S-FM III Game thread

[Ubernox]

Ubernox I don't believe your sheriff claim because the mole doesn't show up as a terrorist

I never said he was a mole. All I know is that, when my investigation results came back, they said:

"You checked TheWaaagh tonight and discovered that he is a Terrorist!"

Maybe he managed to guess Escaho's role, or maybe they're both terrorists? Maybe death fire is the real vigilante, and has been blackmailed/inactive? You have to trust me on this one; it's your loss if you don't.

[Ubernox]

@Es if you want my role claim why don't you read my posts last page a little more closely? Also, I never said that Waaagh was the mole.

To all town: remember that the terrorists and the arsonist are among the crowd, and will attempt to away you into voting an innocent town member rather than a terrorist.

[Deathfire123]

I am blackmailed.

[Deathfire123]

​-vote CmG

[Kromos]

I never said he was a mole. All I know is that, when my investigation results came back, they said:

"You checked TheWaaagh tonight and discovered that he is a Terrorist!"

Maybe he managed to guess Escaho's role, or maybe they're both terrorists? Maybe death fire is the real vigilante, and has been blackmailed/inactive? You have to trust me on this one; it's your loss if you don't.

There is a very real chance that TheWaaagh was framed last night. I don't know why you left that out.

[Escaho]

Alright, I claim that I was healed that night, glad to know the doctor thought I was valuable in some way.

Doctor should heal Escaho tonight, while the bodyguard heals an unknown target, this way we could actually get a mafia killed.

I'm not even sure if I trust this at all.

First of all, the chances of a doctor choosing you to heal and you getting attacked in the same night is very coincidental. An arsonist that was shot would also not mind claiming healed if he was shot by the mafia because they would think their target was saved and no longer an arsonist. It would also give the illusion that there actually is a doctor in play.

Also, the doctor is unlikely to claim that he healed you Day 1, so it's the perfect cover.

[Escaho]

There is a very real chance that TheWaaagh was framed last night. I don't know why you left that out.

I was wondering who would point this out first. Surprising that the Sheriff himself never thought that his target could be framed.

[Kromos]

Deathfire, vote CmG again if you have investigation results on him. If it is just based on day chat then unvote.

[Escaho]

I am starting to wonder if CmG is the Framer who framed TheWaaagh...this would explain the random lynch and calling into credibility everything that he says.

Only 3 possible explanations:

1) Ubernox is lying about being the Sheriff to get TheWaaagh lynched.

2) Ubernox is the Sheriff, investigated and found out TheWaaagh is a terrorist.

3) Ubernox is the Sheriff, investigated a framed TheWaaagh and believes he is a terrorist.

[Rocshi]

The person who can confirm me has posted.

Escaho, you should know what I am by ^^

If there is a Bus Driver in the game who isn't AFK, please for the love of god.

[Escaho]

The person who can confirm me has posted.

Escaho, you should know what I am by ^^

If there is a Bus Driver in the game who isn't AFK, please for the love of god.

You realize that, if TheWaagh, Ubernox, and you are clean, we can determine every player's role by Day 4.

[Rocshi]

Yeah, but if we're all dead that won't work, will it.

[Escaho]

Oh, it can work. I can take a wound. BG can protect someone and the Doctor can protect someone. Tomorrow will give us the most information, I believe.

I think I might just shoot nanosystem or jaczac so at least have DISCUSSION from all players, even if it is only one post.

[Rocshi]

Escaho: Do you know what I am?

[Escaho]

Currently, I'm suspecting:

CmG (Framer?)
Mopin (Arsonist?)
jaczac
nanosystem
GameFreak
Kromos

However, my suspects change every 30 minutes and even then, my list can't be trusted.

To those on my scum list, this shall be you tonight:

[Escaho]

Escaho: Do you know what I am?

Yes.

[nanosystem]

Sorry for not posting, I was busy the whole day. My thoughts:
CmG: Using the "I like trains" strategy (FYI: the one who posts after the "I like trains" post will get voted(but everybody should know that by now)), lurking after attacking TheWaaagh. Not sure about him, but he seems scummy
TheWaaagh: I'm not sure about him, but he seems to be a townie. I think he made a good move in giving us a leader.
Rocshi: Escaho confirmed him. Seems to be good.
Ubernox: Claims to be sheriff, claims that TheWaaagh is a terrorist. Either Waaagh was framed or Ubernox is lying. I'm not sure what is true, someone should check him
I will vote now because I won't be able to post later, but I'm not sure about it.
vote CmG

[Escaho]

jaczac, anything to add? Or would a bullet be more enticing?


Current Tally

TheWaaagh (3): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi
CmG (2): Deathfire123, nanosystem
Deathfire123 (1): D

[Escaho]

[Fixed] Current Tally

TheWaaagh (3): CmG, Ubernox, Rocshi
CmG (2): Deathfire123, nanosystem
Deathfire123 (1): TheWaaagh[/QUOTE]

[Mopin]

I'm not even sure if I trust this at all.

