S-FM III Game thread

[TheWaaagh]

Me... too? OH NO IT'S A TRAP!

[CmG]

-vote TheWaaagh

[TheWaaagh]

Did the replacements get a chance to take night actions? Or are they replacements starting "today"?

[CmG]

alread answered in the rp post from borkbot. You don't pay enough attention.

[BorkBot]

Did the replacements get a chance to take night actions? Or are they replacements starting "today"?

Allow me to shamelessly quote myself:

Both replacements were given a chance to take their night actions if they had any.

[CmG]

Since i started the train i will name the Tally as i please.




Herr Tally

TheWaaagh(1): CmG

[TheWaaagh]

My bad, I misread it. I thought it said "They were replaced because they missed their chance to take any night actions if they had any." That's not even a couple words misread, I kind of went nuts on that I guess.

[TheWaaagh]

I don't want to be the only head on the chopping block, so here we go:

Vote Escaho

Vote Tally

TheWaaagh (1) - CmG
Escaho (1) - TheWaaagh

[McJesus]

Yay no deaths, sup terrorist headhunters!

[McJesus]

why are we random lynching now? I was unaware I was playing with pubs.

[TheWaaagh]

why are we random lynching now? I was unaware I was playing with pubs.

Escaho be scum, yo.

[Escaho]

Escaho be scum, yo.

This is lies with no basis! You just don't want to be alone!

[CmG]

Everyone who tries to troll himself through this day will have a bullet in his head tonight.

[TheWaaagh]

This is lies with no basis! You just don't want to be alone!

Well I realized since we have either a confirmed doctor or a boss bus driver/escort, there's no point in hiding it:

Escaho please declare your role for everyone to hear. I am a member of the CTU. The investigator, in fact.

[CmG]

Well I realized since we have either a confirmed doctor or a boss bus driver/escort, there's no point in hiding it:

Escaho please declare your role for everyone to hear. I am a member of the CTU. The investigator, in fact.

And where is your info? Why would you reveal now? Without any info?

[CmG]

33% Chance to be the Mole. The Mole wants to survive until he joins his Terrorist friends. Glad my vote is there where it is!

[TheWaaagh]

Escaho is taking an awfully long time with that role-claim. Nervous about your possibilities?

@CmG: Not the mole bud. But it's precisely because of the mole that I decided it was worth coming out today since I re-read the rules thread and discovered the mole finds out all of my investigation results anyway. I tried not to reveal anything in the night chat to avoid that possibility.

[Escaho]

Escaho is taking an awfully long time with that role-claim. Nervous about your possibilities?

Not at all. Got a phone call, wasn't even here. Back now for a bit (company coming over for a few hours).

@CmG: Not the mole bud. But it's precisely because of the mole that I decided it was worth coming out today since I re-read the rules thread and discovered the mole finds out all of my investigation results anyway. I tried not to reveal anything in the night chat to avoid that possibility.

If you are the Investigator and know who I am, why should I role claim? And if you don't know who I am, why should I role claim?

[Escaho]

Well I realized since we have either a confirmed doctor or a boss bus driver/escort, there's no point in hiding it:

Escaho please declare your role for everyone to hear. I am a member of the CTU. The investigator, in fact.

Unless you have evidence to back up this claim, I'm afraid I must ignore it. You want me to declare my role and will likely try and point a finger at me for not role-claiming. The only reason you would do this is if you are afraid that CmG's random first vote on you will somehow start a random lynch train against you. Terrorist scum, perhaps?

No investigator would force someone to role claim without evidence or unless the situation is dire.

[CmG]

Escaho is taking an awfully long time with that role-claim. Nervous about your possibilities?

@CmG: Not the mole bud. But it's precisely because of the mole that I decided it was worth coming out today since I re-read the rules thread and discovered the mole finds out all of my investigation results anyway. I tried not to reveal anything in the night chat to avoid that possibility.

Another Mole behaviouir. Neglecting the rules because you don't care much because you ll join the Terrorists anyway. Sorry bud you wont come off that hook that easily. If you are a wifoming citizen you fail hard!

[TheWaaagh]

If you are the Investigator and know who I am, why should I role claim? And if you don't know who I am, why should I role claim?

*shrug* I wanted to see what you'd say given the two options you could be. So if you don't want to do it I guess I will. He's either the mafioso or the vigilante. It's a shame the vigilante can't day shoot in this setup. Personally, I don't believe you're the vigilante given the amount you talked yesterday, so I'm fine with your lynching your ass. Or we could wait until tonight to see what happens.

[Rocshi]

Ohai I'm here.

-vote TheWaaagh

You...are not...the investigator.
That's like my ridiculous doctor claim in M-FMIII.

