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[yzb25]

Also is there justification why Beta voss would visit Huey. Did Huey's slot seem TPRish?

[Voss]

There's nothing in this world that can convince me you aren't town, except for the end of the game yzb.

[yzb25]

There's nothing in this world that can convince me you aren't town, except for the end of the game yzb.

awwwh fam that makes me really happy

But like, I still want you to answer my question lol

[Voss]

I assume this is the question you want answered:

What if I was a disinterested scum who placed the vote at the start of the day then forgot to move it later because I was so disinterested. Or maybe I just kinda assumed the vote wouldn't go anywhere?

"What if"... then I'm wrong? But I don't think I am, so I don't see the point of the question. I'm not changing my mind.

[naz]

Why on earth does anybody need to CC him and get themself night killed when they can just vote him? Certainly no CC needed unless the votes start piling on me.

Not to mention that you can’t really CC. I mean, there are technically max 4 sheriffs and max 3 detectives in this setup. Not likely I guess but the setup itself states that the most likely situation is for 2 of the 3 town randoms to be power roles. I mean if I was scum and Voss is sheriff then based on your “no counterclaim = they don’t exist” logic then the 3 town randoms are all citizens? There’s only a 12% chance of that according to the setup.

But anyway I’m not surprised, Healta was the one copying Voss before and now right when you sub in you join in on Voss’s side so it’s obvious you’re his teammate.

-vote aamirus

hes literally claiming a guaranteed role lol

[yzb25]

I assume this is the question you want answered:



"What if"... then I'm wrong? But I don't think I am, so I don't see the point of the question. I'm not changing my mind.

... yeah but my point is if you have a solid green read on someone there shouldn't be a lot of "what if"s.

and if I'm a lurkerfag then surely there's like a wallpost of "what if"s.

[naz]

scratch that I'm dumb.

I need to drink this water and take a breather DX

Idek when this day ends mag never updates first post w links

[yzb25]

-vote aamirus

hes literally claiming a guaranteed role lol

yah but because the setup is weird someone else might be that guaranteed role and not wanna say it because they're scared of 2 sheriffs.

[yzb25]

Idek when this day ends mag never updates first post w links

F.

[DJarJar]

@Voss Aami scumreading me so hard when my slot is meant to be inactive is certainly weird, but hard townreading me is even weirder.

Could you share your reasoning for townreading me?

Here’s my summary of your slot:
Day 1: he openly refused to vote on the basis that he doesn’t know what’s going on. Okay. He’s new so whatever right?

Day 2: Mm is dead and has a last will saying Noctiz and aamirus is not SvS and that he thinks there is probably a scum between the two of us. At the start of the day Voss says let’s follow MM’s last will and votes me. Healta then says yea let’s follow the last will and votes me. After this he never posts again.

Now id seen Voss visit me so I wasn’t sure what he was but actually kind of assumed town at first. You can see the progression in my posts during d2 where I start out defending myself against this stupid last will argument but not counterpushing towards Voss. It’s only after he keeps pushing me for “MM’s LW!” the whole 48 hours without ever allowing anybody else to get pushed (literally nobody else gets more than 2 votes until Yagami was lynched at EOD, though admittedly a couple people were afk), that I finally realize that he has to be the beta wolf (mafia role that detects exact roles) who saw me as a town power and thought he could get a mislynch on me by using this shitty MM’s last will excuse, whilst also grinding the game to a halt and preventing the town from gaining any information about anybody else.

Okay so with that POV in mind then I look back at Healta’s vote and it just looks scummy as hell. He refused to vote on day one but then on day two he’s suddenly willing to vote (and knows how to vote without asking which is no small feat for a new player lol) based on who Voss is voting. Well that looks to me like he knows Voss is beta wolf and checked me so if Voss is voting me whilst knowing my role then there must be a good reason so he follows it. It COULD just be a lazy uninformed vote like you’re suggesting but the thing is that he was previously refusing to vote and also he used the mm’s last will excuse which just doesn’t make any sense to me. Two posts before MM made his post saying Noctiz and I aren’t SvS he had called me towny so this reasoning of “vote aamirus cuz the dead guy said so” just doesn’t make sense. Noctiz wasn’t being voted either.

