@aamirus as mayor, whta would ur situation be with lynch/no lynch?
@aamirus as mayor, whta would ur situation be with lynch/no lynch?
@Noz_Bugz why are you not a good lynch for today?
Miller claiming gives us a confirmed town. any CC and we can get a confirmed scum D1/D2. if all sheriffs coordinate who to check, we can prolly get a 50/50 on D3/D4 as well since either 1 sheriff will have to lie and 1 person will pick up a framed target.
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Miller claims = confirmed town.
leaving 6 sheriff claims.
1 checks 2, 2 checks 3, 3 checks 4, 4 checks 5, 5 checks 6, 6 checks 1.
Mafia would have no choice but to lie about results. but i think we this we would be able to confirm 1-2 towns in the process.
Havent Completely Decided That Yet However, Im Leaning Towards A @Ganelon Lynch
theoretically we would have 3 red checks. (with framer) if we do not hit a D1 mafia lynch.
if we have 4, well then we know there is at least 1 sheriff in the fake red checks. and from that, we can hopefully narrow down who towns are.
if we DO get a maf lynch D1 - then we will have 2 red checks. leaves a 50/50 for framed target. unless the mafia decides to lie and say some1 else is red which we instnatly know then 1 of the 3 red checks is lying, so our mafia is a 33% chacne now. down to 1 of 3 people.
the big flaw where we can mess up with this strategy is if somehow we select a mafia to check another mafia. that leaves them able to manipulate results. so if we mislynch on D1 it still puts us in a pretty tough spot - but maximum info will have come out of the night.
if we do hit a mafia D1, we can pretty much lock the game.
Also, What If The Miller Claims Sheriff?
true but if we skip today and lynch tomorrow and get it wrong the game is over. And i'd assume in that scenario it'd be 50/50 with 1 mafia being accused by a legit sheriff and the other mafia accusing a townie. So even then it's not an ideal situation. But I do like your idea of coordinating the checks. Town points for that as it really hurts the mafia. Hadn't even thought of that. But we need the miller to claim.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
But I feel like doing this strategy we can narrow down WHERE the mafia are. if its 1 in the green checks and 1 in the red. or both in green, both in red ect.
if we have 1 maf left, we should be able to find out which section he is in, thus confirming like half the game in the process (2-3 towns)
Light are you scum this game?
The miller claiming sheriff removes any information that town can gather through night actions. so roleclaims become completely useless. if the miller does not claim today, red checks DO NOT MATTER, meaning sheriff claims do not matter at all anymore - thus its pretty much a standard all citizen 2 mafioso setup.
The miller not revealing now, if we hit a mafia on a D1 lynch he will obviously claim miller before being lynched, leading to the miller having to cc and out himself either way. So, a miller hiding is providing the mafia with an out for later. by D2, miller claims no longer matter. we lose the potential to get a confirmed town slot.
Id Actually Like To Hear From @Noz_Bugz Again..
@aamirus
what do you make of Marshalls post?
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
based on that you are now eliminated from the lynch pool and looked at more seriously (ur opinions ect)
It also allows us to organize checks so we can check everyone. This leads to 2 pools forming: red checks, and green checks. Depending on if we have too many, or too few green/red checks we can find where the mafia are in those checks/claims. If we lynch 1 mafia now, it pretty much allows us to confirmed 2-3 towns tomorrow, thus locking the game PoE.
If we do not lynch a mafia today, it leaves us in a tougher spot, however it removes the mafias ability to fake claim miller and try to cause confusion via checks and role claims. it removes mafias ability to hide.
like, imagine we have 4 ppl with red checks. thts not possible, so obviously there is 1 mafia in that pool claiming a red check. now say there is only 2 red checks (with 2 mafia alive) then obviously 1 of the mafia is saying a green check. so 1 of the people saying green check is lying. if we hvae 2 mafia alive still D2, and we have the appropriate number of red and green checks, then we have a mafia in both red and green checks. so 1 each. so that doesnt help too much, but it allows us to look at alignments between the correct groups of people.
It also, once again, eliminates the mafias ONLY role they can try to fake claim in Lylo to keep themself alive.
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Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
I'm looking for the hard claim on it. Since i feel like damus has been softing it also.
btw @Damus_Graves whats your thoughts on it all? you have been pushing for no1 to talk about miller all game so far and not talking at all about it. well my thoughts are 100% the opposite, so curious where u stand with it all. You came in replying to posts then left when u got to mine. you were quoting the ones right before it, then right after (u quoted ur own post but it was after my posts).
If I had to pick a PoE right now it would be Ganelon, Noz, Damus.
Framer
Frame other people for murder, changing most investigation results on them. Can frame as town or mafia.
so it looks like framer can NOT self frame @Voss is that correct?
however, him being able to frame as town/mafia does pose some form of issue with 2 maf left. He can frame his mafia buddy as town AND fake claim another red check. so the red/green check balance wouldn't be interrupted. but that would still mean the framer would be red checked. and with a maf green checked, that would make the red check now believable because the only way we could come to the results we come to is IF the mafia frame their partner as town - literally we would only have 1 red check, and that would be on the framer.
but if somehow the partner of the mafia is the person who checks the framer, and he lies then we have ALL green checks. im trying to wrap my head around these scenarios lol
@Voss if the mafioso/goon is lynched today, and just the framer remains - can he frame AND carry out the kill?
EoD claim though would be bad... because we then spend all day today keeping 1 extra person in a PoE we shouldent be. doing fancy plays and tricks here wont help town at all. literally every result and role we have can be manipulated or fake claims... we need to get it out of the way early, allowing time for counter claims to solidify his spot. if he claims EoD then a mafia can still say "well im the miller, i wasnt on so didnt see the claim". leaving to a possible credible counterclaim. i mean it could be legit to, mafia may claim it EoD so no1 else can counterclaim. it just messes with what we can organize on D1.
I would have claimed it in my first post if I were Miller.
I didn’t want to discuss Miller strategy because it should have been obvious what any good player would do as Miller. I was holding a tiny hope Mafia would claim Miller and get ccd even though I knew that was low tier play and unlikely to happen.
I think Miller is between Ganelon and Light.
Light has strong scum equity and Marshall is pinging me as scum with the most recent post of his.
Everyone else doesn’t ping me as scum like those two do