First of all, the chances of a doctor choosing you to heal and you getting attacked in the same night is very coincidental. An arsonist that was shot would also not mind claiming healed if he was shot by the mafia because they would think their target was saved and no longer an arsonist. It would also give the illusion that there actually is a doctor in play.

Also, the doctor is unlikely to claim that he healed you Day 1, so it's the perfect cover.

Was quite shocked myself Escaho. Can't say anything to prove my innocence right now, though my investigation results will prove I am not the arsonist.

[Mopin]

With regards to the lynching I don't think we should vote anyone today. We don't have enough evidence to kill anyone right now and seeing as no town is dead, we still have time for more investigations.

[Ubernox]

Ok, Im willing to believe that Waaagh was framed. I'm not sure why though, but he may have. Personally, I'm going to keep an eye on him. I'm also willing to believe that CmG is a possible scum.


But, I just want everyone to keep in mind that it's also possible that deathfire is the vigilante, and that Waaagh and Escaho are terrorists. They could have easily been able to fake Waaagh knowing what role Escaho was, and Escaho would be able to have 100% trust from town as the accepted vigilante. What would be even worse would be if they also have a consort on deathfire, so that he can not kill Escaho and free himself.

[Mopin]

That is a possibility Ubernox, though I think it's quite unlikely. Though we can check it fortunately.

Deathfire, if what Ubernox is saying is true, vote Escaho. If not vote CmG again.

[Ubernox]

Deathfire: if you were blocked/bussed/attacked and healed last night, vote me.

[Escaho]

If Deathfire votes me he will immediately be shot tonight as I will know his true allegiance.

Think about this logically for a second. The chances of me proclaiming Vigilante and the Mafia role-blocking AND blackmailing the true Vigilante is a bit of stretch. Not only that, but the real Vigilante would shoot me tonight if I was not him.

And what if Deathfire is the actual Blackmailer claiming to be blackmailed?

What if Ubernox is the mole?

What if Mopin was not healed, but claims that he was because his vest saved him last night?

On the plus side, at least all these questions and answers are making it much easier for me to decipher who is who. This is the discussion we needed and, in usual Jack Bauer fashion, if I have to threaten to shoot to save the Town, I will not hesitate to do so.

[Ubernox]

I don't like thinking about how some of the most trusted town members here could be terrorists.

Waaagh and Escaho are now some of the most trusted people here, and are quite effectively shaping the towns actions and train of discussion. I'm still not sure if Waaagh really was framed. I would have thought that they would have framed someone who talked more yesterday. Infant there's not even any real guarantee that there's even a framer here.

[Ubernox]

I'm not the mole because I'm the sheriff. If an investigator would like to investigate me, that would debunk any theories that I'm a mole.

[Mopin]

Escaho, mafia didn't need to roleblock Deathfire, seeing as he can't do anything in the day, simply being blackmailed is a possibility. I think you are Jack Bauer Escaho, though it may be a good idea to shoot one of the lurkers (jaczac) to prove yourself. Unless of course, better targets appear during the rest of the day.

[Kromos]

If Deathfire votes me he will immediately be shot tonight as I will know his true allegiance.

Think about this logically for a second. The chances of me proclaiming Vigilante and the Mafia role-blocking AND blackmailing the true Vigilante is a bit of stretch. Not only that, but the real Vigilante would shoot me tonight if I was not him.

I thought that but you would be invulnerable so he wouldn't waste the shot. The vigi would only counter claim if you lied.

[TheWaaagh]

But, I just want everyone to keep in mind that it's also possible that deathfire is the vigilante, and that Waaagh and Escaho are terrorists. They could have easily been able to fake Waaagh knowing what role Escaho was, and Escaho would be able to have 100% trust from town as the accepted vigilante. What would be even worse would be if they also have a consort on deathfire, so that he can not kill Escaho and free himself.

In order for that to occur we would have had to blackmail Deathfire, and send a Consig at him to find out he was the vigilante. You all seem to forget (or are ignoring) that the mafia does not have a consigliere in this setup.

At best, me and Escaho were terrorists that blackmailed deathfire, and then extrapolated that he was the vigilante from troll day one posts and decided to pull off the wildest day 2 gambit ever. In other words, your "possibility" is bullshit and you're just trying to spread misinformation at this point, or you didn't think it through at all.

[Mopin]

There's no point arguing about this whole thing really. Deathfire coming online should clear up this whole situation.

[Ubernox]

Escaho: if you want to prove that you are, indeed, Jack Bauer: Give us your final target for tonigh ASAP. If that is who you kill to tonight, then we can trust you.

