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@Voss does this make the game end?
Everyone that has locked in end day early is voting SB. I assume it does?
-vote end day early
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@naz
I lock in if that needs to be said
I think you have already been counted. It's only SB who hasn't now, so based off what Voss said this day should be over in a moment.
Lol there is a 4 way tie for #2 lynch priority
2nd place doesn't mean diddly shit.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Omg why isn't this day ending
@Voss do u have no power to end days? I thought you were in tandem with naz
Go go go @naz release us
scrambled eggs
Game Over!
@Stealthbomber16 was lynched !
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The MAFIA wins - @Frinckles (Godfather), @Unknown1234 / @Kenny (Consort), @Light_Yagami (Framer)
All Rolecards:
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Host Notes:
GG - hope you guys had fun til that last day. I had fun making and hosting this setup. I looked up mafia in Cosa Nostra, and stealth's name was actually the son of a mafia family who had betrayed the mafia code. He also murdered a 12 year old, which is what Efe is named after and blink and mesk were his parents LOL. I took a page out of @Cryptonic 's book when I made the names up, and I was scared that it was too town-sided when I had made the mafia/scum have the same last name and three towns that had the same last name, so I came up with that bit of flavor. A shame Efe was town, since he can't play right and actually prove himself town. You guys fell short by trying to rely on meta too much, and got convinced out of the cop's red (but the paranoia was fine there). Epic 4 way tie that hardly saved the game for town, but both scums killed Mag, ending any chance for town to win. If stealth had been lynched the game would have been instantly over.
Link to mafia/dead chat: https://discord.gg/mu5NeUd
hi, question on same terms:
hedging
echoing
FoS (its in wiki but not explained really..)
bird voting
king making
difference between buddying and sheeping. (on wiki they both sound the same to me)
By the way, why is the website offline like 10 times a day?
Edit: if wolfing is just acting scummy - why not just say "acting scummy"? and if someone says someone is "open wolfing" or whatever, is it an accusation of being scum?
Last edited by OzyWho; October 27th, 2019 at 12:43 AM.
I got a couple of improvements on the bird voting, because random sucks.
How does everyone feel that if there are ties, the least scummiest person resolves ties. (Fun fact if this was in play, Day 3 wouldn't have been changed)
Also, improvement 2: Since condorcet voting is designed to not care about what others are voting, I'm thinking about hiding votes during the last tenth of the day, but making votes public after EoD. It seemed people were trying to swing the end of day vote by putting the consensus #1 vote as their last vote. Which didn't do much except destabilize the rankings such that anyone could vault up to the top.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
King making is when you decide a winning faction but you've already 100% lost or won.
town was kingmaker in this game.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Also, as I said, I don't feel bad about losing this game. If town members are going to claim vigilante once 4/3 real TPRs claim, they're not really playing optimally.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
After Efe, I/we had Frinkles and Yagami as priority #2 and priority #3 lynch at EoD Day 2. The game could have been a lot different.
Note, I'm not saying that mafia don't deserve their win, nor didn't play well.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Lastly, if I was alive in that end game scenario I would have done the following
- Ask SK to kill a mafia
- Ask mafia to kill no one
- Skip day
- wait for next day.
next here are the scenarios.
- if mafia and and sk kill 2 town, sk auto wins this scenario
- if mafia and sk double tap 1 town, side with mafia
- if mafia kills town and sk kills scum, side with sk
- if mafia kills no one and sk kills town, side with mafia
- if mafia kills no one, and sk kills mafia, town wins
@rumox
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
GG to my team for managing to pull off the win, and to Kenny for managing to fit in well with my abnormal gameplay.
Props to naz for managing to keep the game together despite some bumps along the way. Hopefully I'll see you hosting games more in the future.
Also props to Stealth for evading sk suspicion for the majority of the game and to MM for calling me scum where most people couldn't see. If it wasn't for my risky play I would have no doubt been lynched day 2, convincing the sheriff to suspect me enough to check me. To anyone that was wondering, the Tracker claim was NOT planned, it was me taking an educated guess on Magoroth's role based on a post he he made about him having information nobody wanted. I figured I needed to take a risk or I was going to be lynched anyways, and I always try to have a backup plan in mind in case something like that happens.
I apologize to those in the game for having to replace out. I understand how difficult it can be to have to read two different people on one slot. Real life circumstances came up that made it too difficult to dedicate any time to the game. Glad Kenny was able to step in as quick as he did.
