FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
I also don’t get all the people saying let’s lynch somebody besides me or Voss. It’d be much easier finding our teammates once you know for sure which one of us is scum. Hence the only reason to keep us alive would be for potential future invest results. But there’s two problems with that...
1. The alpha wolf is detection immune, to both sheriff and detective. The poisoner also doesn’t show up to sheriffs and can only be found circumstancially by a detective (and the kills can take up to 96 hours so eh/meh on finding poisoner this way). Therefore, if Voss is sheriff and I am scum then there is only one person besides me that he could even detect at all, out of like 8 people. Or if I am detect and Voss is scum, then I MAY be able to find poisoner but otherwise I can only detect that 1 other mafia same as a sheriff, but then they can easily claim a town power role since I don’t detect alignments. The point I’m trying to make here is that there is an extremely slim chance of us gaining anything more from our investigations due to the det immunity of the alpha wolf, relative immunity of the poisoner, and us already having checks against each other. Following Voss again to try to confirm somebody else as non mafia wouldn’t even be worth it cuz he could just visit a teammate to throw me off.
2. If we lynch some random towny today then we probably have a 50-50 tomorrow between me and Voss with 3 mafia alive. Is that seriously how you want to be at LYLO? If a single town votes wrong then the game is over. The poisoner is around still but with 3 mafia around they’re not going to risk visiting the same house meaning he can only get 1 of the mafia at most. Best case for town 1 mafia dies and the poisoner is hit by mafia which leads to a 4 town 2 mafia day where we are still stuck deciding between Voss and I. All 4 town would need to be on a mafia in order to guarantee a mafia lynch, which I find hard to believe given the current indecision over which of us is scum/town. Otherwise if the town between us is lynched the game would be over.
I just think it’s more prudent to choose now. Worst case i get lynched and Voss has to be gotten tomorrow, but then at least we are in a LYLO afterwards where you can specifically look at who might have been voss’s teammate because you KNOW he’s scum based on the flip, as opposed to a LYLO where ur just randomly picking 50-50 between us. Best case y’all lynch the obvious scum today and not only are we rid of a scum but you also still have that extra info now to go off of on who might be the scummates. Obviously I’d get night killed but i think it’s worth it to get a confirmed scum. Plus maybe the mafia would pussy out in fear of the poisoner visiting me with his mass murderer ability.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Ive had a scumlean on the slot since day 1 and your behaviour to me is scummy which has only increased my scum read on you. Why Nightmare? Nightmare is not very active but i believe that to be a new player thing, i highly doubt he is scum. Would you vote in the TvS by EoD if you cant get a Nightmare Lynch of?
I wont be around much till the last hour or so, i may pop in to see if anything new happens in the next 5 hours but i will arrive before EoD and switch my vote over to the TvS (probably Voss) if no other major train or w/ever starts.
@yzb25 has replaced Healta
tbh after reading everything voss and aamirus are writing I'm sad we can't lynch them both today lol also hi @yzb25 imy
Hi! About to get a laptop and start talking. Haven't read much of the game, so feel free to give me your unbiased accounts of what's happening (lol)
Hi @yzb25 , you're my top town read!
Also, to address aamirus's point, here are some pros and cons, assuming the shroedinger's "we're both town and scum" logic:
Pros
- i'm able to find the last mafia
- you're able to out the poisoner
Cons
- we can't use our flips to determine teammates
lol i guess that was it. but again, they might as well "pick" who between us they would rather kill, pretend they chose right, and start looking at those teammates. In the end, its a weird way of thinking about it, but our flips don't matter, because they should act as if they took the right choice. Because if they chose wrong, it's already hopeless whether or not they get the wrong one between us today or tomorrow.
SO, actually( maybe ?), the best play is to pick someone who's most likely to be both our teammates. or do the above.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Ahh okay understood this is MYLO barring a miracle and we have like 4 hours left and you and Aami are vying for spiritualist
F XD
I was assuming Aami would claim spiritualist but she seems to be sticking to the town agent claim. If that's the case we should lynch her ASAP because noone is CCing Voss for the spiritualist claim.
I confirm I am not spiritualist btw.
He is, not sure if he actually used those words (because he could be beta wolf) would need to go back and look
He is claiming the last confirmed TPR role
Aamirus is just claiming something from a random slot
So its not technically CC
But aamirus said she saw voss visit huey n2 but voss says he visited damus
Having read more, I think I understand the situation now.
However, if Voss has claimed spiritualist and noone has CC'd, can't we take it for granted he actually is spiritualist? It's basically MYLO. Not CCing that in this situation if you're spiritualist would be a horrible misplay... right?
