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LETS FUCKING READ THIS SHIT THEN
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LETS FUCKING READ THIS SHIT THEN
First, you are the one to have put me in hammer range for mayor. Your vote seemed incredibly opportunistic because you just hopped onto it as a band wagon.
I haven't gotten strong scum vibes out of Damus for me to think he would be mafia.
Also I didn't say it wasn't worthwhile, I was pointing out that this coordination is advantageous for mafia as well. There is no reason to believe that everyone who coordinated in that are town just because they worked together. It wasn't like any scum had to go out of their way to make themselves seem town in that exchange. Yayap even said in his first post that creed posted that they were just higher reads and that he is confident there isn't atleast 2 scum in there.
Slaol - I've townread him since day 1. His free flow unrestricted posting, assures me of his townyness. He doesn't appear to be spinning a scum agenda and made some good points early on in SLAOL VS GERIK. After interacting with him myself and seeing him interact with other players it reinforces my townread on him. Naz's green check on SLAOL has nothing to do with my read.
Damus - I'm sensing a lot of town motivations behind his posts, I've also mind-melded with him a few times. I don't get the scummy vibes that I saw from his play in the last two games that he was scum. He's thinking and interacting with everyone in what I would say a townlike manor.
Naz- I do think naz is town due to meta reasons only. I think she needs to work on portraying things in a townlike manor. Scum can have a field day painting her based on her posting style/actions. Calling people dumb, and going DURHH DURHHH is ANTI town. If I wasn't using META I would push a Naz lynch 100%.
Banshis - I'm going to say that I townread him based on how fast his train gained traction and how players have asked for more contribution from him going on 2 days now. I tend to see scum asking for more contribution from low posters often, and they tend to paint it in a scummy light. I feel he's just a low poster and is likley town.
Mike - I had a slight townread on him day 1. I just feel mikes being genuine. I don't feel he's hiding anything or trying play with his normal "1 level" of wifom. He can be pretty manipulative when he's scum. I'm not talking manipulation twords other people either i'm talking about getting people to falsely read him. Sometimes he's even cocky about it.
(NuLL)
SB16- SB16 hasn't contributed to much this game for me to feel like I have a read on him. He hasn't really done anything alignment indicative. And would like to see him post more reads and interact with some other players. I do feel when he's town he is a lot more vocal about players he finds scummy and usually gets into it more with them to further his reads.
MM - MM pegged me as really towny at first, but after going over some of his posts at during the night I didn't really get the town MM vibe I normally get from him. And the fact he didn't really give a clear read on my alignment or really any explanation on me.
Gerik - Day one I didn't like him at all. We had a brief interaction that left me with scum vibes from him. I feel him VS Slaol was TVS day 1. Slaols points VS him to I also heavily agreed with. I don't really see him flipping anything but red.
TheDyingLight - I find him generally just scummy. Moreso from day 1. I do like his interactions with NAZ, I just think they are scum motivated, due to how obviously scummy naz was being. I think potentially rumox jailing him day 1 was a potential scumplay to make eachother seem more towny.
creed - Creed doesn't feel like town creed to me. In the last game I played with creed and he was town I felt that it was super obvious that he was town just by his general posting style, and the way everything ebb and flowed.(more of a POE scum
rumox - I feel like rumox is being very very careful. Making sure all of his posts are logical and make sense. his playstyle right now kind of reminds me of distorteds scum style ATM. He doesn't really seem like he wants to push hard anywhere, just wants to agree with the consensus and add intelligent insight. Gives me extremley bad JUJU and i'm not buying it.
This isn't where i parked my car.....
@Damus_Graves
Not gonna go back and find the post but I believe you asked me why I scumread naz.
Naz has been consistent. I haven’t seen any reason to scumread naz so far. The train on Banshis proves that imo, and I feel even more strongly that naz is town because she switched off. I don’t see a reason for scum to do that, esp one like naz that isn’t scumread widely. You’d rather want a scum mate to hop off for free town points.
The Banshis train is winding down and now he sees he needs to add more, that’s good enough for me right now. The next place to go is probably Gerik or TDL, or id always be down for Mike. But I’m going to be careful with me vote. Trying to break a habit of slinging my vote around for no reason.
This is very colorful and I'm quite impressed with the amount of time you probably spent putting this all together. I don't mean to necessarily detract from any of your arguments but you list meta reasons for quite a lot of postings and that's feels quite troublesome.
That said, who would you want to push a lynch on? I could assume Rumox since you have your vote pressed on them, but I thought I'd open the floor up to any changes given the posting.
This isn't where i parked my car.....
This isn't where i parked my car.....
Why agree with a policy lynch. It is literally common knowledge that policy lynching is the literal worst thing town can do. But you open fire on Slaol for wanting to policy lynch on his first post and say that because of this you cannot be suspected cause LOL HE DID IT FIRST. Thats weak as fuck and you know its weak as fuck. You arent new to this so how is that the in defense for you? Also tell me why you KNEW that it was bait to lynch scum but still walked into it in the first place? That literally sounds like discrediting what Slaol attempts to do and we all know that Slaol loves his mindgames.
