Also I think it's pretty unfair to tie me at the hip with Gerik in your accusation because I agreed with a single post he made and didn't like how you brushed it off, WHICH you did to me later by saying "if you don't see how blah blah I can't help you" to a post of mine. My push against you is independent of Gerik all together. If people are manipulating the narrative, you're one of them.
I don't see anywhere in your post where Gerik has been manipulating the narrative btw. All I read is
Me Slaol, me say policy lynch good. Gerik agreed with me and voted me? SCUM
Nope. I could just go quote your posts again. I was high on you and then your accusation was simply worthless. Theres no narrative shift in saying your main point when first asked was "Gerik made a good point", and then didn't touch it again. Your final point was "He should have wanted me to do something else". I am a man of numbers, and my initial reaction was to get you off of Naz more than to put you on SB, but you've never once accused me of buddying with Naz. I recommended an execute on SB because I feel it is palletable for most given his activity, and I wasn't in the mode to push you to Blink. Which you actually haven't followed with any read on Blink. You've used it against me and thought into it 0. Your effort is weak and straw grasping.
Do elaborate for my peanut brain tho how he has manipulated the narrative. If I agree with you I'll gladly lynch him
@rumox
In this post here I just now pointed out Gerik claiming that scum reading someone is not the ONLY reason to see them as scum. Yet his move from "policy lynch" to "Slaol is the #1 scum" was rooted ONLY in my reaction and scum reading of his action. Before that it was just a "TvT policy lynch ok guys", but after that I took an action he specifically said wasn't scummy in itself, and then read it as scummy. Lies. Manipulation. Narrative. IN THREAD FACT
So, Rumox, did Gerik make a shit policy lynch, and then root his following push on something he himself said wasn't enough or did he not?
It's 3:45 am for me. I'm hyped as fuck for this game right now but im dying. So we'll continue later Rumox
I didn't touch it because it wasn't me that was making the read. I was just making an observation.
What is this in reference to?
I mean I figured everyone knew I wasn't going to execute the Sheriff night 1... lol. I just threw her name in there in response to me saying earlier she wasn't doing much posting, that's why I didn't assume you were pulling a vote away from her. I have been pretty vocal about my opinion that you tried to pull the execute away from Blink so to say I am using it against just you isn't accurate.
Yeah 8pm here and I got work tomorrow, catch
This post here is my hurdle to understand you. Are you paraphrasing or are there posts you can directly quote proving this? I know you will just want to say READ THE THREAD but I much rather have the accuser do the leg work. It does have its merits, other than being lazy. It reduces the chance of misunderstanding.
"TvT policy lynch ok guys"
Specifically that part. Because that sounds like a potential scum slip indicating he knows your are town and using the policy lynch as an excuse for the fallout of a dead town.
You all don’t get it. If Slaol was my scum mate I would have voted him up long ago. Not go for a vet. How many times do I need to answer the same question. I am not defending Slaol. I have scum read Slaol all game but it does look like he is solo no one taking his side. The feels townie to me. No one is even trying to redirect off him. And no I am not but a lot of people are redirecting off SB16 who is posible scum. And who is hardly posting. Yet posts as soon as I vote him for the first time (suspect). How the hell os anything I am doing scummy?? Like I said if I was scum I would not vote vet D1 would be stupid as a scum move. How do you vet. Town players not see that blows my mind.
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Im just chexking in im still drunk ftom lqstt night i cant really play this rn i will be mmuch mire active day 2 i swear. Lol rumox if u jail md cuz no lynch ur noob as fuck dont lynchnslaol day 1 thats also noob as fuck-vote thedyinglightthis guys scum yall can thank me on monday lol
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Well that was fun to all read. I'll hold my vote where it is until there is more activity garnered from Slaol's big reveal post. I don't fully agree with some of his reads, but I quite agree with a lot of his reasoning so I would like the see the responses of the likes of Yayap, Banshis and Gerik. I'm also curious to see Marshmellow's response to all this.
That "mic drop" post was surprisingly informative. But not for reasons Slaol intended.
tl;dr- Slaol says it all... Highlighted in red.
longer version:
Slaol claims his plan from the beginning was to propose an anti-town plan and get scum to agree with it so he could find them. However if you read his Topic 3 section which I've highlighted above you'll see that his plan also involved getting town to vote him and he lists all the ways he tried to manipulate them to vote for him. The thing is, if he was town, how would Slaol know who was town in order to seek out their votes with this plan? He started this on page 1 of the game. Yayap and MM were just as likely to be scum as anyone else. Keep in mind he claims that this was his plan from the very beginning and he even cites his early pressure on MM as part of this plan (which started on page 3 of the game). The only way he could possibly know anyone's alignment so early is if he is scum.
Well only thing I can come from all this is one fact everyone saying they know me and mm town and me and mm are dumb ass town. So Putting MM in my core town slot. MM any ideas since we the 2 dumb red neck townies. Lol
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He's suggesting to Yayap who to put in his night chat and incorrectly assumed you were a male. He's suggesting Yayap makes a night chat with you to discuss who you're targetting for your night action and with Rumox to discuss Rumox's jailor chat interactions.
