Sick, since you don't think I'm the scummiest, I need to convince you that getting the benign is the best course of action.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
If you don't think I'm the scummiest, I think you can organize a counter vote on the benign tomorrow.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I don't know why I typed that twice.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Honestly at this point Slaol is literally saying everything I was going to say so I'm just going to remain silent because I have no objections, and ask the jury to murder my client xD
What I think you should do is say:
If mafia uses the auto guilty on Voss, you(the judge) will give the win to the bomber if there's ever a choice between making the bomber win or the mafia win.
You also have to mean it.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Come on Marshmallow. If you don't think I'm most likely to be scum, what I'm arguing is what I believe to be a path with a higher probability of town winning. But you need to threaten kingmaker and prisoner's dilemma for this to work. And Slaols a bit slow in responding, and we're all on a time limit for the mafia member that's going to auto guilty me, unless I can convince them not to.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Lets talk to #2 and hear out his willingness to win later. Since a lynch reset is no longer necessary
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Then, you have 3 scenarios.
1)
A mafia can say, "Oh, no IM the real bomber". Then you have 2 bomber claims. This means everyone knows that the two bomber claims want each other gone. Whoever doesn't vote one of these 2 bomber claims is the mafia claim, and CAN be voted out by the other 2 towns members and the real bomber. Which will happen because you threaten to side with the bomber claim that votes the PoEd red scum.
2)
Both mafia can say they're the bomber, as well as the real bomber. At that point, the play is kind of similar to eliminating one of the scum. You side with whoever follows your orders. And you can't miss because you have all 3 scum outing themselves.
3)
Bomber doesn't out. This means everyone's pretending to be town, and you can order a vote on the person you think is most scummy. Whoever doesn't follow you is the person you will deem to lose in kingmaker. Then, it turns back into mafia where we're tricking you to believe they're town. THEN you can garauntee the town win by eliminating your scummiest people. And scum deserve to win if they can trick you.
Getting me into trial was not the way to win this game.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
You need to convince the mafia, that you intend to let the bomber out themselves if they use their auto guilty. If they cc the bomber, the town wins instead of the bomber.
You also need to convince the remaining towns person in the jury to vote innocent.
@Mike I think that's you.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
And let's talk about the scenario where the mafia doesn't guilty me but I'm still voted out.
At that point, you will ask the jury who voted what. If there's a discrepancy, you'll take as truth whoever you townread the most, and call for a vote on the accused guilty voters. (this assumes no scum out themselves). If no one follows you, you can ask the bomber to out and side with the bomber. Then the situation is similar to the above.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I think this lays out what happens given any scenario that unfolds. Any team that veers off the plan, Slaol will side against in a kingmaker.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Oh shit. I didn't realize Kenny didn't vote for me. Kenny is probably your lock town here. Then Mike?...
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Slaol, you have to give some convincing reason for the townspeople that don't trust me, to vote me innocent. Otherwise, scum are going to vote guilty, and you can't force a scum outing tomorrow.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I do have to say, after this game, I'll have shaken my apparent scum meta for asking neutrals to out themselves early. Because its not a scum meta. It's objectively good town strat, and its NAI when I say it.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
This man Bullied my son and now my son is gay. I demand justice!!!
there is no way the mafia is going to allow Voss to be voted innocent if he is town. Voting him guilty is the only option here, because the mafia will just force a guilty if Voss is town.
If Voss walks out of here innocent then that's just proof of him being Guilty.
Also @Voss please hold this gun for me
AH, HE'S GOT A GUN!!
Notice how #2 doesn't actually address my carefully laid out plan. He doesn't care if mafia win or lose. He just wants out of this game with his win.
He also doesn't trust Slaol to correctly pick out the 3 scum, so he's afraid of not getting his win and having stuck around in this game for nothing.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Me walking out of here innocent means that:
-town trusts that Slaol will not vote all of them out
-mafia knows Slaol will always go against them if they do the auto guilty
-scum knows Slaol will always go against them if they vote guilty
This has nothing to do with whether I'm actually guilty or not.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
The mafia have the power to produce 3 guilty or innocent votes in the jury today and there are 4 people in the jury now. You should never vote innocent if you are town because the mafia will have the voting power to lynch Voss if Voss turns out to be town anyway.