Do it quickly. Day ends soon, and we still haven't even lunched anyone yet. There are two possible trains here: TheWaagh or CmG. Im going to keep my vote of Waaagh now.

[Escaho]

I am starting to come around to Ubernox's side here. My only true concern is if lynching TheWaaagh reveals an Investigator. The Mafia will do anything they can to get rid of an Investigative role at this point. Investigations are going to be immensely powerful with this small amount of people.

The chances that TheWaaagh was framed and you chose him seem slim, but possible. In fact, Mopin's heal claim is just as improbable. Therefore, it is more likely that a) You are mafia and want an Investigative role to die or b) You are the true Sheriff and have discovered an actual mafia member.

[Ubernox]

There's more than one way to figure out someone's role, Waaagh. While I don't really believe my theory myself, but I want to remind everyone that you cannot trust anything that is not 100% proven.

[Kromos]

Escaho, mafia didn't need to roleblock Deathfire, seeing as he can't do anything in the day, simply being blackmailed is a possibility. I think you are Jack Bauer Escaho, though it may be a good idea to shoot one of the lurkers (jaczac) to prove yourself. Unless of course, better targets appear during the rest of the day.

He should not be shooting lurkers yet. jaczac didn't say anything on day 1 of S-FM I then turned out be the vigi himself. If he continues lurking he will be modkilled but we do not want to risk reducing town numbers this quickly when we only have 13 members to begin with. We had an extra night to investigate with the no kill but that doesn't mean we need to make up for it by randomly killing someone.

[Mopin]

As I said before I really don't believe we need a lynch today. All the town is alive with the chance of having a good heal/bodyguard tomorrow. We should wait for Escaho to prove he is Jack Bauer and for more investigative results first.

[TheWaaagh]

I am starting to come around to Ubernox's side here. My only true concern is if lynching TheWaaagh reveals an Investigator. The Mafia will do anything they can to get rid of an Investigative role at this point. Investigations are going to be immensely powerful with this small amount of people.

The chances that TheWaaagh was framed and you chose him seem slim, but possible. In fact, Mopin's heal claim is just as improbable. Therefore, it is more likely that a) You are mafia and want an Investigative role to die or b) You are the true Sheriff and have discovered an actual mafia member.

THERE.IS.NO.CONSIGLIERE. I could not have investigation results on you and still show up as a terrorist by the sheriff.

[Ubernox]

The chances that TheWaaagh was framed and you chose him seem slim, but possible. In fact, Mopin's heal claim is just as improbable. Therefore, it is more likely that a) You are mafia and want an Investigative role to die or b) You are the true Sheriff and have discovered an actual mafia member.

The really sad thing is that only I known for sure that I am sheriff. The closest proven result you can get on me is that I'm sheriff/framer, and eve then you'll only have that by tomorrow.

[Escaho]

As I said before I really don't believe we need a lynch today. All the town is alive with the chance of having a good heal/bodyguard tomorrow. We should wait for Escaho to prove he is Jack Bauer and for more investigative results first.

Oh, I can easily prove I am Jack Bauer. I could just as easily shoot you tonight. However, if I claim to shoot someone and they are healed, I will look like a fool. Similarly, if I shoot the Godfather/Arsonist, the same result may occur: no one believes me.

However, town is still at max capacity and I will survive for at least one more night due to the vest. The better results we get from investigations, the easier this will be to work out. Shooting jaczac would be easy, but I could just as easily be shooting a townie that would bring us down to 7 versus 5. I do not want to blow the chance we were given today by killing a townie that the mafia failed to kill last night.

[CmG]

So first off i live in a different time zone then you people.

TheWaaagh is framed if Ubernox is really the Sherriff. If Deathfire is really blackmailed we already know the random Mafia roles. Awesome.
This automaticly makes Escaho Jack Baur or. Ubernox and or Deathfire are lying what would be a crap scum strategy at this point.

You people seem to not understand the CTU Mole system. Basicly Those 3 maggots are working for both sides until the Mole leaves with all the information. Since they have no Consignieur in their setup i highly assume that he is the Mole and will join the Terrorists on N3 out of meta game reasons.

Be Adviced that an Investigator can't counterclaim him because it is not clear which 3 Roles are in the CTU. 1 Investigator is accounted for. Or a really really lucky shot, or 2 Terrorists doing some stupid gambit.

Our best Lynch today is the Mole. Because we render the Terrorist blind with it. It's even worth it to sacrifice one member of the CTU for it.

All those people who jump onto my Waggon should think a bit more or at least state their analysis why i am not pro town.

TheWaaagh were you swapped tonight?

[TheWaaagh]

Our best Lynch today is the Mole. Because we render the Terrorist blind with it. It's even worth it to sacrifice one member of the CTU for it.

All those people who jump onto my Waggon should think a bit more or at least state their analysis why i am not pro town.

TheWaaagh were you swapped tonight?

