S-FM 285: High Noon At The Redwood Saloon

[Ganelon]

Mag did write /drink
Aamirus I'm having an eye on you

ditto
or waitt I'm retarded
this doesn't clear her LOL

[Wiisp]

dont ever seeing Mag/Frinckles ever being a thing after this post:

its ok, you convinced me.

sorry for tunnelling btw.

@Frinckles
explain to me the kenny wolfy read, I am so lost

[Kenny]

Mag, if you're srsly considering to lynch me that'd just be gamethrow at this point, not kidding. Gyrlander is confirmed scum, Frinckles is confirmed scum, and Wiisp is just trying to save his lover right now.
Not to mention that if I were scum it would make absolutely no sense for me to even once think that Frinckles could be scum, considering he's 100% dying tonight and we'll see his flip either way. That's just stupid.
Now I'm really going to sleep tho.

[DJarJar]

@Wiisp did you believe Mag's bm claim? And @aamirus what about you?

How is this a question? I fucking posted the entire alphabet for him for God’s sake

[Ganelon]

How is this a question? I fucking posted the entire alphabet for him for God’s sake

LMAO

[DJarJar]

Fu mag

[Ganelon]

Fu mag

sorry, it wasn't fun for me either

[Ganelon]

You should've received the antidote by now

[Wiisp]

ya idk whats happening right now, and I am being ignored
I feel like light right now

I need more time with this, the only thing I get from all this is that Mag/Frinckles is never a thing, nothing more nothing less

[Wiisp]

@aamirus
help

[Frinckles]

dont ever seeing Mag/Frinckles ever being a thing after this post:
@Frinckles
explain to me the kenny wolfy read, I am so lost

It's not that complicated to me at least. I know I'm not scum and I've done everything I can to reflect that, protecting you and helping the town. Kenny's interactions up until when I was poisoned all reflect a town read even defending me from you at one point. Everything has been done with the intent to control the flow of the game and if you agree Aamirus is a decent town read across the board, you can see her biggest dissenter in Kenny. If Aamirus is discredited, we lose our town core and the results have been pretty apparent.
You pointed out the slow pace of the game despite this FM being extremely active. Who has been the main fissure dividing the town?
That's not enough to win a game though. There is more than one scum so look closely at who she has pocketed or distanced herself from. The arguments against Aamirus dont seem fabricated to me.

[Wiisp]

@Frinckles
so you think aamirus is a wolf?

[Frinckles]

DID YOU ALL FORGET THAT WIISP CLAIMED LOVER FUCKING MINUTES AGO AND NOT DAY 1

Lmao

Pushing Wiisp smh

[Frinckles]

@Frinckles
so you think aamirus is a wolf?

No

[Wiisp]

How is this a question? I fucking posted the entire alphabet for him for God’s sake

ohh, so thats what you were doing haha

[AIVION]

The Saloon feels quiet at this time of night... Almost TOO quiet. The commotion seemed to die down from the game and things feel as per usual in the Redwood Saloon. A cloaked figure is noticed creeping in the corner with what looks like a blowpipe. Before anyone could react, the figure takes the blowpipe and blows, shooting out a dart which lands upon Aamirus's neck. The figure then quickly takes off out of the back entrance into the night.

@aamirus can no longer vote during this day phase! She must unvote if currently voting and may not place another vote!

[Wiisp]

ohh wtf

[Ganelon]

I'm guessing that's a role's ability

[Wiisp]

so like, mafia can just remove one of our votes during the day phase? ok then, #mechanics

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Please light, don’t vote Gyrlander yet.
also, you guys realize that it is impossible for him to achieve both win cons right? Be the last ones standing implies a 1v1 with scum, meaning town can’t win
but if he’s town, and has to see every other faction lose, he automatically loses in a 1v1 tie
so he has to choose

Yep. So that...

also no shit my second win-con isnt a town win-con, it explicily is there so that if I lived to lylo, I can either win with town or my lover, which is more often a wolf here than not

And that...

Your card definitely does say that your lover does die if you die though, right?