Like 95% of this website is male so it's generally easier to assume people are male than to spend the work of trying to properly write a sentence that's gender ambiguous. If he's incorrect in the male assumption, then all that happens is you correct him and he will adjust his actions appropriately from then on.
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That entirely depends on Yayap's decisions and reads. If Yayap (is town) trusts the sheriff and jailor, then it's a good idea. I don't necessarily think Slaol was implying he, himself, should be involved with the night chat.
Yayap could also entirely choose to put himself with 1 other town read and 2 scum reads in order to do personal interrogations.
Trying to solve. Town.
Neutral bullshit opinion on a key topic. Scum
Trying to solve the game, town.
Trying to solve, town.
My gameplan required people show their hands and they did.
@naz i had no idea you were a girl. Ill try to fix that but 100% im gonna mess up again
Please note geriks dismissal of my post tries to hinge on prior knowledge when i actually discussed why i read them as i did. Narrative manipulation
Sup nerds
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Uuuuhhh I didn't see the spoiler time to read
That's fucking FAT post. Wallposts are good to make something on ONE matter, like a case or an ISO... not an entire catch up, we can't even quote it without getting instant headaches.
I don't think that the Mike post is that scummy tbh. Having the worst case scenario laid out, even if unlikely, proves that we need to be careful with out lynches.
However, I won't say he's God almighty either lol. Just town.
MM who do you townread?
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-vote geriki agree with Slaol about Gerik, and rumox.
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Slaol has spewed town, he is posting unhinged. I dont see slaol flipping scum this game and if he does his dick may be a tad bigger then mine
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Mike - Stealth looks TvT. They are both tunneled and throw rocks at eachother, and discrediting eachother and themselves by scumpainting NAI stuff (posting after someone votes you, saying someone is either town or scum, stating the worst case scenario, basing stuff on TDL's threats on him (Mike) without realizing he has threatened a lot of people here, etc.)
I don't see where Gerik manipulated the narrative. Plus, policy lynch is a very large word. Policy lynches don't suck IMO; but that's not alignment indicative, that's just our opinions on game theory lol. What Gerik is saying is that a scum bus driver without any feedback to bussed players, in this setup, is very dangerous, and he's right. He could absolutely fuck up the investigative leads, the vigi kills, basically everything.
Now, with Slaol's big post. The question is: Would Slaol pull a scum gambit like this, just to then say it was all his masterplan (Which includes giving fake reads and scumpainting, by the way...) to get reads?
What would he gain from it? Well, he'd gain a nice chance of survival, he'd gain confusion factor (Which was already pointed out by Gerik, and that is very true), also a really, REALLY big WIFOM for his scummates, a potential high town status as a very powerful scum role, and probably some mislynches into the mix.
Now as town, what would he gain from it?
A way to have global reads, application of meta, and that's it. At the cost of a metric fuckton of confusion, spotlight dragging, and giving WIFOM to scums by giving them scenarios to which they can conform or not to manipulate reads.
I think the scum side of it is bigger. Gerik is a null read for me because his posts work as any alignments; however, Slaol's reaction to those is not towny at all. If Slaol flips scum, I will have Gerik as a very high town read. In the event he'd somehow flip town, Gerik needs to be looked at more closely.
No. You don’t see what he went through in the worst case scenario though.
1. TDL was threatening to shoot him at the time.
2. Blink has said he would protect his highest townread.
Why does mike think that’s him? Blink hasn’t really interacted with Mike almost all game. What reason does blink have to protect mike? This post shows that mike thinks blink would protect him or you. Meaning that either he’s scum or he thinks you’re scum with blink. And he doesn’t think the latter.
Mike refuses to address this, instead responding to 1/4 of my posts.
Also, time to address this:
In this post I included a class=hidden line of text saying
He did not address it. He didn’t reference it.i'd be lying. this bit of the post is just to see if mike actually reads
Mike does not review his posts. This is just utterly antitown, even if it isn’t scummy. It shows he doesn’t spend time thinking about what he’s saying. Call me a discreditor all you want, IMO this is nigh irrefutable proof that mike isn’t trying his hardest to dispute me. If you feel like jumping to conclusions, you can also say that he is doing so because he knows I’m town and he’s scum and that building a lynch is going to be hard.
Think on what I’ve said. Mike is almost certainly scum and if not he’s definitely not putting everything into this game.
Christ MM, and others, you people misuse WIFOM a hell of a lot.
If Slaol flips scum, I will look into Yayap more closely, and into Creeds, Naz and Banshis. Yayap - him could very well be SvS (even though I'm not sold on this at all, I townread Yayap). Slaol didn't interact with Creeds or Naz; yet they did post, could be something there. And he said he scumread Banshis, yet only addressed him once, in his wallpost.