No, I was not bussed last night. And the mole (which I assume you mean me) is not the best choice for a lynch today because I can easily prove myself in 2 days time when Escaho joins the night chat. Seriously, how many times do I have to fucking say that? It's like you guys have blocked out all reason on your quest to lynch me. I understand that you thought I was scum earlier, but you need to accept that I'm not and move on.

[Ubernox]

Oh, I can easily prove I am Jack Bauer. I could just as easily shoot you tonight. However, if I claim to shoot someone and they are healed, I will look like a fool. Similarly, if I shoot the Godfather/Arsonist, the same result may occur

This is the same kinda thing. You really could have Bauer blocked and blackmailed, and you could just blame the lack of kill on having targeted someone who was healed/ the godfather/arsonist. But we dont have to worry about that yet: for now, just tell us your target and make your vote.

[Ubernox]

TheWaaagh could not be the mole. He is either framed or a normal terrorist.

But wait...

Do the terrorists know who their mole is, and are they able to use their night actions on him?

[Mopin]

Honestly, whether Escaho is Jack Bauer or not isn't that important right now. For one thing it's a very risky and unlikely move for the mafia, and later on or tomorrow Deathfire can reveal if he really is Jack Bauer.

It's not necessary for Escaho to kill to prove himself tonight, as I said no town have died at this point, we don't have to take risks like that.

Tonight doctor will heal Escaho and the bodyguard can get anyone else at random. We shall not lynch anyone or have the vigi random kill. This means there will only be one possible town death tomorrow, some confirmed roles and more investigation results

[Escaho]

This is the same kinda thing. You really could have Bauer blocked and blackmailed, and you could just blame the lack of kill on having targeted someone who was healed/ the godfather/arsonist. But we dont have to worry about that yet: for now, just tell us your target and make your vote.

Forcing me to shoot someone will not endear me to your side. The town thinks I should PROVE I am a Vigilante by shooting someone tonight when we have very little. What kind of logic is that? I will PROVE I am Vigilante when one of you gives me accurate investigation results so I can shoot them for you.

This is what I have learned today from others:

Ubernox investigated TheWaaagh. Found out he was a Terrorist.
TheWaaagh investigated Escaho. Found out he was Mafioso/Vigilante.
Escaho claims Vigilante.
TheWaaagh claims Investigator.
Ubernox claims Sheriff.

Kromos/CmG/Goremancer chime in with their usual "so and so must be this" or "so and so must do this" to prove themselves bullshit, ruffling feathers and WIFOMing all over the place.

Mopin/nanosystem don't even post until I threaten to shoot them and, even then, Ubernox did not post his investigation results until late in the day after I threatened to shoot Rocshi.

jaczac has said NOTHING.

GameFreak has made one post that offered nothing of value whatsoever.

And Rocshi got jumped on by me after he started a charge against TheWaaagh.

If we lynch TheWaaagh and he flips Investigator we will have two people in CTU chat: one mole and one town. Ubernox, you say you are not in CTU chat? What are the chances that TheWaaagh is the mole and was framed? And even then, if he gave those results, someone else from CTU chat would speak up and say, "No, he is lying. Those are my investigation results."

I think the Mole is lying low and not saying anything (or very little) to avoid confrontation.

You'll know I am who I say I am when I kill the scum.

[Ubernox]

Honestly, whether Escaho is Jack Bauer or not isn't that important right now. For one thing it's a very risky and unlikely move for the mafia, and later on or tomorrow Deathfire can reveal if he really is Jack Bauer.

Or they could blackmail deathfire again tomorrow. We really should have Escaho tell us his target, but we can re-evaluate our position again tomorrow.

[Mopin]

Ubernox, Deathfire can lynch someone to confirm whether he is Jack Bauer or not. Stop trying to get Escaho to kill tonight, it'll only hurt town right now.

[Escaho]

TheWaaagh could not be the mole. He is either framed or a normal terrorist.

But wait...

Do the terrorists know who their mole is, and are they able to use their night actions on him?

I just thought of this in my last post as well. If they DO know who their mole is, TheWaaagh is not framed and is stealing Investigation results as a Terrorist (or you are lying about being Sheriff). If they do not know, possibly framed.

I also wondered if Deathfire may have been the Investigator that checked me, but he would have voted TheWaaagh, not CmG. Which makes me think TheWaaagh is telling the truth.

[Escaho]

This is going to really suck if the Mafia has a Consort...

[Ubernox]

Well, he doesn't have to kill tonight. I'm fine with him just saying his target before night sometime or another.


@Escaho There are a few ways that Waaagh could have known your role:

1. You're both terrorists, and this is all an elaborate (but completely possible) ploy

2. A guess. If you werent the vigilante, Waaagh could just have easily made up some excuse.

3. He's a mole investigator, and was framed by his own team.

4. He is an authentic investigator who was framed.