So all that being said it looked to me like your slot was aligned with Voss and I said as much. Then Voss doubled down and hard defended the slot even putting it as his top townread above everybody else in the game.

D3: you sub in and your first posts are making an argument to lynch me over Voss.

So can you blame me for seeing you as pretty much confirmed scum at this point?

[DJarJar]

-vote aamirus

hes literally claiming a guaranteed role lol

As yzb said, there can be 2, 3, or even 4 sheriffs if I’m scum so I don’t understand why you want a counterclaim. It wouldn’t guarantee for anybody else here that Voss is scum so it’d be a dumb way to get night killed for nothing.

I think the better question to ask is if I’m scum, why wouldn’t I counterclaim as sheriff (the confirmed role) rather than claim detective? What would be the positives of me claiming detective instead?

And I really wish you would read the setup properly. It clearly states a 12% chance of zero town powers besides the confirmed ones versus 88% chance of 1 or more...

[DJarJar]

59% chance of 2 or more powers in those 3 town random slots. So with 1 out of me and Voss being scum, there’s most likely TWO more people out there that are town power roles

[yzb25]

Here’s my summary of your slot:
Day 1: he openly refused to vote on the basis that he doesn’t know what’s going on. Okay. He’s new so whatever right?

Day 2: Mm is dead and has a last will saying Noctiz and aamirus is not SvS and that he thinks there is probably a scum between the two of us. At the start of the day Voss says let’s follow MM’s last will and votes me. Healta then says yea let’s follow the last will and votes me. After this he never posts again.

Now id seen Voss visit me so I wasn’t sure what he was but actually kind of assumed town at first. You can see the progression in my posts during d2 where I start out defending myself against this stupid last will argument but not counterpushing towards Voss. It’s only after he keeps pushing me for “MM’s LW!” the whole 48 hours without ever allowing anybody else to get pushed (literally nobody else gets more than 2 votes until Yagami was lynched at EOD, though admittedly a couple people were afk), that I finally realize that he has to be the beta wolf (mafia role that detects exact roles) who saw me as a town power and thought he could get a mislynch on me by using this shitty MM’s last will excuse, whilst also grinding the game to a halt and preventing the town from gaining any information about anybody else.

Okay so with that POV in mind then I look back at Healta’s vote and it just looks scummy as hell. He refused to vote on day one but then on day two he’s suddenly willing to vote (and knows how to vote without asking which is no small feat for a new player lol) based on who Voss is voting. Well that looks to me like he knows Voss is beta wolf and checked me so if Voss is voting me whilst knowing my role then there must be a good reason so he follows it. It COULD just be a lazy uninformed vote like you’re suggesting but the thing is that he was previously refusing to vote and also he used the mm’s last will excuse which just doesn’t make any sense to me. Two posts before MM made his post saying Noctiz and I aren’t SvS he had called me towny so this reasoning of “vote aamirus cuz the dead guy said so” just doesn’t make sense. Noctiz wasn’t being voted either.

So all that being said it looked to me like your slot was aligned with Voss and I said as much. Then Voss doubled down and hard defended the slot even putting it as his top townread above everybody else in the game.

D3: you sub in and your first posts are making an argument to lynch me over Voss.

So can you blame me for seeing you as pretty much confirmed scum at this point?

I don't think that's a good reason to scumread me because your perspective seems to implicitly imagine voss coached the lurker and taught him a few of the basics that night in the scum chat. However, if he did that, he would have made damn sure not to tell him to sheep his buddies and be so obvious.

However, I can imagine you thinking this way regardless of being town or scum so it isn't a productive conversation to have when we have like an hour left and it's you or voss.

I'd rather talk about the lw thing.

@Voss was that really the only argument you made against Aami? If you're really sheriff and you were checking her, you must have had reasons to be suspicious of her BEFORE MM's lw? How come the only argument to scumread Aami comes AFTER the lw?

This question is more important to me than the last.

[Voss]

@naz , as said before, if you're trusting me, best play isn't to kill aamirus, because I die tonight.

[yzb25]

@naz , as said before, if you're trusting me, best play isn't to kill aamirus, because I die tonight.