And that...

yes, that's what lovers are.............

And that...

So the logical next steps would be
1) sort out with naz that a gun is given
2) lynch gyrlander
3) shoot wiisp

Lead to that. That's in the wrong order because Kenny posted that before most of these quotes, but that's what it is. But what I think there is that if Frinckles dies and that they're lovers, there's no need to shoot Wiisp, right? Since he's going to suicide out of love?

The really weird thing there though, is that Wiisp is in a town situation right now. I don't see any way where, mechanically, his play makes any sense as scum (he wouldn't claim lover, that would be pure suicide for no reason)... so I guess I was wrong? I see no way around it.

[Ganelon]

will I get yelled at for suggesting a Kenny lynch?

[Wiisp]

because I am town...
talk to me about everything that just went down on the last page plz

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The Saloon feels quiet at this time of night... Almost TOO quiet. The commotion seemed to die down from the game and things feel as per usual in the Redwood Saloon. A cloaked figure is noticed creeping in the corner with what looks like a blowpipe. Before anyone could react, the figure takes the blowpipe and blows, shooting out a dart which lands upon Aamirus's neck. The figure then quickly takes off out of the back entrance into the night.

@aamirus can no longer vote during this day phase! She must unvote if currently voting and may not place another vote!

??? wtf is that

Scums have a vote remover? Okay. That means Gyrlander is now at L-3 and not at L-2 anymore, someone pls vote him back.


ALSO I'm noticing something. The "cloaked figure" stuff is a bit similar to a cloud of smoke... Maybe the message I got was from mafia?

[Wiisp]

will I get yelled at for suggesting a Kenny lynch?

mag you are in like the center of two people that you have a extraordinarily high chance of never being wolves with, but we are evaluating our check, we have, "not town" on gyr,
and thats what we are lynching, it doesnt matter what he claims because he is just that, "not town".

[Ganelon]

??? wtf is that

Scums have a vote remover? Okay. That means Gyrlander is now at L-3 and not at L-2 anymore, someone pls vote him back.


ALSO I'm noticing something. The "cloaked figure" stuff is a bit similar to a cloud of smoke... Maybe the message I got was from mafia?

why the fuck would the mafia send you a message?

[Otakudweeb69]

What the shit is going on ffs just shove a totem pole in my ass and fuck me sideways

Missed the game, sorry.

I personally want some pressure on Kenny, if there’s one person I want to know the alignment of rn it’s him.

Gyr’s still the lynch of today, correct? I find it very difficult to believe even if he is a neutral that he’s benign seeing as Zerg specified that he had a “bounty” on a handsome man (presumably me), sure as hell doesn’t sound benign but anyway

[Wiisp]

@Marshmallow Marshall
man are you actually town as well? what a fucking game

-vote Gyrlander

[Wiisp]

holy shit one sec

-vote unvote

Aamirus' vote is still there, this is dirty

[Marshmallow Marshall]

will I get yelled at for suggesting a Kenny lynch?

If scum can remove a vote, it means LYLO might be worse than actual LYLO.... What are the pros and cons of a Kenny lynch?
Also, I need to read their posts a bit more, I got confused earlier in my read on them. If Wiisp is town and Frinckles is scum, and Gyrlander is a neutral, that probably leaves us with 3 other scums. Kenny has been sus and discrediting people, so I'm not 100% against their lynch but I still gotta read

[Ganelon]

mag you are in like the center of two people that you have a extraordinarily high chance of never being wolves with, but we are evaluating our check, we have, "not town" on gyr,
and thats what we are lynching, it doesnt matter what he claims because he is just that, "not town".

fair...... I don't see kenny being scum with anyone other than scv and gyr

[Marshmallow Marshall]

why the fuck would the mafia send you a message?

To "confirm" themselves/WIFOM?