[BorkBot]

DO NOT EDIT POSTS. TYVM.

[Escaho]

*shrug* I wanted to see what you'd say given the two options you could be. So if you don't want to do it I guess I will. He's either the mafioso or the vigilante. It's a shame the vigilante can't day shoot in this setup. Personally, I don't believe you're the vigilante given the amount you talked yesterday, so I'm fine with your lynching your ass. Or we could wait until tonight to see what happens.

Very well, I shall play this Kiefer Sutherland-style.

You were unwise to reveal this information, though I guess the Mole knows the results as well, so the Mafia know who I am.

However, since the mafia has no Consigliere, I must admit to believing your role claim, unless someone else disputes it. (If the mole gets the investigation results, could he not also claim Investigator? Though why he would reveal my role, I am uncertain. Therefore, I must assume you are who you say you are.)

Very well, I claim Vigilante. You may not believe me, but you will find no other Vigilante shooting me tonight because there is only one, and I am it. If someone else dares to oppose this claim, they shall be shot tonight. The reason I spoke a lot yesterday was because I can afford to take a bullet (if you'll notice in the FAQ, the Vigilante, Godfather, and Arsonist all have a one time auto-defense vest) in order to keep the town alive longer. Had I been shot, I would have role claimed immediately.

Now you had better hope there is a Doctor in our midst. At least we have the Bodyguard to defend us. The mafia knows I am not with them and can narrow the field of suspects.

[TheWaaagh]

Very well, I shall play this Kiefer Sutherland-style.

You were unwise to reveal this information, though I guess the Mole knows the results as well, so the Mafia know who I am.

However, since the mafia has no Consigliere, I must admit to believing your role claim, unless someone else disputes it. (If the mole gets the investigation results, could he not also claim Investigator? Though why he would reveal my role, I am uncertain. Therefore, I must assume you are who you say you are.)

Very well, I claim Vigilante. You may not believe me, but you will find no other Vigilante shooting me tonight because there is only one, and I am it. If someone else dares to oppose this claim, they shall be shot tonight. The reason I spoke a lot yesterday was because I can afford to take a bullet (if you'll notice in the FAQ, the Vigilante, Godfather, and Arsonist all have a one time auto-defense vest) in order to keep the town alive longer. Had I been shot, I would have role claimed immediately.

Now you had better hope there is a Doctor in our midst. At least we have the Bodyguard to defend us. The mafia knows I am not with them and can narrow the field of suspects.

It's because of the mole I decided it was best to reveal you. Sorry Kiefer, but since the mole leaves us in two nights I essentially revealed you one day early. It was either that or we lynched a terrorist on day two. The risk/reward seemed like a good move in my book.

Well, that's all I've got.

Unvote Escaho

[CmG]

Only the Mole would out Jack Bauer now. Especially with no dead Town. You sir are guilty as fuck and has to be hung today b4 you can leak more info to the Terrorists. A normal Town investigator wouldn't out his role on Day 2 for a Mafioso.

So you are indeed the Investigator(Mole)

[TheWaaagh]

Only the Mole would out Jack Bauer now. Especially with no dead Town. You sir are guilty as fuck and has to be hung today b4 you can leak more info to the Terrorists. A normal Town investigator wouldn't out his role on Day 2 for a Mafioso.

So you are indeed the Investigator(Mole)

CmG, I want you to think carefully for a second here. I'm the mole, okay? I find out someone is either a mafioso or a vigilante. Why the fuck would I say anything in the day chat? I would wait two more nights and then tell the mafia "Yo Escaho's not a mafia? Alright he's the vigilante then. You're welcome" or "Oh Escaho is the mafioso? Alright, that's chill, town has no idea".

I would not go into the day chat and make a play to get the vigilante hung. A) The town would never follow me blindly like that and B) I'd get my ass shot in the face that night by Escaho.

If I'm guilty of anything, it's of being retarded, but I still think it was a good move given the events of last night. Which reminds me, mister wants-to-lynch-me-asap, the escort blocks you and no one dies last night. Interesting, no?

[BorkBot]

Go ahead and say Jack Bauer if it pleases you. The name is plainly visible on the roles list, so any meta knowledge won't affect the game.

From the FAQ:

RP names may be assigned to some players, but these are not to be discussed or even mentioned in day chat nor in CTU chat. If this rule is broken there will be a mod sanction. Jack Bauer is the only exception to this rule.

[Rocshi]

CmG, I want you to think carefully for a second here. I'm the mole, okay? I find out someone is either a mafioso or a vigilante. Why the fuck would I say anything in the day chat? I would wait two more nights and then tell the mafia "Yo Escaho's not a mafia? Alright he's the vigilante then. You're welcome" or "Oh Escaho is the mafioso? Alright, that's chill, town has no idea".