The response that Slaols logic isn't fluid doesnt make sense either because literally everyone else was against his idea until you said cool bro me too and he gave you the opportunity to even change your mind but clearly you saw the opportunity to gain a free lynch and stuck to your guns. Thats scummy AS LITERAL FUCK DUDE. We all know that the scum want lynches free and it has been stated multiple times that mislynching is bad and you still were all for a day one lynch on slaol BASED around his logic sucks and it contradicts itself so he must be scum. You need to revisting the idea of what being defensive is because slaol LITERALLY went on the aggressive on you and spammed the hell out of your posts and broke them down and explained why he thought they all were scummy posts. There is so much discredit in what Gerik responds to Slaol with even though the mindset that Slaol was posting in was TOWN AS FUCK can we talk about that for a second. You responded to him saying why you two arent ever on the same team with saying clearly im town lol you must be scum but lets lay devils advocate for a minute. Thats literally a scum tactic dude. Why would town ever actually put themselves in a scum slot to discuss shit? That doesnt actually solve the discussion of him calling you out as scum. It actually dissolves the conversation into a circlejerk.
[quote-Gerik]Why would you immediately assume we're not on the same team? I'm town, so that would make you scum. But for the sake of argument, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not claiming to be scum and are trying to say that you are town and I'm scum.
Let's review the facts:
Fact 1: You suggested that we policy lynch you on the grounds that your role is too powerful in scum hands
Fact 2: I agreed with said policy lynch
Fact 3: You then began to accuse me of being scum, as shown here.
Since you didn't accuse me of being scum until after I reiterated my support of your lynching , we can conclude that you believe support of your lynch to be a scummy position (ignoring for the moment the obvious OMGUS nature of that behavior).
However, you were the one who originally suggested lynching you, so by that logic you would also be scum. Therein lies the conundrum: If you're town and the suggestion was pro-town, as you claimed, then supporting it should also be seen as pro-town in your eyes. But you see me as scummy for supporting it. This means that either you know it's pro-town and are still actively against it (which would make you scum for opposing a pro-town plan) or you never saw it as a pro-town plan to begin with (which would make you scum for suggesting it).
I do now.
It is indeed unfortunate that you are mafia.
And now, on today's episode of Slaol argues with Slaol (emphasis mine):
Good news, Slaol. You've been upgraded from 'policy lynch' to #1 Scum read.[/quote]
This is a summation of what Slaol stood on but you dont actually explain why YOU took up the flag for policy lynching which is also a CLEARLY antitown mindset. We all know why Slaol did what he did but when we read up on your posts in response you dont sufficiently explain what your train of thought was, with exception to responding to slaol being scummy and the conclusions you made on why. We can apply those same arguments to your posts. Slaol literally said that you were twisting the Narrative on his posts to make him scummier than he actually was. You asked me for posts on that and i provided the ones that gave me that thought. But you dismissed them and because my posts didnt seem to give you that read you dismissed the point entirely even though thats literally one of Slaols points about you being scum. lets move on to todays posts.
Slaol pointed out my shortcomings and you are trying to direct other players onto me and slaol without coming at me directly. Thats a scum tactic JS i literally used it last game. You voted Banshis based on literally bullshit and the train took off so fast that scum are very likely to hop on that dick. You dont provide any other explanation on why you are voting banshis save for pressure and banshis is in the same catagory that SB blink are in but you didnt pressure them even tho they have been slightly more active than banshis and more likely to respond. It literally looks like you are just trying to get more free lynches without actually making decent contributions to the game. What have you even done? respond to a few questions probe a few players make a vote on a pressure train without questions to go behind it (making it seem like pressure isnt the objective for you) discredit slaol. Slaol is actually super right this isnt a game that is being played to the caliber that a dude like you should be bringing it on at.
Lets see your repose to this I bet fucking money that you try and discredit me too
Mike what's your current reads on Gerik and SB16?
This isn't where i parked my car.....
LOL Damus, who are you even talking to?
This isn't where i parked my car.....
oh, I can work with that-vote gerik
This isn't where i parked my car.....
Why do you suggest that the mafia had no better kill than Yayap? Do you really not think that Bus Driver, BG, Doctor, Lookout, sHERIFF, jailor, Vigilante dont have more value than a networker?
Are you really telling me that you did not even try and think about who value targets for mafia are based on role? Almost every single role in this game can be harmful to a scum team and then combined with the players in each slot makes some of those roles even stronger to mafia kills. This chart is very weak. You put very little thought into this post beyond what color should i make my words. If we assume Sheriff is town the mafia 100% want the sheriff to be dead. Assume BG is town OF COURSE mafia want them to be dead. Bus Driver is the literal mafia worst nightmare, He creates so much havoc in the night actins that IM SO SHOCKED THAT SLAOL IS STILL ALIVE LETS BE HONEST HERE. We dont even have to talk about Doctor. Explain this post literally for me please because it is all kinds of terrible.
TBH i think slaol is still alive because of my wifom, I made it clear he was my townread, and I was going to protect my townread. However I was hoping mafia would have tried to target Naz, I should have known Gerik possibly needed naz alive for his "Doc" gambit to pay off. I wouldn't have protected Yap either way for I had no prior experiences playing with him.
