Originally Posted by
Auckmid
At the moment, I do want to hear from Light again since I don't think even he would demand night action claims unless he actually had something to follow it up with and he obviously isn't getting those claims. Having said that...
1) The only reason why I am shown at L-2 is because Damus didn't update the vote counter. With 7 people alive, it should only take 4 votes to lynch. I doubt that Damus would actually allow the lynch on me to go through even if I do get 4 votes from this position seeing how people were misinformed on how many votes it takes to lynch and there will most likely end up being a vote reset. However, if we are using what the vote limit should be, I am still currently at L-1.
2) Everyone has checked in and no one has claimed to have been healed or the target of a failed cult attempt. For this reason, it's safe to assume that there was a successful cult action last night, bringing the scum count back to 2.
3) While I can spend more time arguing my position, my defense is still ultimately going to come down to this. Even though a few people have still not been properly reading the thread even though it has been mentioned a few times, the werewolf and the minion did not know each others actual identities, only their RP names. I looked carefully over Banshis' posts after he got lynched and I saw nothing that hinted towards his RP name. Unless someone saw something from him that I missed, the werewolf had no idea that Banshis was aligned to them. Even if you are scum reading me, interpreting Banshis' flip as evidence that I must have been scum trying to protect my ally is idiocy. Additionally, even if I was on a scum team with Banshis and knew his identity, I would like to think that I wouldn't link myself so heavily to him after he started receiving pressure.
The part of the Banshis flip that isn't completely illogical and does somewhat incriminate me is that the logic behind the Banshis lynch was based on him asking Blinkskater why he opened up with a WIFOM claim, which was perceived as anti-town, largely because people interpreted it as role-digging (obviously very anti-town in a cult setup). After he received criticism and votes for the question being anti-town, I defended the question. Since people saw the question as being very anti-town and weren't convinced by my reasoning for seeing the question as valid, I was also perceived as anti-town. Now that Banshis has been revealed as scum, people feel vindicated by their line of reasoning when lynching Banshis and are now carrying that on to try and get a lynch onto me.
The short defense that I have for this is that if I was the werewolf, I really didn't have any reason to stick my neck out and give any sort of defense for Banshis' position. Popular opinion was already shifting heavily against Banshis at the time. If I was the werewolf, then the only reasons I would have for acting like this would be...
1) I actually agreed with the logic behind pushing Banshis and wanted to derail it because I thought that Banshis was my minion and I wanted to save him. However, the logic behind this is extremely tenuous since I would be compromising my own position for a very uncertain reward. As has already been established, the werewolf didn't know who his minion was. I would have been making an argument I didn't believe in and exposing myself to try and save someone that I thought might be an ally but I could also be completely mistaken on. If someone wants to try and make an argument on why this situation is plausible, go for it, but I certainly don't think it is something that I would ever do.
2) I genuinely didn't believe the role-digging accusation. If this was the case, the only reason why defending the question would make me scum would be if I somehow would have seen the question as anti-town if I was town aligned and instead somehow didn't see it as anti-town as the werewolf. Similar to the logic of if I was on a scum team with Banshis and I knew his identity, I would very much like to think that if I was scum, I wouldn't lose the ability to look at things logically and be able to see things from a town perspective. Again, if someone wants to try and refute this, go for it, but I would have to be making the most basic of scum mistakes for this to checkout.
Unless someone disagrees with these arguments, even if you do think that I would have risked myself as the werewolf by defending Banshis' question (which is uncertain in itself), I would have made the same defense as town, making the entire argument that me defending Banshis' question makes me scum null.
While I have previously gone over a few of these points before, I am going to clarify the reasons why I wasn't that convinced by Banshis' question automatically making him scum as well as my suspicion of Blinkskater:
Prior to going into the game and before even getting my rolecard, I considered making a WIFOM claim immediately regardless of what role I got once the game started. The logic I was using was that if I was town, it could throw the werewolf off and cause them to make a mistake through my claim. If I was scum, I could use it to make myself appear pro-town since the play was coming from a "town motivated" place. The reason why I decided against this once I went into the game with a town rolecard was because I didn't think that there was actually any pro-town benefit for doing this. The werewolf would be taking a shot in the dark if he targeted me on whether to kill or to cult regardless of whether I did the play no matter what my actual role was, so it seemed pointless beyond doing a bit of pro-town theater.
When the game started I did find it to be a bit suspicious when Blink decided to follow through with what I saw as the type of gambit that I considered and opted against doing when I rolled town. TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH I DID FIND IT TO BE A BIT SUSPICIOUS, THIS ALONE WAS NOT THE REASON I LATER MADE A PUSH AGAINST BLINK. Though I had chosen not to make that type of play it was entirely possible that Blink was town and had come to a different conclusion, most likely because he had more faith in his ability to actively trigger a mistake from the werewolf which was entirely inline with his character. However, even though I thought that there was a very plausible scenario where he was town, I was still curious on his exact motivation for doing the play. As such, when someone else asked why Blink decided to make the post that he did, I was interested in hearing his rationale, so defended the question.
Even though Blink has been claiming that I've been attempting to force a role claim out of him, either due to misinterpreting what I've been saying or out of malice, that never had anything to do with it. All I wanted to know was his general motivation for doing the type of WIFOM play that I had opted out of doing earlier since I didn't believe that it would accomplish anything other then give a pro-town visage. Giving some indicator of the general motive would NOT require any information regarding the specific role.
I'm also going to mention here that even after the flip, while I do think that using Banshis' question as a basis for a lynch against him was correct, the reason why it was scummy was a bit different then what people seem to currently think. I still don't think that Banshis was thinking "Let's see if I can get people to reveal their roles so that it will be easy for the werewolf to successfully cult people. The town will never notice *evil laugh*." I think it is more likely that Banshis was thinking "Questioning people is pro-town, this is something that I can question so I'll go for it" without thinking much about why a town player would ask the question or how it would be received. The reason why I did not want to get clumped together with Banshis and why I did very much recognize the possibility that Banshis was scum was because even though I had reasons for wanting to get a response out of Blink, as the day progressed, I became increasingly aware that it was unlikely that the reason why Banshis asked the question were the same as my reasons for wanting an answer.
Since this has already taken a significant amount of time to write (this entire post is around 1500 words), I'm not going to continue this post for much longer. I'm not going to rewrite the arguments that I made when I voted for Blink (reread the original post), but reasons given were primarily because I found his reaction to the questioning to be suspicious since he essentially refused to give any type of answer and immediately clumped those who brought forward the question as scum (and since the person I got clumped with flipped scum, this is why I am in my current situation) and because I found Blink not voting me earlier in the game after he called the random questions scummy as out of character.
The very last quick point I will also make is that the push against me is pretty much solely under the belief that I am the werewolf. After the position I was in at the end of day 1, there is around a 0% chance that I would be the cult target seeing how the chance of a mislynch on me would have looked very high and still doesn't look unlikely seeing how I am technically at L-1.