[Wiisp]

if scum can remove a vote during lylo, that is fucked up, most stuff that can manipulate votes like that, dont work in lylo

[Ganelon]

I don't think that was thee mafia lolololol, Kenny was surprised by the message you got

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Marshmallow Marshall
man are you actually town as well? what a fucking game

-vote Gyrlander

Aamirus still has her vote on, we can't hammer be careful. I want to re-read Kenny before making my decision. If he's scum, lynching a neutral might be fucking us over

[Otakudweeb69]

??? wtf is that

Scums have a vote remover? Okay. That means Gyrlander is now at L-3 and not at L-2 anymore, someone pls vote him back.

ALSO I'm noticing something. The "cloaked figure" stuff is a bit similar to a cloud of smoke... Maybe the message I got was from mafia?

Was about to vote then realized aamirus is still on there :worrysweat:

[Wiisp]

fair...... I don't see kenny being scum with anyone other than scv and gyr

and again, 3p for the most part are close to town in how they choose to play the game, again, "for the most part", and I cant imagine a 3p going, "I guess this lynch is ok"

[Ganelon]

might it?
assuming it's 9/3/1
today it's 7/3/1
if lynching neut it becomes 7/3/0, and then 5/3/0 tomorrow
we ain't fucked unless we shoot someone in the poe. even then it's 4/3. we can't lose today

[Ganelon]

and again, 3p for the most part are close to town in how they choose to play the game, again, "for the most part", and I cant imagine a 3p going, "I guess this lynch is ok"

yah you're right, sorry for flopping, I do it a lot

[Wiisp]

im going to hate myself for a while after this game, Senor Sito... god I am an idiot lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I have an antidote I can use to cure poison, got it afteer the weird game
I just asked blink to give it to frinckees

what
.................................. are you serious lol

[Ganelon]

btw @MM I had those posts I kept spamming at the start of the day, one of them had the letters C O P in capitals

[Ganelon]

surprised you didn't pick up on it
the other one had my first name, MAKS ()

[Marshmallow Marshall]

might it?
assuming it's 9/3/1
today it's 7/3/1
if lynching neut it becomes 7/3/0, and then 5/3/0 tomorrow
we ain't fucked unless we shoot someone in the poe. even then it's 4/3. we can't lose today

Yeah BUT I'M NOT ASSUMING ITS 9/3/1. I really think it's 8/2/2/1... or 9/2/2 and Gyr is lying really well, but either way, that puts us in a crap position if we count the shitty vote remover that just landed on aamirus. If that happens at LYLO, that means guarenteed loss.

[Ganelon]

Yeah BUT I'M NOT ASSUMING ITS 9/3/1. I really think it's 8/2/2/1... or 9/2/2 and Gyr is lying really well, but either way, that puts us in a crap position if we count the shitty vote remover that just landed on aamirus. If that happens at LYLO, that means guarenteed loss.

I don't think so, if that's the case I'll blame blink

[Marshmallow Marshall]

btw @MM I had those posts I kept spamming at the start of the day, one of them had the letters C O P in capitals

LOL I missed that

[Wiisp]

I still think its highly illogical and game breaking, to allow any type of vote manipulation in lylo situations

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I still think its highly illogical and game breaking, to allow any type of vote manipulation in lylo situations

This is the way I think about it (so it might be inaccurate in this setup), but since I review most setups these days, it's pretty much what we're used to here, but it might not be how Blink and AIVION saw it. But anyway:

Usually, those roles are limited with charges and not with a LyLo stop. Therefore, if scums decided to not use them before LyLo, it means they didn't use all their advantages early on, so, to be fair, they have it later on. Of course, that is merely a general guideline and can be changed for the sake of setup balance, so maybe that's not what we have here.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I don't think so, if that's the case I'll blame blink

What? Do you think my flavor is just that I hallucinated two strangers?? If it's really what happened I'm going to slap blink so hard lmao

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Also idk who said I had slash drunk, but I 100% haven't. I literally made a post with huuuge letters for people to NOT do it lol.

@Magoroth Did you really give an antidote to cure Frinckles

[Ganelon]

What? Do you think my flavor is just that I hallucinated two strangers?? If it's really what happened I'm going to slap blink so hard lmao

I'm more thinking it was some weird town role