This point of view doesn't hold water. Due to plurality, either you or Aami will die tonight. You have to push Aami literally as self defense if nothing else. You don't get to choose to stall this and invest another day

[Voss]

I don't think that's a good reason to scumread me because your perspective seems to implicitly imagine voss coached the lurker and taught him a few of the basics that night in the scum chat. However, if he did that, he would have made damn sure not to tell him to sheep his buddies and be so obvious.

However, I can imagine you thinking this way regardless of being town or scum so it isn't a productive conversation to have when we have like an hour left and it's you or voss.

I'd rather talk about the lw thing.

@Voss was that really the only argument you made against Aami? If you're really sheriff and you were checking her, you must have had reasons to be suspicious of her BEFORE MM's lw? How come the only argument to scumread Aami comes AFTER the lw?

This question is more important to me than the last.

A) I subbed in end of Day 1, and didn't read anything prior to me subbing in, so if the following day 1 reasons are iffy, that's why.

B) I decided to check the confirmed town's suspicions, either noctiz or aamirus

C) Noctiz supposedly called out mm for pr hunting, and I gave him town points for that.

D) I had a slight feeling that aamirus and damus were melding a bit too much on day 1 and day 2

Thus, I checked aamirus.

[yzb25]

This point of view doesn't hold water. Due to plurality, either you or Aami will die tonight. You have to push Aami literally as self defense if nothing else. You don't get to choose to stall this and invest another day

die today***

[Voss]

This point of view doesn't hold water. Due to plurality, either you or Aami will die tonight. You have to push Aami literally as self defense if nothing else. You don't get to choose to stall this and invest another day

not if the plurality votes someone else. then i survive until tomorrow

[yzb25]

A) I subbed in end of Day 1, and didn't read anything prior to me subbing in, so if the following day 1 reasons are iffy, that's why.

B) I decided to check the confirmed town's suspicions, either noctiz or aamirus

C) Noctiz supposedly called out mm for pr hunting, and I gave him town points for that.

D) I had a slight feeling that aamirus and damus were melding a bit too much on day 1 and day 2

Thus, I checked aamirus.

yes but aside from the mind-melding point this reasoning still depends on knowing MM is confirmed town, and you wouldn't have known that until AFTER you choose to check Aami on n1, unless I misunderstand.

[yzb25]

not if the plurality votes someone else. then i survive until tomorrow

bro pull your head out your ass we have an hour left that's not happening XD

[Voss]

yes but aside from the mind-melding point this reasoning still depends on knowing MM is confirmed town, and you wouldn't have known that until AFTER you choose to check Aami on n1, unless I misunderstand.

no, i fucked up. i forgot mm died on night 1. I figured aamirus most likely to survive night 1.

yeah now this looks really bad.

[Voss]

bro pull your head out your ass we have an hour left that's not happening XD

i mean if no one comes back, and only me and you are around, sure. but i don't think thats happening.

i'll be around for the next hour, i hope.

[Ganelon]

The day's ending in 52 mins btw.

[yzb25]

no, i fucked up. i forgot mm died on night 1. I figured aamirus most likely to survive night 1.

yeah now this looks really bad.

You're right man... it kinda does XD

I was really flattered when you told me the world couldn't change your townread on me. That's probably the closest thing I've gotten to a love confession as of late, but looking at this objectively I really oughta side with Aami. If you're scum and I ignore all these signs I'm gonna hate myself for the rest of my life.

No hard feelings bro <3.

-vote Voss

[yzb25]

i mean if no one comes back, and only me and you are around, sure. but i don't think thats happening.

i'll be around for the next hour, i hope.

you still need to say who you'd alternatively like to lynch if you're serious about that, btw.

[Voss]

you still need to say who you'd alternatively like to lynch if you're serious about that, btw.

check the vote count. but with you voting against me. it's gg.

[yzb25]

This was asked already but

Can beta and gamma investigate their own teammates?

[Ganelon]

This was asked already but

Can beta and gamma investigate their own teammates?

Yes

[naz]

thx for updating mag

-vote NightmareFrIEND7

[naz]

AHAHAHAAH nvm i just read the posts

-vote voss

AHAHAH almost had me there pal

[naz]

Plzmodkill that guy tho

[Ganelon]

Plzmodkill that guy tho

Who?

