Here I will go first.
I read MM as town over Kenny because Unknown's predetermination to scum read Mag as SK, then follow him feels more like a guise as scum to have a potential fake claim if red checked. It's just pure coincidental luck that he happened to have correct "night feedback". Mafia not rb'ing N1 seems weird so I see that as a legitimate RB, ergo MM is Town. We have 2 mechanically proven Tracker claims. It's not an easy lynch, but given the circumstances I lean MM being town.
Now you.
You want me to talk to you about your alignment? Fine. I thought you were towny until you started pushing me here when my lynch is a town loss.
Like realize that I know my own alignment. If Kenny was scum here he would just agree with you and let me be lynched here because that would be a win for him.
So we are both town(y). Okay well POE you are scum.
Anyway, I'm sorry RL has affected my read on you. I'll end it here.
@Frinckles
@Light_Yagami
Get punged. Come to me.
also, no you are no longer towny.
I'm not trying to piss you off I legitimately want to figure out the scum, so if you want to to as well let's talk.
People can have wrong reads. You have honestly not done a lot for yourself to be town read, surely you understand that. Also how easy it is to say a citizen didn't move as scum? The TPR claims are out, it's obvious who the Citizens will be.
Unknown was, as far as I can tell, the only one who scumread Mag day 1. He used his tracker check to verify his assumption. What in the world makes that a guise that makes any sense for scum?
MM claimed tracker out of self defense after a weak push day 1, then gave no results, claiming to be blocked.
Yesterday, day 2, MM has been actually pushing me. At that time it wasn't that clear it's between us two and there was still the idea of Huey being possibly actress, which as I have found out tonight, is not possible, as they need to visit who they want to appear as. I pointed that out today. MM has put up very weak play yesterday after Voss and I started blocking any tpr votes. He was barely contributing at all.
Today, MM literally started pushing stealth out of nowhere. From MM's pov I should've always been 100% mafia today. The only reason I can see for pushing stealth is MM guessing he was sk from the point he started the push.
That point was fairly late in the day. I revealed my track 1 hour after day start and before MM's reveal already played sk indicative gambits, like my hidden code post to name one example.
From a town pov pushing a lynch towards someone who appears sk makes no sense. It is the actual ideal play for mafia on the other hand. They straight up win from succeding, they gain townpoints as tracker when the sk reveals.
This is just the mechanical part. MM is generally bad at mechanics, so at least his pushes aren't as indicative as they would be on others. He literally always goes inactive after being pushed and revealed as scum though.
I'd say in my case mechanics are pretty telling. I have a good scum game and can be easily pushed when I'm not in a good standing, simply because I'm capable of good play. Blink trying to fear-lynch me every 2nd game is proof of that.
I'll go read MM's recent posts.
MM didn't claim Tracker day 1, it was at the start of day 2 and he claimed he was rb'd first before claiming but that was a few days ago now so whatevz. Solid points. Where did he suddenly get the idea that SB was SK? With SB's claim it seems like he must've slipped somewhere. I thought Frinckles was SK tbh
I'm looking at this from the perspective where MM is always scum.
We had 5 citizen claims.
Yagami
DS
Rumox
Frinckles
Stealth
DS was cleared by me. That leaves 4. 2 of the citizen claims always have to be scum.
Considering Frinckles openly acts a lot like an sk, yes I agree that Frinckles would be the most likely suspect. I definitely was viewing him as sk too, and probably still would be if stealth hadn't claimed. I don't even know why he did that, I wouldn't as sk. Stealth's claim though is convincing, independantly. I'm just not gonna believe literally anyone other than the sk would do what stealth did. That's way too much of a gambit for a situation where the mafia wins just by mislynching whoever. I'm viewing Frinckles as almost guaranteed to be in MM's team after that. Between Yagami and stealth I'd generally always pick stealth as sk because, no offense meant, Yagami frankly isn't capable of writing a death note like that.
I'll try to find MM's first claim today, but I'm fairly sure it was right after the responses to my secret code message.
So, MM is Mafia. He is looking for SK. Mafia have RB'd Light, confirming to them that Light isn't SK.
That leaves me and SB. I guess it was a 50/50 gamble, plausible play to kill SK. So it's MM/DS./Frinckles.
I mean my lynch was still good but I understand why you wanted me to flip them now.
Spoiler : cvote :
DS. is not cleared for not visiting. He could be Framer that decided moving is pointless now there is a tracker and no cop.
No. I thought Frinckles was SK, and that Stealth was Mafia. Your theory doesn't even take the roleblocker into account. Also, I don't see the link with Kenny's "secret" stuff, which I honestly have not read through because he just said it was about adding kangaroos in his last will...
The rest of your PoE is 100% logical, and, from your point of view, assuming you're town (which I do), a pretty much confirmed PoE. My points on Unknown remain purely valid, btw, and noone ever refuted them because they are RIGHT.
Light is so painfully obvious town to people who know his meta, like me, that it hurts. And even if you make the assumption that I am scum and that I paid zero attention to who the SK could be, which is already not something I'd do as scum, I would just have sheeped Blink's read on him to clear him as non-SK, and would have roleblocked you or Stealth.
