In that sense, are you a neutral again? That's cool because 1 neutral is guaranteed pro-town, while the other is more probably pro town than pro mafia.

[Kovath]

That feel when I am going down in Sc2Mafia lore as both Kovath and Korvoth

[OzyWho]

Perfect example.

If we followed ozy then you would’ve just said +1 and we wouldn’t get this extra info.

Honestly, where comes this miscomunication from? I never intended to suggest "yeah everyone, lets only write + and - and nothing else, ever"...

[OzyWho]

+-3.1459

that missing 1 between 4 and 5.... :@ :@ :@

[Ganelon]

I hardclaim Town Godfather

[Frinckles]

That feel when I am going down in Sc2Mafia lore as both Kovath and Korvoth

Fixed.

I'll be adding live links to ISO pages on the first post as people join into the game.

Not sure if you guys will use them, it was more of a personal preference tbh

[OzyWho]

-vote marshmallow marshall

For being only 15 minutes before the game start but not being here when it actually does. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Seeing that it's Plurality lynch (even though it says 8 votes to lynch..) and that almost nobody is online at the start of game.. see you all in 40 hours i guess.

[Ganelon]

Aight boys lemme read the setup properly again, for our dear host has told me I should read it very carefully and missa afraid I missed something

[blinkskater]

that missing 1 between 4 and 5.... :@ :@ :@

lol, i'm more of a mafia guy tbh, math and any type of proper grammar will not happen from me.

It's been a while since I played with you, I do get scum vibrations from your first post though, there was some self meta from you I'm not really a fan of.

[Ganelon]

yeah i'll pass

Same

[Ganelon]

lol, i'm more of a mafia guy tbh, math and any type of proper grammar will not happen from me.

It's been a while since I played with you, I do get scum vibrations from your first post though, there was some self meta from you I'm not really a fan of.

i also did, chumpeh in my pocket and swear fealty to the King of Sweden for IKEA demands it

[blinkskater]

I hardclaim Town Godfather

Only scum would claim a role not i the game, we got him boyz, let's blow this popsicle stand.

-vote magoroth

[blinkskater]

i also did, chumpeh in my pocket and swear fealty to the King of Sweden for IKEA demands it

lol tbh

[Ganelon]

Perfect example.

If we followed ozy then you would’ve just said +1 and we wouldn’t get this extra info.

This is true. What’s your current take on Ozy?

[blinkskater]

@Frinckles tbh

[Ganelon]

Only scum would claim a role not i the game, we got him boyz, let's blow this popsicle stand.

-vote magoroth

Wdym it’s not in the game, I’m town Godfather

[blinkskater]

Wdym it’s not in the game, I’m town Godfather

I didn't see 'town godfather' in the roles list why you gotta lie bruh

[OzyWho]

lol, i'm more of a mafia guy tbh, math and any type of proper grammar will not happen from me.

It's been a while since I played with you, I do get scum vibrations from your first post though, there was some self meta from you I'm not really a fan of.

Yeah, self meta is very wolfy.
And so is creating a positive image of oneself at SoG.
I can totally see you leaning me scum for that.

However, if you would put in any thought on what effect that post might bring, I don't think you could possibly think it would come from a wolf.

About you though - you see a post that strickly encouradges players to participate in every discussion, at the very least at bare minimum if nothing else - and you dislike it?
I'm not sure how can that be a pro town attitude.

@Magoroth
It would be appreciated if we could get something more than "Same" from you. I know you can make arguments.

[OzyWho]

This is true. What’s your current take on Ozy?

I see you saw this post. And you saw much later posts. But you didn't see my posts between them? How comes?
I don't know the english word for it. But it's some dedicated "i will ignore these specific posts" from you.

[Ganelon]

Also 1v1 me, I’m gonna have a big towny voice this game I feel

[blinkskater]

Yeah, self meta is very wolfy.
And so is creating a positive image of oneself at SoG.
I can totally see you leaning me scum for that.

However, if you would put in any thought on what effect that post might bring, I don't think you could possibly think it would come from a wolf.

About you though - you see a post that strickly encouradges players to participate in every discussion, at the very least at bare minimum if nothing else - and you dislike it?
I'm not sure how can that be a pro town attitude.

@Magoroth
It would be appreciated if we could get something more than "Same" from you. I know you can make arguments.

I dislike what I think your intent to be from posting it. I do want players to be active I just think your post overall isn't a good way to promote it. So yeah I do dislike your post lol

Pinging players and yelling at them to give their reads on certain things is far more simple and IMO it will yield better results, people don't wanna make mafia into a freakin chart man they just want to play it.
.
I like the way you scum paint me for disliking your post and then saying I dislike something that promotes positive blah blah blah, yeah i'll jot this down into my notes

[Ganelon]

IM NOT 3P THIS GAME!

Implicit mafia claim lynch lynch

-vote Stealthbomber16

[blinkskater]

I see you saw this post. And you saw much later posts. But you didn't see my posts between them? How comes?
I don't know the english word for it. But it's some dedicated "i will ignore these specific posts" from you.

the word is wolfy

[DJarJar]

this started already? oof

[Ganelon]

Yeah, self meta is very wolfy.
And so is creating a positive image of oneself at SoG.
I can totally see you leaning me scum for that.

However, if you would put in any thought on what effect that post might bring, I don't think you could possibly think it would come from a wolf.

About you though - you see a post that strickly encouradges players to participate in every discussion, at the very least at bare minimum if nothing else - and you dislike it?
I'm not sure how can that be a pro town attitude.