[yzb25]

AHAHAHAAH nvm i just read the posts

-vote voss

AHAHAH almost had me there pal

wow you read pretty quick!

[Voss]

modkill me please because town's lynching town

[Voss]

would it be too late to ask host to go back to majority? its the best voting system.

[Voss]

also sorry aamirus, if i was an ass. my last will nonsense was 100% a critique on the meta, and not on you. you played well.

[DJarJar]

would it be too late to ask host to go back to majority? its the best voting system.

omg lmfao man that was great

[DJarJar]

also sorry aamirus, if i was an ass. my last will nonsense was 100% a critique on the meta, and not on you. you played well.

what are you even talking about with that anyway? People don't ignore last wills on here as far as I have seen?

[Ganelon]

omg lmfao man that was great

+1

[naz]

wow you read pretty quick!

i was like halfway caught up when i voted nightmare288eye8293urdnjqwn (thats who to mk mag lol)

[Ganelon]

Voss was lynched. They were a Town Spiritualist.
Their LW was:
i think huey is the virus. if you iso him, he talks about the virus a LOT and it would/could make sense with aamirus announcing that "I visited Huey"

You cannot post Countdown Timers

[Ganelon]

Day 4.
Nobody died.
5 votes to hammer.
You may post

You cannot post Countdown Timers

[DJarJar]

@Noz_Bugz @naz @Huey The Long @Blinkstorteddd02 @yzb25 @ZergSoupYum

Also, I am going to repeat this. DO NOT REPLY OR QUOTE ME OR ANYONE ELSE THAT I HAVEN'T QUOTED YET

DOING THIS IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. DON'T GAMETHROW.


Also, I am going to repeat this. DO NOT REPLY OR QUOTE ME OR ANYONE ELSE THAT I HAVEN'T QUOTED YET

DOING THIS IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. DON'T GAMETHROW.


Also, I am going to repeat this. DO NOT REPLY OR QUOTE ME OR ANYONE ELSE THAT I HAVEN'T QUOTED YET

DOING THIS IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. DON'T GAMETHROW.

[DJarJar]

awh I forgot @NightmareFrIEND7 now my post is ruined

[Huey The Long]

@Noz_Bugz @naz @Huey The Long @Blinkstorteddd02 @yzb25 @ZergSoupYum

Also, I am going to repeat this. DO NOT REPLY OR QUOTE ME OR ANYONE ELSE THAT I HAVEN'T QUOTED YET

DOING THIS IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. DON'T GAMETHROW.


Also, I am going to repeat this. DO NOT REPLY OR QUOTE ME OR ANYONE ELSE THAT I HAVEN'T QUOTED YET

DOING THIS IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. DON'T GAMETHROW.


Also, I am going to repeat this. DO NOT REPLY OR QUOTE ME OR ANYONE ELSE THAT I HAVEN'T QUOTED YET

DOING THIS IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. DON'T GAMETHROW.

I dunno what this even means

[DJarJar]

I dunno what this even means

ah right, only blink distorted and naz would get the joke I think

[Huey The Long]

Ahh ok it was joke.

Well wanna explain yaself?

[DJarJar]

Also, I am going to repeat this. DO NOT REPLY OR QUOTE THE NEUTRAL OR ANYONE ELSE THAT I HAVEN'T QUOTED YET

DOING THIS IS GROUNDS FOR INSTANT LYNCH, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. DON'T GAMETHROW.


Also Roosevelt's argument is shit because at the time he was voting Nixon I wasn't sure everyone had picked a President and that is why - the only reason - I was afraid of a speedlynch. I can almost guarantee scum have already picked a President but I'm not sure if everyone has.
Which begs the following question.

@Bill Clinton who are you voting for President?
@George Bush who are you voting for President?
@Richard Nixon who are you voting for President?
@Ronald Reagan who are you voting for President?
@John Kennedy who are you voting for President?

context... sort of

[DJarJar]

Ahh ok it was joke.

Well wanna explain yaself?

explain what? Voss was scum like I said you fool

[Blinkstorteddd02]

Lol