Unless MM is the corrupt juror, then the mafia would have 2 votes out of 4 in the jury.
I actually have a plan that would make both the bomber and mafia win together.
If Voss turns out to be town and is lynched today then that puts them at 2 town misslynches in a row. then all the mafia and bomber need to do tomorrow is team up and lynch 1 more townie and then they both will win together. Host confirmed that mafia and bomber wins together in that case.
There is just no way that Voss can walk out of here if he is innocent.
The only way he can walk out of here is if he's GUILTY!
The problem (for you) is that I believe it. Else I would have objections to Slaol's words, no?
I have no reasons to townread you, nothing that plays in your favor for town, out of maybe some of the reactions in jury chat to the lynches, but those were not strongly AI and could be easily faked, especially by an experienced player. And at this point of the game, the lack of town tells with your activity level is a scum tell. Soooo...
TAKE THIS MAN TO OL' DAVY JONES' LOCKER!!!
Wait...
oops.
Mafia+bomber: I provided the plan that makes you both win if voss is town, use it tomorrow if Voss flips town.
Town: If Voss is town you are screwed either way, but if Voss is scum you have a pretty good chance of winning this game. Voting inno is however pointless, because the scums will have the power to outvote you if Voss is innocent
Saying my play this game's not been strong town is insulting. You're building me up as this mafia god, saying i'm not living up to those standards, and scum paint me for it.
I'm considering what you're saying is scum motivated, and ask Slaol to vote against you because you're going against prisoner's dilemma.
Please @Slaol , it's my dying wish. Don't let scum MM win.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
What happens to bombers plan to out themselves with mafia when town starts claiming bomber to try and foil bomber's plan.
At that point, in that 2v1v2 scenario, town's only chance of winning would be to trick the mafia members into thinking the real claimed bomber is actually a town. Then, town wins ties with Slaol.
THAT would be the town's only path to victory, and a little risky.
Yeah, I admit this is the part where the plan gets risky. But mafia outing as mafia only backfires if they can't lynch both townsmembers claiming to be the bomber.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
And lynching both townsmembers is a 1/3 chance of happening. so a bomber siding with a win with the mafia happens 1/3 times.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
bomber blending in with town and lynching mafia still results in a 1/3 chance of winning, so they're probably more likely to out themselves as that's the easier win...
I guess, the only way I can entice the bomber, and thus the town, to not claim is that it doesn't matter if the bomber/town collectively claim or don't claim as the bomber. The bomber's chances don't improve for winning. So if the chances don't improve either way, it's a more fun win to win by yourself, than win the mafia. I'm probably not saying this well enough to convince anyone, but the game theory component is still there.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Going to respond to this under the assumption that you're town.
If it's pointless to vote innocent now, I'm questioning why you voted against me in the first place.
I'm positing that it was really dumb of you to vote me in the first place if you didn't think I was most likely to be scum. And it sounds like you only suspect me because you can't tell if my super towny acting is either me ACTUALLY being town or me faking it, I should be at WORST a null read. You should have voted your scummiest read, and not fall victim playing into setup meta.
Tell me where I'm wrong in my evaluation of MM's town game here.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
@two remaining townsmembers, I think the only way we win with mafia coming out tomorrow, and me dying today is the following.
Kenny(or any town not Mike) should claim they're the bomber right away and push a lynch on Mike. Mike will try to convince Kenny and the bomber to vote for mafia, giving the out kenny needs to retract in case they're not the bomber, and if the bomber wants to go for a solo win. If lynch happens on Mike, Kenny will try their best to get mafia to vote out the bomber.
That... is hopefully a deterrent for the bomber to side with the mafia.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
goodbye all!
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Oh, that thing! If you're town, I think you're right.
You're feeling genuinely frustrated here. I don't know if it's town frustration or scum frustration, though, and I am actually feeling a bit bad for you here... But in the event you're town: understand that your play, even if not bad, is easily done by a good scum. I'm not having the God fallacy here: not a god tier scum, a good scum.
I think you're scum.... and it would be pointless to vote anyone but you because we NEED the neutral's vote, who will vote only you. You are the Town's best bet.