I would not go into the day chat and make a play to get the vigilante hung. A) The town would never follow me blindly like that and B) I'd get my ass shot in the face that night by Escaho.

If I'm guilty of anything, it's of being retarded, but I still think it was a good move given the events of last night. Which reminds me, mister wants-to-lynch-me-asap, the escort blocks you and no one dies last night. Interesting, no?

So you could make that excuse.

THE TLOT PHICKENS

[Rocshi]

But then again, why would the Mole make himself so obvious?

MAYBE HES MAKING US THINK THAT SO WE THINK THAT

*drinks poisoned wine*

[CmG]

If i would be a Terrorist i wouldn't state that i was blocked. You sir a indeed a moron if you are town.


The CTU Mole wins if the Terrorists win and does not have to survive. On night 3, he becomes a Terrorist and is removed from CTU night chat. As long as the CTU mole is in CTU night chat, he will get to see all CTU actions and investigation results at the start of each day.

You don't have to live to win with the terrorists. Giving the Vigi out today is a good move for the mole if he knows the other 2 members of his night chat.

Maybe you thought you win with town if you die early? Interesting how you know in the other game how to break the game and here you do 1 error after the next.

Did they found out already that you are the mole?

Tbh i expected that kind of behaviour from the Mole when he finds a good target on Day2. Because i thought the same that the Mole wins with town if he dies early.


Decide yourself.

[TheWaaagh]

I would not just get my investigation report if I was the mole, I'd also be getting the reports from my two other CTU members. That's an advantage I would not waste on a day 2 vigilante reveal if I could just survive two days to nut in the terrorist chat. You're right, if I was the mole I would not have to survive to win, but that does not mean I'd be so careless with my life as to throw away a huge information advantage on day two. Especially when the only reason you voted to lynch me is because I jokingly responded to the "I like trains" strategy. It's almost as if I knew I wouldn't get lynched because I had information.

It turns out that my 50/50 on finding the only vigilante in the game went the wrong way, but I still don't see it as an "error" as you referred to it.

So far only like half of the people in the game have spoken, so I will wait to see what other information town has found, but in the meantime the vigilante believes my claim so I'm cool right now.

[TheWaaagh]

And if you're still convinced I'm the mole, how about this: Wait two days until I'd "vanish" from the CTU chat. Escaho will join that chat, and I can claim my name there. No need to lynch a possible mole when there's 3 mafia up in here.

[Goremancer]

Rocshi is being scummy. First thing he does, he votes TheWaaagh. So eager to jump on the train isn't he?

[Goremancer]

All of a sudden TheWaaagh is quiet. Guess you don't like to talk when there isn't attention on you anymore.

[TheWaaagh]

All of a sudden TheWaaagh is quiet. Guess you don't like to talk when there isn't attention on you anymore.

? Do you want me to keep spamming the thread?

[Goremancer]

? Do you want me to keep spamming the thread?

Yes in fact I do like it when people spam.

[Rocshi]

Rocshi is being scummy. First thing he does, he votes TheWaaagh. So eager to jump on the train isn't he?

1. Why would I kill my own mole?
2. What else is there to discuss right now other than Waaagh's stupidity/scumminess?

[Goremancer]

Doesn't matter. You can just be a mafia member trying to follow the train. CmG is always scummy so I'm just ignoring him for now. But right now you seem very suspicious. I'm not saying TheWaaagh isn't. I'm saying you both are. The rest are just having fun lurking =.=

[TheWaaagh]

1. Why would I kill my own mole?
2. What else is there to discuss right now other than Waaagh's stupidity/scumminess?

If you're the mole, your actions would make sense. But like I said, I'd prefer to wait for mafia information today before acting on a mole that will be confirmed in two days.

[Goremancer]

TOO MANY FUCKING LURKERS!!!

[Goremancer]

IMA LYNCHING ALL OF THE LURKERS. THEY'RE ALL SCUM. SCUM I SAY. LYNCH LYNCH. LET'S SEE SOME HEADS ROLLING. THEY'RE ALL SCUM!!!11111!!!!11ONEONEONE

[McJesus]

It is possible that TheWaaagh is the mole, given Mafioso is one of the hidden results and vigilante is a gaurenteed result it is more than likely Escaho is a vigilante rather than a power role. Everyone knowing who the vigilante is helps only the mafia and it is a good way of relaying information to them before day 3 in case TheWaaagh doesn't survive that long. It is also a good way of making him look clean while actually being the mole.

