None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
Oh, as in he would have killed someone specifically to take their role? I didn't even think about that. Ok, well going through the list:
Mayor - untargetable
Doctor - not useful to scum
Lookout - not useful to scum
Veteran - immune to mafia kill
Survivalist - wouldn't actually die + not that useful even if he did
Vigilante - Good, but can only be used once
Grave Digger - you are here
Jailor - some use, but relies on there being a no lynch today, which can't be depended upon
Escort - Very Desirable
Networker - some use, but not great for scum
Bus Driver - very Desirable
Bodyguard - no good
Sheriff - no good
The way I see it, there are only 4 targets he'd really want, with BD & Escort being clearly better than the rest (imo) since they both cause confusion without leaving a trace and are repeatable on a consistent basis.
While it's true that Networker is not on that list, Yayap is obviously a strong player that mafia knew was working against them, so it's possible that Mike is scum and they simply prioritized eliminating Yayap over bolstering Mike's power.
I know but jail chat is still information other people want, regardless if it turns out useful or not. I'd rather it be intact in its subjective usefulness glory for all to read than it being lost and having people question what was said and drawing conclusions from it
Wow most of these last few posts have been absolutely useless.
And yet you are so inclined to lynch based off of it. Your "PoE", is just people you think are town. If you really are a town Sheriff, then the only people you could reliably "eliminate" are yourself and Slaol. Yet you have many others. So no, they really are reads.
And with that I'm off to class. See ya'll in 7+ hours.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
This is anti fun play. Are you even playing the game at this point?
This is what I was thinking. The players here are very good and most of us have enough understanding of WIFOM that the town read on Slaol could just be a product of WIFOM. Naz/Slaol team could be just as likely as both being town. I have a town read on both players but taking things on blind faith on day 2 is highly illogical. Yayap is also exactly the type of player to network the players he thinks are likely to be scum/problems for town. So I don't take the fact that they were all networked as any validation of town.
On the surface I agree with this post highly. But I disagree that Yayap read them all as allies and I can square that basis on the conversations Yayap and I have had before the game. Then within the game Yayap wouldn't straight network all his town reads because that isn't a high value play (Yayap loves high value plays)
What is this dumb aggression? When you are barely questioned and the train you started is gaining traction.
To be exact. Literally this was all that Yayap was doing day 1. Going by your own logic Yayap should have stated who he was networking before day ended to be pro town and clearly that wasn't the case. There are plenty of pro town reasons to hold some things back and thus limit mafia interventions.
Lol Those who would DARE QUESTION YOUR TOWNLINESS! I love it.
I agree that having banshis as a seemingly policy lynch is absolutely the worst idea. And it definately looks that way. If we assume Naz is town there is exactly 1 piece of evidence to begin a PoE read and that is her claim of town read on slaol through sheriff actions. and through that we have a list of 5 possible scum and work our way through there? That actually seems like a scum wincondition more than a town minded post. Scum want a mislynch and with how quick the banshis train took off it is very suspicious.
Sheep. Why do you town read naz? why do you having nothing else for the slot (which doesnt even make sense) factor into your sheep?
Interesting.
You just now noticed that? It seems super suspect that you swapped votes so quick after the train reached L-2.
This.
This is the quick vote swap in question.
the only ppl i can reliably eliminate are myself and yap for being dead
i couldn't clear slaol at the time because i didnt know he could not target himself
now that i know he can't he is moved into confirmed
in this PoE i chose to trust the people i shared in the night chat because of what and how everything was discussed; although they are not confirmed. so no, they are not reads, they are a scenario, where the people at the bottom of the list really need pressure on them today.
@naz
you started with banshis and the train took off super fast. This is usually indicative of scum hopping onto what seems like a free train. TDL disagrees with you and you swap votes onto him without reading into the people who hopped onto your bandwagon. that course of action is highly suspicious considering my previous statement. The tone in your post suggest that you genuinely feel that TDL is scummy for his withholding of Jailor chat and the distrust he has in you. What is it about your interactions with him that make you suspect him and worth a vote?
yayap flippd town and you weren't in the nightchat to read anything that happened so this holds no water
oh look someone else that can't read. wonderful
you people keep say policy lynch but i don't think you know what it means.meme.jpeg
DUHHHHH MAYBE BECAUSE THAT POST MADE IT L-2 DUHHHHHHHHH DURRRRRRRRR
AND THE POST MADE 5 MINUTES BEFORE IT WAS L-3 DURRRRRRRR
SOME PEOPLE ARE AT WORK DUHHHHHHH
IF HES AT L-2 WHY NOT PRESSURE SOMEONE ELSE WE ARENT EVEN AT 24 HR DUHHHHHHHHH
@Gerik
I quoted a majority of them. What do you think about Slaol seemingly forgetting about you in this opening day chat? If we notice the two trains that were on Slaol and Gerik yesterday and compare them to the train that started today I believe we have a few scum that we can pressure through the vote analysis. What would be your opinions on that?
Ok, I'm home now.