I never said you were super towny. You have scummy things, such as the 50/50 votes proposal in jury chat, and such as twisting my words right now , and nothing that really stands for you as town. You admitted it YOURSELF earlier, by the way. If someone is willing to go dig up the quote, feel free to. You're far from super towny, and the fact that you're being so "null" as you say, and more like slightly to mediumly scummy so close to the end of the game IS a scumtell by itself, which adds to your scumminess. And right now, you're twisting my words, so I am more convinced. Thanks for relieving my heart from this
In the event you are town, you would have let emotions annihilate your logical and analytic mind, which is totally your fault and not anyone else's. You are, objectively, the best bet for town. You ARE scummy; I had put you in my PoE before Frog's death. Your defense is convincing me to send ya to Davy Jones' Locker.
12 hours have passed, so that means that the mafia haven't forced a guilty yet.
Trying to get the jury into a stalemate so Slaol controls the vote is towny, so your argument is categorically false there. And I've done SO many towny things, but I'm starting to realize that that's besides the point.
This doesn't make sense here. Either I'm a null read (which is what I think you think I am, not what I think I am). Or I'm a scum read. If I'm a scum read yeah, your play makes 100% sense to get me. But you haven't really proved why I'm a scum read. You've pushed my towny things into a null slot, and then decided everyone else is a town read for some reason. I think. I'm not trying to twist your words. I'm trying to understand why me always suggesting the best town plan makes me the nullest read and why you have no other null or scum reads.
And no, I've not let emotions annihilate my logical/analytical mind.
My defense of Gyrlander (which happened after Frog's death), something that you where around for, had convinced Mike. Why didn't it convince you? There was no scum motivation for me doing that. I think the problem here is that you either weren't reading the game, or you are strawmanning(?) the argument against me. (Voss is so good that he can fake it. must be scum!!!)
My point here is, the whole thing smells like a fear vote instead of scum hunting. Just like you all did with Frog. That's why I'm taking it personally. You're reasons for scum reading me are shit.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Another thing Marsh. What's my scum motivation for following Slaol to vote Gyrlander, when I was one of the few that had you at #1, and not Gyr? Why does scum voss care which town gyr or town mm gets murdered. Why does scum voss sacrifice his voting ally over Slaol's favor?
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
And before you say it, that's not my only reason for people to town read me. That's just the easiest one to bring up.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
TRIAL IS OVER! JURY HAS COME TO A CONCLUSION!
STAY TUNED!
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
THE TRIAL HAS COME TO A CONCLUSION
The Jury’s decision was swift and ruthless. The defendant, @Voss , was found GUILTY Of So many things, and was sentenced to the highest capital punishment the lands can offer: Death
They were just a simple Attorney. The death was unjustified!
When this happened, @Numbertwo the Insane Prosecuting Attorney, was laughing manically at the victory he obtained this day. He decided now that the person they’ve hunted for so many years is finally dead, they may put up their attorney’s badge for good and live a happy life.
INVESTIGATION PHASE 5 HAS BEGUN! AND WITH IT A OLD ERA OF LAW HAS EMERGED!
The Jury system has proven to be faulty and easily manipulated. The courts decided that it was time to go back to the old ways, where things were decided by the highest members of the court: Our Honorable Judge.
How will this affect the coming days? We will wait and see!
Innocent Attorneys:
@MarshmallowMarshal
@Mike
@Slaol - Our Honorable Judge
@Magoroth
@Distorted
@Kenny
Guilty Attorneys:
@Damus_Graves – Guilty Defendant: Died in a Bombing.
@blinkskater – Attorney: Died in a Bombing.
@Stealthbomber16- Replaced with @Frog - Attorney - Found Guilty.
@Gyrlander - Attorney - Died in a Bombing
@Light_Yagami - Attorney - Died in a Bombing
@Voss – Attorney – Found GUILTY
@Numbertwo – Insane Prosecuting Attorney – Left law for Good.
You can still see the live voting taking place here: https://narrator.systeminplace.net/co...l?thread=43433
Spoiler : Cvote :
4 votes to hammer. <- votes to SKIP, not lynch. If you feel you want to skip day when all the votes are of a majorities consensus, you may vote to skip.
Investigative phase 5 Ends: (Again, subject to change depending on votes)
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Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.