This isn't where i parked my car.....
Like I said tho, i'm NOT protecting Naz tonight =P
This isn't where i parked my car.....
-vote Gerik
I'm also with this. I don't like that Gerik's effective only counter argument to @Slaol 's pressure on him in regards to the policy lynch was that MM also seemed to agree with it. That's not a defense, it's really just a redirect.
Because MM committed to his night action based on the networker chat, I'm inclined to believe he's town.
As Slaol said probably 4 dozen times by now, Gerik just knows better than to policy lynch. Day 1 lynches are bad and they should feel bad.
I'd appreciate not to have people action-hunting. I will reveal my action and result if I deem it would be useful for the town; if scums try to WIFOM around, we'll catch them. But yes, I did not target Yayap else I would obviously be voting someone into oblivion lol.
I would like to add that I trust the people who were in the chat enough to trust the results.
I am not shure about Gerik. I get the feel of a scum playing town but not worth killing a possible town doc. Sb16 I read d1as scum painting me but I read Yayap as scum painting me even more. And he flipped town. So right now I am not trusting my own reads. Blink I was to trust you. Your read on me was dead on 100% correct. Almost to good and that scares me. I am not going t Ouse my grave digger ability today. Becuse I do not know who to trust. Be wonderful if Naz and Slaol where confirmed town. I know you will scum read me for saying that but it is true. I already know I will be niber1 lych target tomorrow. I am ok with that. Becuse if a power roll dies tonight. Town can’t risk me being scum and talking that role.
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If THAT is what you took away from my posts yesterday, either you didn't read them or you misunderstood them. Please point out the post(s) in which I justified any of my arguments by saying that MM agreed with them.
Saying I should "know better because they're bad" is not much of an argument as to why policy lynches are always bad. If you've got something more compelling, I'm all ears. Also, as I've already stated, I had started to get a scum lean on Slaol and wanted to see how he responded. I maintain that his response was poor, and I'm confused as to why no one else seemed to care about it. Though now it appears he is most likely town unless we find out that naz isn't.
Well, you say OMGUS is towny...? Because you were stating that as a balance to night kill analysis, that you deem to be incriminating Mike, at least a bit.
I mean, I can understand a null read on TDL for low activity, and on Banshis for the same reason (although I don't get the town lean but u say it's gut). But a null read on Mike is really weird, and I think you're afraid of forming reads on people because you're been focused on Slaol only. However, you're not a newbie... I've read Naz results and.... ew. I did scumread Slaol, earlier; but now, knowing that he is town, you just pushing a policy lynch because of his sole role (at first, and then you pushed him for his reaction to it) is scummy, don't you think? @Gerik
TL;DR : I think you might be scum afraid to make reads on people because you've been so focused on Slaol that you can't get a big picture.
No. At no point have I said OMGus is towny.
It's true, Mike has made a lot of posts. The thing is, I don't really understand what he's saying half the time. Rules of grammar and spelling are mere suggestions to him. And frankly, I don't know him well enough as a player to determine if his poor logic is just a result of him lacking an understanding of it or if it's intentional manipulation on his part. My guess is that it's the former, which is why I find it difficult to read him.
The scum team I had in my head yesterday was: Slaol, Damus, Creed, and Yayap. I wasn't completely sure on Creed and Yayap because Yayap is hard to read and Creed didn't take any strong stances. I've been trying to re-evaluate my reads today based on the information that Slaol is likely town.
So far I've decided that I still think Damus and Creed are mafia and that Creed only went along with Yayap's plan because he it cost him very little (he still got to roleblock a powerful town role) and gave him town cred.
Gerik (5 [L-2]):
creedkingsx, blinkskater, Damus_Graves (Mayor), Marshmallow Marshall
Just saving this for later.
It goes beyond that dude. You dont have to "explain why its scummy" but you could support why its NOT instead of needing specific questions you can try to move away from.
You could post your game solution instead of needing Yayaps.
You could pick a read and lead on it.
You're literally ONLY being reactive and its scummy and anti-town.
Again, here, you need hand holding to even grasp what you should do in basic conversation
But you've implied it.
You here say that you thought he was a confused townie who reacts to vote with OMGUS.
But here you oppose the NKA (which you claim to be incriminating towards Mike) to the OMGUS.
Which makes me think that you're opposing them... I think I might've been too tunneled on Slaol
Poor logic =/= no intent, it makes the intent OBVIOUS, usually. I personally have doubts on him, but that comes from meta because he once fooled me hardcore, but you say you have no meta on him. If it wasn't for meta I'd read him as town. I didn't read his reply (if it exists) to my question about him wanting to be lynched, earlier.
I do agree however that @Mike has to stop making typos every three words, it makes his posts hard to read cough cough.
What are these absolute trash replies? Are you putting effort into this? Gerik you are legit better than this, and im sad here.
You havent responded to me AT ALL.
WAIT A MINUTE. HOW COMES SLAOL ISN'T IN YOUR CONFIRMED TOWN CATEGORY @naz