@Magoroth
It would be appreciated if we could get something more than "Same" from you. I know you can make arguments.

I don’t feel like +1/-1 is a good way of generating discussion because it abstracts away the details, it doesn’t actually tell you why a player feels that way nor does it let them actually participate in discussion. I appreciate your concern but I don’t think that’s the proper way of doing it

[Kovath]

this started already? oof

Frinckles salivating at the mouth to get this going tbh

[OzyWho]

Is it angelshooting to it suspicious that MM was online 15 minutes before the game start, but is not now?

We know from the setup's "basic mechanics"

[middle]This setup is day-start: There are no Night Zero checks, kills, loves or chats.
The Mafia will know who their partners are but not their roles.
The Holiday Angel will know their random target but not their role.[/middle]

It says Mafia have chat only when the game starts, and I'm suspicious wether or not MM went there first.
As I said, not sure if it's angel shooting or not.

But I would like to know when I will finally get an answer on post #6
I know it says plurality. But it also says "8 votes to lynch". Those 2 contradict each other, right?

[DJarJar]

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Hey, guys!
I was hoping that, with your help, we could try a little experiment this game?
Everyone whenever they read a statement or a question or anything of interest - quote it and simply write "+1" or "-1". That shouldn't be much to ask tbh.

• It is easier to write off a voice as coming from a mafia, unreasonable town, or crazy person than it is to write off two, three, or four voices all saying the same thing. Then we know where to look at.
• Collective problem solving and communication in a highly paranoid environment is more effective because whenever 2 players are arguing - they are likely to have skewed versions of the conflict if they do not have the voices around them offering perspectives. Town can be expected to ask more questions of town than they will ask of mafia. Mafia can be expected to ask more questions of town than they will ask of mafia. The numbers of the game set up make this a fact.
• Town often have every reason to moderate their position by hearing the opinions of other townies, as opposed to mafia who may be looking to simplify their day by letting one simple encounter define how they vote or how they contribute for the day. Meaning that as the game progresses, the mafia will simply have fewer and fewer corners to hide in, while town will be consistently encouraged to not get tunneled.

I know a lot of people are often in the mindset of observing and solving the game on their own. Some even go as far as not making posts on their own while they judge everyone elses content. That's not team work, and no town could ever win if everyone would do that.

What I'm asking in this little experiment is not much. Just a little voice from everyone in everything. Play your regular games, except add those little "+" and "-". Seeing where is agreement and where is disagreement can only be good for the town.

---

---

I'm one of the green guys this game. But I had a Day1 plan for either alignment. For one thing - as a red guy I wouldn't had asked for this little experiment.

But I want to tell you guys what I would had done if I were a red:
I would had made a general "pro town behavior" list and asked my fellow red's to do those things for the first 24 hours. Then, at the 24 hour mark, I would had posted these 2 tables and thereby gotten all mafia to be in the town core and powerwolf our way to victory. The first table is Pro-Town behavior, the 2nd table is Anti-Town behavior. I publish those now in the hopes that they will encourage players to act in a town favored manner:

	Being active	Asking probing questions	Providing a conclusion	Putting in effort into the game	SCUM HUNTING	Making new points	Observing reactions
MM
Huey
Solid
Varcron
Caustic
OzyWho
SB16
Korvoth
Naz/Voss
Blink
Efe
Mag
Aamirus
Yagami

	Posting WAY too much	Posting too little	Extreme WIFOM	Low effort posting	Too careful/self aware	IIoA (information instead of analysis)	Sheeping too much
MM			YES
Huey
Solid
Varcron
Caustic
OzyWho
SB16
Korvoth
Naz/Voss
Blink
Efe
Mag
Aamirus
Yagami

---

Dashing through the snow
In a one-horse sloping sleigh
Joker’s on the go,
laughing all the way
The bells on Penguins ring
Make Riddler wanna fight
Two-Face wants to flip a coin
And sing this song tonight

Jingle bells, Batman smells
Robin laid an egg
the Batmobile lost a wheel
and the Joker got away. Hey!

Batman's in the kitchen.
Robin's in the hall
Joker's in the bathroom
peeing on the wall.

Bane escaped the pit
and he showed up too
but he ate an Epic Meal
and he had to take a poo. Oh!

Jingle bells, Batman smells
Robin laid an egg
the Batmobile lost a wheel
and the Joker got away. Hey!

@Marshmallow Marshall
its just a joke bro
@aamirus
so much for being a reserve, ehh?
@Caustic
I don't recognize your name

i'm not reading this

[blinkskater]

this started already? oof

oh great who invited aamirus

[Ganelon]

I see you saw this post. And you saw much later posts. But you didn't see my posts between them? How comes?
I don't know the english word for it. But it's some dedicated "i will ignore these specific posts" from you.

I don’t read in a chronological order soz.

[OzyWho]

I don’t feel like +1/-1 is a good way of generating discussion because it abstracts away the details, it doesn’t actually tell you why a player feels that way nor does it let them actually participate in discussion. I appreciate your concern but I don’t think that’s the proper way of doing it

I feel like it's my failure of miscommunication.
I have no clue why or how everyone thinks I want people ONLY write +/-. The idea was to make them do it ADDITIONALLY to their regular play. As for example players who can't make more posts than host per game day, have them post at least something and show that they at the very least are reading the thread.

[Kovath]

Majority lynch, plurality otherwise I guess