First, I can't believe you guys lets a train get into hammer range for the mayor before even half the day has been used, the train literally was a bandwagon and no doubt there is mafia on it. I doubt Damus is mafia, but Gerik putting me into that range so early is incredibly suspicious.
Second, I have no doubt that Yayap is a good player, but to everyone taking this architect combo and coordination as everyone having to be town is idiotic. Nothing about this coordination makes them town. As long as one person in that group is mafia this coordination works out in their fucking favor. Escort is roleblocking the bus driver meaning their hit can't be redirected. The Sheriff is checking a pretty big town target who people were already not going to lynch. This means none of them are being checked. Also if Naz + Slaol scum team then they can make a scum seem guranteed town (will say I believe this is not the case, but stating it anyways). Lookout is visiting the roleblocked busdriver meaning their kill in undetectable on whoever they go for. I'm sure that there is a mafia in that group and they know it. If Gerik is mafia also then they already know that the doctor won't stop them from a kill on Yayap. Blinkskater stated that he would protect his highest town read. He made it obvious Slaol was his biggest town read. Then if you assume he wasn't literal and just wanting to bait them to attack Naz who he ended up guarding they don't go for her because she is expecting protection and her dying anyways would make the protectives look suspicious. This all leads to Yayap getting killed and because of how great of a player and the fact he is town, all the people in that chat are practically confirmed town!
@Damus_Graves
Why not ask me why i "forgot" about gerik, which is hilarious given i mentioned him quite a few times and then explained why id be directing somewhere else for now. Read dude.
I know Yayap much better than you. Meta on Yayap holds more weight than 98% of anything you have said today. You have made unnecessary leaps of logic and slapped the people in the face that have questioned you about it which is completely unwarranted at all. Poorly skilled players typically respond with LOL U DUMB BRO READ THE THREAD once questioned and questioning others intentions/actions is literally an important portion of this game.
I have read the thread multiple times and I still have doubts about your claims/plays because of the method of your responses. Don't raise your voice improve your arguments.
I actually question what you read through my post considering that I already responded to this point.
Part of this game is also in analyzing the speed of a lynch and the speed of people who swap off of it and where they put their vote. It is also my duty as a player to question the motives behind literally everything you do.
I suggest stopping the baby rage and responding intelligently.
You are absolutely Right. I apologize slaol.
@Gerik
Ignore the first half of my post LOL
For the record Banshis, effort only coming out during high pressure is fucking suspect as hell. Gonna need a lot of reads rather than conspiracy to move me
Since people keep arguing Yayaps intentions:
Spoiler : Yayap's First Post :
Also I'm satisfied.
-unvote
@Yayap youre so kind <3
Naz is getting on me for oversharing the night chat but people keep arguing like they were fucking there and it's getting annoying.
Also auckmid did say we could quote the chat, just not screenshot it.
Not gonna lie. Big fan of Yayap dedicating his entire game to my existence. See you in werewolf ball plz
I quoted posts that I read having the intention that I asked Gerik about. Gerik's defense wasn't as weak as you claim it to be. It wasn't strong, but it wasn't weak like Mike lol.
D1 lynch doesn't favor town historically speaking. Based on day one we would have had a 30% chance of lynching scum if we just point our finger and guess. The accusations you had on Gerik and the response he gave wasn't enough to convince me to straight lynch the dude on d1. Today we have more information to go by, example being the vote analysis.
LOL WEAK. What did you want me to do to the guy with what I had on the table yesterday? The man already responded to you and I factored that into the response he gave me. Its like you are trying to say I hit it and quit it cause the train was too tough to run.
He lied in his defense.
You didnt bring up the major contradictions i had caught hin in.
You unvoted after 1 wave of questions.
Even if my accusation was weaker than i think and his defense stronger, you did not produce to the level of someone trying to get answers. You produced to the level of scum damus that softballs questions for town credit to his target.
Your questioning was beneath town damus. I had you as lock town until that.
Youre not my focus now so im gonna let it go, but as someone who values their own performance you deserve to look back and critique yourself.
Moreover, you let him say that i had to "pick his apart" which is only true in that i responded to EVERYTHING he said multiple times in multiple instances for multiple reasons, so in there some were shorter. Yet he can "only respond to the pertinent stuff" and you let him gloss over clearly just dodging the discussion as a whole.
His night action may prove me wrong in the end, but you put up a weak ass attempt dude. I even went more inactive to hopefully watch a town damus rip him apart and you just walked away
Even if youre not gonna follow through on a day 1 lynch on a good player on a weak role.... I hear you on all that... you know as well as I do that good players slip the most day 1 before they can feel out the game. Gerik is going to be much better today, which is a part of why I'm abandoning questioning him at the moment.
I'm gonna go do something else so I don't spam lol
Damus i'm not mad i'm just disappointed.
I'm going to work on a reads post with pretty colors.
This isn't where i parked my car.....
ARE YOU
TELLING ME
THAT I AM
PLAYING POORLY?
MOTHERFUCKER LETS GO