Good game for the most part. WP @Unknown1234 and @Kenny for picking up where Unknown god fake claim left off. Sorry @Stealthbomber16 I tried but just wanted the game to end rather than convince rest of town to lynch Frinckles lol.
-vote Unknown/Kenny
Efekannn game threw, congrats on ruining another game. Every game I have played with him as been shit like this but people defend him and say they can "meta read him fine" or something. Kinda sick of the excuses for him cause he is just going to keep doing it. It's also a shame no one payed attention to my post that Efekannn was #1 and #2 priority in basically everyone's list meaning he was being pushed by scum as well (Only Magoroth and Yagami didn't have him in top #3 IIRC). I don't really fault town for lynching him tho, what a joke. Won't be signing any future games with him in it.
Last edited by rumox; October 27th, 2019 at 01:59 AM.
P sure town wins this with a normal voting system
Sb16 why u kill me bruh u were 4th in my poe =(
This isn't where i parked my car.....
Hi.
1. Hedging i believe is just another term for "fence sittin." Like ozzy cant commit to if naz is town or scum because hes probally scum and knows giving a read on naz wouldnt be good. Hence ozzy is hedging on naz.
2.echoing is just pretty much repeating what another player has said in the thread. Seems like ozzy was just echoing nazs reads on efekan. Does she really agree with them or is she just yaking content that looks good and reposting it.
3.fos is i think just the player the thread is focousing on. Like fos on ozzy right now because of yesterdays EOD.
4. Bird voting is just the voting system we used this game. It wasnt majority it was an offsite bot that i have no idea on how it works boss can help u there.
5.king making was explained already i think.
6. sheeping is just seemingly blindly following a player's Vote or read on somebody. Buddying is being nice to somebody or trying to reiterate their reeds so that they don't suspect you or it could be also used if your town like somebody that you strongly Town read you want a buddy up to them so that they trust you.
7. Open wolfing is just another way of saying that you're openly playing scum in the thread it's just different terminology as you come across different sites they use scum some use wolf
This isn't where i parked my car.....
Most that stuff is explained pretty well on the mafiascum wiki (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...egory:Glossary)
FoS = Finger of Suspicion
Hedging I'm not sure there even is a clear definition for. I'd think it's about building a hedge around yourself, as to not become the target for kill or lynch. It can also be taking the suspicion onto others for that same purpose. Usually doing so is seen as a bad strategy for disposable roles like citizen, which is why it's often used as argument for a scumread.
Howdy, GG to the mafia bois. I think i played decently well as cop given its my first time ever playing the role, i think the game went decently enough besides Efe fucking it all up so ya know. Also as a geezer who dont like meta i gotta agree with the host here people on this site use meta wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much i feel and ive only been three games in.
Share Our Wealth, for not Sharing the wealth leaves the risk of dying when the communist arrive, and we dont want communist now do we.
So I looked up a bit more on hedging and there are definitely two definitions.
One what I said above about protecting oneself.
Another what blink probably meant but didn't quite get right.
Fence sitting is about literally being indecisive between multiple choices and really not committing to one.
Hedging doesn't require one to have multiple choices, but just describes the act of adding anything to one's speech to lower its significance or express room for error etc. Wikipedia has a page with a few examples. Beginning a sentence with anything implying something similar to "someone else than me might know better" would be one.
I definitely hedged a fair bit this game.
There are definitely a lot of players that visibly have a "I need to do this to not look scummy because my town meta requires it" mindset, which is terrible. I agree. Noone should play like that, no decent player also reads like that.
I disagree about Efe ruining this game though. Just pointing a finger at him postgame is already bad sportsmanship honestly, but that's a different topic.
Like, yea, Efe trolled a fair bit and even threw a random sk claim out, but I believe he made it clear enough it wasn't serious. Even if it was, I would've only considered it as part of wifom. He gave some reads and had a decent overall game presence, even when ignoring his troll posts.
Birdbot is tpr
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Every vote system is always mafia sided though. That's one of the strongest tools an organized minority has to gain an edge in this game.
Doesn't really do that much on the core aspect whether birdbot decides to vote pro town or be neutral about it.
Bird votes combined with the blitz as seen this game allows the mafia to practically gain double vote power anyway. They can vote one of their own, pro town, and offset everyone's reads, shifting them in their favor like that. EoD they can then blitz and gain a double vote from the cancelled pro town vote and the added pro mafia vote. The strongest vote in birdbot is one of a player who shifts their read entirely by 180°.