I was not "barely contributing at all", that's a lie... And no, from my point of view, Stealth was 100% scum, and you were 99.9999% scum (Magoroth being the 0.00001%). It makes perfect sense to go after your CONFIRMED SCUM check instead of the extremely likely scum; also note that I had you as a close 2nd choice and didn't mind lynching you or Stealth.
Also, saying that I started pushing Stealth out of nowhere is a god damn huge lie lmao, I literally had a confirmed scum check on him... you can't say that isn't coherent lol.
Eeeexcuse me? I'm not generally bad at mechanics, and I don't always go inactive after being pushed. I literally DON'T use inactivity as a strategy. The last paragraph is just a generally rude post lol, so here's an outside of alignment Screw You!
Yeah, to be accurate I claimed general TPR on D1, and Tracker on D2. There was no need to reveal my role to the Town, so why would I tell the Mafia anyway? My Tracker claim was specifically done when I read that Unknown had claimed Tracker (but that was indirect, I hadn't read the situation yet).
Also, Kenny, to take your own argument... From your point of view, on D2, if you were town, shouldn't you have been 100% pushing on me? Huey was obviously not scum in a world where he says he has a red check on you but doesn't even hard push you on it, in a world in which you know you were framed (since Huey lying would have no benefits whatsoever for him with the info you would have in that world). So if you cleared Mag too, why didn't you hard push me on D2?
I just straight up don't like this 50/50 gambit. Nothing is strongly solidifying you two in either camp. If MM is scum, Mafia made a deece call on SB being SK and not RB'ing anyone night one. If Kenny is scum, Mafia made a deece call on Magoroth's visit. It's so fucky. That's why I wanted to find my citbro so I could find a lynch possibly elsewhere.
DS. somewhat entertained it in an incredibly frustrating way. Scum lean.
Frinckles dipped after being online and most definitely seeing my ping, hard to be certain tho.
Light by POE is my citbro if DS doesn't want to convince me he is town.
Are you deadset saying we have to lynch the 50/50 today? Because I fucking hate it.
I'm just going to sit on this for now.
Spoiler : cvote :
@Kenny throw your vote down already. I hated it how DS. didn't do it. He said he has been too busy. You can't say the same.
Also no. A tracker does not receive a confirmed scum read. A tracker receives a read about someone being the killer. That is 50/50 sk or mafia, and a 50/50 chance to instantly lose the game, when looking from the town's perspective.
You are not looking from the town's perspective.
Stealth was not being pushed before you barged in. When someone suddenly does start pushing while everyone else is at peace with the lynch being aimed at the confirmed fake tpr claim, that looks like happening out of nowhere.
ok what the fuck my vote put ds at the top and frinckles as 3rd somehow when I have ds as 2nd towniest right in front of mag
Look at DS. vote.
Given the context of the game state,
Why put SK in top 3?
Why have Maggotroth in the middle of the pack?
Why have his POE Mafia Frinckles above the SK?
Alright, I'm too tired to keep playing lol, it's 10:10 AM here and I haven't slept yet. I should be there tomorrow for EoD, hopefully. I'm convinced of my cvote anyway right now, and I already explained most of my points.
And a last point, I simply saw Stealth visit a dead player, and didn't think about the MYLO/LYLO potential status (Yes, that is an error, I'm a human being you know). Plus, Stealth looked like he was in team with you, and Frinckles looked like a solo scum, so no, stop with the "YoU'rE nOt PlAyInG FrOm A tOwN PoV" bullshit lol.
Good morning/night/whatever it is for you guys.
It looks like I am solely pushing him but Light and Frinckles aint here lol. I'm not picking on him, just only info I have to look at right now besides votes.
Frinckles votes have been kinda bad. Always single or doubles. Another "scared to reveal cards/connections" situation.
Light's cvote is average at best but idk when he was last active.
Lol I'm an idiot.
Given game state, Mafia have no solid reason to bus MM. MM is in everyone's list except for me (town), maggotroth (town), SB (SK), Light (?). Literally impossible for MM to be scum or Mafia are going big dick to win.
Spoiler : cvote :
Frinckles solo vote does nothing and is useless. Condorcet doesn't even work like that. Comparing a player to nothing is like not voting at all.
DS I'm townreading and has good reason to vote MM.
The majority of players is defending him.
Like, based on votes the PoE in the citizens should be actually Frinckles, Yagami, and conveniently until you came out with your vote analysis, you, rumox.
A solo vote, like Frinckles is pushing also allows him to blitz vote as he did yesterday.
Just food for thought.
And it's on MM now.
You know wot i mean.
Based on pov, if MM is Mafia that means he is being bussed. The people not voting him is 100% confirmed town ME, 99.99% confirmed town Maggotroth, self confessed SK Stealth, and Light.
Light is still a ?, but it doesn't matter if he is Mafia or Town. There are at least 2 Mafia on this vote for MM, it's undeniable.