Voss has quite a politiciany way of speaking but from what I've seen that just seems to be his normal tone and isn't grounds to scumread him. His mild FPS also seems in line with his personality.
I haven't read enough to make good reads on either, but the arguments they're making at eachother seem like very cheap potshots. I might stop reading d3 and see what their spat on day 2 looked like. It might prove more insightful.
i'm mechanically her scum read because i'm calling her scum. so i'm confirmed scum in her eyes.
guys, if we were going to do the counter claim thing, we should have done it way sooner. Like I'm not afraid, but from an objective town side if you were going to do the "REAL COP CLAIM PLEASE" shtick, that's not the time for now. It'll just be adding chaos.
However, I'm not afraid of it, because aamirus's ally who would claim cop would instantly be scrutinzed, and would have probably left no bread crumbs, ergo making them scum, ergo making aamirus the scum.
actually, i'm a fan of it now that i've typed it out.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
tbf I agree with a lot of these insights. If each part of an archon is taking contrarian views, they can do whatever they want at any particular moment without seeming inconsistent. It's a very strong scum strategy and I'd expect town distorted/blink to make more of an effort to reconcile their views. I could totally see their scum archon pulling a stunt like this. But if Zergsoupyum has been doing this trash push on them all game that also is scummy. Naz also seems town to me.
And then you also scumread my slot.
F XDDDD
I mindmeld with a lot of this. It's gonna be so deep if I read my own slot and agree with your read on that too LOL.
Why on earth does anybody need to CC him and get themself night killed when they can just vote him? Certainly no CC needed unless the votes start piling on me.
Not to mention that you can’t really CC. I mean, there are technically max 4 sheriffs and max 3 detectives in this setup. Not likely I guess but the setup itself states that the most likely situation is for 2 of the 3 town randoms to be power roles. I mean if I was scum and Voss is sheriff then based on your “no counterclaim = they don’t exist” logic then the 3 town randoms are all citizens? There’s only a 12% chance of that according to the setup.
But anyway I’m not surprised, Healta was the one copying Voss before and now right when you sub in you join in on Voss’s side so it’s obvious you’re his teammate.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
I didn't see these proportions for town TPRs. I was assuming it was hidden and we were basically going to host meta the number of TPRs. I assumed there would be 0-1 extra TPRs so the number of TPRs would be equal to or just above the number of mafia, as is ordinary balance philosophy.
From your point of view, surely you should be trying to convince me to vote with you. If you make the arguments and my assessment seems under/over-charitable, then that will aid your read. You seem to be focusing on making arguments against me rather than trying to win a vote / get info. It seems you're so confident my slot is scum you're skipping the step of trying to get any additional info.
If it's not obvious, I'm just trying to take in as much info as I can and puking stream of consciousness while I do.
I mean, I was reading your slot as his scummate before and then you sub in and immediately start defending him. What do you expect me to think? I’d be amazed at this point if you weren’t his teammate so I don’t really care if you vote with me as i think the people who aren’t on his team can see that he’s obviously scum
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
I think it's well established that yzb and I are on the same team, given healtas voting pattern.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Nah zergsoupyum seems like town he just seems a bit dopey lol.
Blink is reminding me a lot of his scum game in the hidden cryptonic setup. It feels like he's trying to... annihilate Voss... rather than verify the read he already has or flesh out his reasoning.
I'm sorry I'm not focusing enough on the Aami vs Voss I need to stop reading linearly lol.
Nah Aami is right about the claiming. If the setup says 5 TPRs is most likely then it's certainly possible a sheriff read it and didn't see the benefit to CCing because he viewed 2 sheriffs as possible. If everyone thought like me and regarded 2 sheriffs as op asf and probably impossible then the CC would be worth it, but I don't think that's necessarily the case.
A sheriff CCing only makes sense if it mechanically 90% locks Voss as scum, and due to the setup structure that mechanically wouldn't be the case.
wait the timer is 0 does that mean day is over?!?!
@Voss Aami scumreading me so hard when my slot is meant to be inactive is certainly weird, but hard townreading me is even weirder.
Could you share your reasoning for townreading me?
Yesterday, healta voted aamirus all day and fucked off. I can't believe that's scum ever. Unfortunately, me claiming you as #1 town in my eyes has put a scum read on your back.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
It's not very unfortunate if you're town and the game is about to end either way tho I guess, right?
What if I was a disinterested scum who placed the vote at the start of the day then forgot to move it later because I was so disinterested. Or maybe I just kinda assumed the vote wouldn't go anywhere?
I can see the rationale for townreading that, but from what people are saying it seems you put me at the top of your townreadlist. Is that a reflection of how uncertain you were in townreading everyone else or a reflection of how certain you were of townreading me?