The argument against Waaagh being the mole is that it is a dangerous gambit to expose one of your terrorist allies. If Escaho is a mafioso he is forced to claim vigilante. Note how he hesitated until Waaagh gave him the vigilante/mafioso investigation at which point he is forced into a vigi claim. This is dangerous because if he is a mafioso the vigilante knows who to shoot night 2. Of course if the townies believe he is the vigilante he could be bodyguarded/healed so if he is a mafioso the vigilante might be inclined to counter claim instead.

[TheWaaagh]

It is possible that TheWaaagh is the mole, given Mafioso is one of the hidden results and vigilante is a gaurenteed result it is more than likely Escaho is a vigilante rather than a power role. Everyone knowing who the vigilante is helps only the mafia and it is a good way of relaying information to them before day 3 in case TheWaaagh doesn't survive that long. It is also a good way of making him look clean while actually being the mole.

The argument against Waaagh being the mole is that it is a dangerous gambit to expose one of your terrorist allies. If Escaho is a mafioso he is forced to claim vigilante. Note how he hesitated until Waaagh gave him the vigilante/mafioso investigation at which point he is forced into a vigi claim. This is dangerous because if he is a mafioso the vigilante knows who to shoot night 2. Of course if the townies believe he is the vigilante he could be bodyguarded/healed so if he is a mafioso the vigilante might be inclined to counter claim instead.

One of the things I feel like people don't get is that if I was the mole, and worried about surviving long enough to talk to my mafia buddies, I could've just PUT THIS IN MY LAST WILL. And I'd still come up as a CTU Agent in the graveyard, meaning that my investigation result that Escaho was either the mafioso or vigilante would've been less likely to be disputed.

Revealing the vigilante to town only one day early (since it's tomorrow night that mole tells the mafia who he is) does not hurt us as much as everyone is making it out to be. He still has his vest, and now the bodyguard/doctor know who to protect. Nobody died last night, so it's not like we're dropping like flies right now.

At least McPwnage gets my point of view somewhat.

[Goremancer]

I agree that having such an early vig claim is pretty damn scummy. He may just be a vig, or he maybe maf. Or maybe he's just a wifoming cit or PR. As of right now, I have no idea about Waaagh. He could be a mole, or he could be invest. Rocshi seems to be scummy. He always seems scummy to me for some reason. Anyone else feel that way？

[CmG]

Does the Mole share the Night chat with the Terrorists?


Can't find anywhere this is stated.

[CmG]

One of the things I feel like people don't get is that if I was the mole, and worried about surviving long enough to talk to my mafia buddies, I could've just PUT THIS IN MY LAST WILL. And I'd still come up as a CTU Agent in the graveyard, meaning that my investigation result that Escaho was either the mafioso or vigilante would've been less likely to be disputed.

Revealing the vigilante to town only one day early (since it's tomorrow night that mole tells the mafia who he is) does not hurt us as much as everyone is making it out to be. He still has his vest, and now the bodyguard/doctor know who to protect. Nobody died last night, so it's not like we're dropping like flies right now.

At least McPwnage gets my point of view somewhat.

Why would you reveal all the info out of the chat in your LW? If you are not the Mole then there is another Town aligned PR there. The Last Town PR should do that not the first. We are at 1. KPN at Night.

Not really you told the Mafia the Vigi if he is not the Mafioso. An Investigator working for the Terrorists who gained trust from Town is 10 times more worth then a Mafioso.
They know now not to night attack you and you waste useful Town resources now at night on you.

You are so guilty my son!

[Escaho]

Mafia, you had better watch out.

I have two shots at my disposal and I've picked up a scum tell already. If I shoot someone and they do not claim healed, they will be outed as the Godfather/Arsonist (as they also have a vest). Otherwise, said mafia will perish. I also have the bodyguard on my side and I'm sure there's a doctor lurking. I do have a safety net in the vest, but, Bodyguard, do not let that prevent you from protecting me. Two vigi shots from me and an insta-kill from you make us a very potent combination.

TheWaaagh, if I am to trust you, you must be vigilant in your efforts to find the mafia. You share a chat with the mole at night, do you not? Do you know each other's identities or is it anonymous? If there is another Investigator here, please counter-claim him today so we can sort ths out now. Otherwise, I can't see TheWaaagh being this adamant about his role and lying.

While this narrows down the role list for the mafia concerning the town, it also helps the town out by eliminating possible threats. We know several town now. The mafia/arsonist can only hide in so many places. And we're coming for them.

[Escaho]

Well, crap. TheWaaagh, your investigation results have made me rethink your allegiance.

Outing Jack Bauer right now is crucial because I cannot prevent the Arsonist from dousing/incerating me. To any lookouts: be on the lookout for the Arsonist. He is likely to douse me this coming night.

Of course, the Mole would want that to happen...

[Escaho]

@BorkBot, can we get a player list up in hurr? Is that possible?