You must not be very good at FM
You must not be very good at FM
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lul Survivor's presumably a role whose win condition is "survive to the end". Right now I fail to see anything scummy about what blinkskater did - hell, now we know what to expect of him lol. If he's scum, I'd call that a misplay unless he has an ace up his sleeve
WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A HIGH CHANCE THEY MAY FLIP TOWN. INSTANTLY DISCREDITING THEM AND BEING AN ASS DOES NOT HELP ANYONE.
And there *are* alignment indicative things. You are not scum hunting by pushing at Kira, who is excruciatingly difficult to read. Push at someone who can actually be read in a worthwhile manner - otherwise you are simply literally lynching straw men. Sure, if there's no better Lynch at EoD - Lynch Kira, agree. But pushing at someone who is so difficult to read and always acts scummy is just disingenuous
I don't see why claiming Survivor is scummy. For all we know there may not even be a survivor. Why are you so hung up on this? Claiming survivor is literally equivalent to claiming that you've already won and that you don't care who wins. How is that scummy? It's completely non-alignment indicative, especially given that we don't have a clear role list, or even a faction list.
@Cryptonic - how exactly does the percentage work? Do you use integer division (like, 0.23*13=2 instead of 2.99), or do you round down/up to the nearest number?
Because if that is the case that means there are 3 people who've already achieved their win conditions. We can only theorise as to what exactly those win conditions imply, but if blink skater's claim is true that means he's one of those people, and we can extrapolate that the other two also share the same win condition.
@Cryptonic is it legal for someone to claim "I've achieved my win condition?"
No, it isn't. There's nobody to CC, and thus he's not infringing upon anyone's win condition if it is the case (no.1).
No.2: Survivor is typically night immune. It could be seen as a town gambit, or as a survivor literally promising to side with the town, which would be a very good play as Survivor because we can Lynch them whilst mafia cannot kill him at night. We also know that 3 people have already achieved their win condition; implicitly, blinkskater is one of them. I fail to see what's scummy about claiming survivor. Roles are not the primary evaluator in this setup.
Anyway after having read the thread for a bit, I think the scummiest person right now is Brendan. I don't like his posts at all. Followed
I'm going to bed soon, so I pop in for a bit. And that's what I see when I get back...
...+1??? So, you say I am trying to get Blink kicked from the game, really?
1: this would be a fucking bitch move;
2: I'm town;
3: one small thing doesn't get you kicked from any game, else a lot of people would have been modkilled in anon games such as Masquerade Madness or President;
4: I highly, HIGHLY doubt that was honest because it literally implies I'm a stupid and beyond-the-belt player. Stupid because of 3, which is an obvious, and beyond-the-belt because it's not a good way of playing, even if I was scum. I really hope that you know me enough to know that I would not EVER do such a thing.
So, you say you agree with this fucking bullshit that honestly offends me? ...
And then, you say you're not in favor of voting me. If you actually agree with what Blink said, why are you against voting me? Because if you agree that I am trying to "host frame" him, from where would it come but from a scum??
I did not read your stuff yet, this is the only post I read since I came back. I liked that little interaction with Slaol, although he kept such a poker face lol... but this is seriously bullshit.-vote Magoroth
And yes, if you're wondering, I am discrediting you there because you make 0 sense. No coherence in your thoughts and you agreed with something that should reek of bullshit to people who know me a bit.
Or just a plain mafia lol. At best he's neutral that can backstab us anytime, at worst he's a scum. So if we lynch him, the worst thing we could do is to lynch a survivor, with a good chance of him being scum IMO. Unless further info on this matter today, he's the perfect lynch for town IMO.
^^^^^^^^^^ exactly
The benefit of claiming survivor as town is NON-EXISTANT. You don't become LHF to gather reads: you're claiming neutral, scums don't really want you dead, they would prefer a town lynch, so you can't read people over it. You aren't getting the real neutral out: the town benefits from this are debatable, and the setup is fucking hidden...
I'm saying you should stop scum painting him. You're not going to get anything out of him other than what we usually do. I'm all for a policy Lynch on him, but you cannot effectively read him, it's like trying to push Efekannn02. It's just a day waster. Focus instead on someone that can be read, or on someone you don't know. Like Brendan. Vote him with me. =P
WHAT ABOUT THE BENEFIT OF CLAIMING SURVIVOR AS SURVIVOR. HMM?
It's literally the best play as survivor. Nobody gets to counterclaim you and nobody wants to kill you unless they're scum. And you cannot die at night. That's if he actually is Survivor. Best play = he's TPR, claims survivor, is not night immune and keeps himself as LHF = profit. stop scum painting people from the get-go.
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I can. I am not scum painting him you fool, I'm getting a read on him... He comes off as town to me atm, I'm not convinced but still. Pushing efe is not useless: you can see his reaction and it is AI. Same goes for Kira. You're the one scum painting me and discrediting me atm. I'm pressuring people and giving my thoughts, how is that scum painting?
THOSE BENEFITS ARE DEBATABLE FOR THE REASON BELOW, AND TALKING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOU MORE TOWNY.
Who the fuck said that survivor was gonna help town instead of just backstab us when we'll go at a critical stage, which happens almost all the time in FM games? You say you do that in the mod; I tried, got lynched almost every time. Other people did; same result. Idk how you do it, but it's not normal lol.
If he's TPR, it's poor play because the setup is H I D D E N. TPRs fake claiming anything but citizen is just plain bad.
However, if he's scum, he just has the perfect WIFOM here. He can say "Oh, I am TPR trying not to die, don't lynch me!" and you'll buy that (Assuming you're town). Or he can just hold with his survivor claim and you'll let him live too! I don't get how you can not see that.
Also, I'm not scumpainting him: he accused me of wanting to get him modkilled for something ridiculous, literally. If that's not scumpainting, idk what it is. And if you're town, I am seriously disappointed.
Please explain to me how there is any benefit to claiming Survivor as scum when it's extremely easy to scum paint. K thanks.