S-FM President

[Richard Nixon]

Well there are 3 TPR claims out there right now and (1 being either the journalist/corrupt journalist, i believe one of thise claims to possibly be a scum.

Probably 1 of the claims at least is a cit trying to do his duty like Truman did. IMO scum would not commit to a power role claim so early so I'm not really inclined to agree. I think scum are more likely to have not claimed roles yet

[Richard Nixon]

What kind of dreams do you have?



Acknowledged. This is a phone post, so I’ll give you some updated reads later, probably after rereading.


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

In case of hypocrisy, bang head here
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You clearly haven’t played 30 man FM. L-15 is absurd and hard to work around.


Did you leave me out


I kind of soft-pushed there. It probably looks really scummy.


I ended up voting myself.


The law is inside out, the world is upside down!


I think you are seriously over analyzing the mafia kill. Which is a very towny thing to do.

Stop doing it.


Disagree.


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You voted yourself what the fuck? Third neutral claim?

[Richard Nixon]

I think that is the only reasonable thing you could have said after Washington revealed and I trust that.
Simply because I see no benefict for a scum to claim being survivor since there is already a neutral who will counter-claim.
The only reason I can see is a WIFOM one but wtf, that is far too balzy.

Now if we look about Roosevelt, he claimed turncoat :

Once dead, you may choose a player at night to possess during the day.

Which mean if you are going to kill him, you will have to kill him twice?
What prevent him to take Washington place?

Now his 'turncoat' claim can just be a false claim to prevent him being killed (if he is survivor for example).
At the moment, I believe roosevelt is neutral and It make more sense that Washington is town.

That being said, Washington/Roosevelt already talked about that, we can still push to get more informations but I am not sure that will help us right now.
Instead, we was talking about Trump/Nixon and I still think it's more valuable for us to push them.

-vote Richard Nixon

read the setup, the turncoat possesses a different person each day I'm pretty sure you cannot ever completely remove them from the game (kind of OP)

[Richard Nixon]

Is it? I must’ve skimmed over that then.

My vote defaulted onto you then, because that was what I sent in the message before.

Hmm... now I think Obama is the real neut who wants to stay unclaimed for some reason. Pretty sure SuperJack would say if his vote for himself was invalid, but maybe that's some host meta shit and I shouldn't be a hypocrite.

Interesting so then Washington could be a town who claimed Survivor, Roosevelt a scum who claimed turncoat to mislynch Washington and get himself a shield for the rest of the game, and Obama the real neutral. I certainly didn't expect to be going between 3 different neut possibilities wow

[Richard Nixon]

As neut I have no reason to not CC Roosevelt at this point anyway.

Regardless, this will be cleared up quickly.

I mean... I agree with that. I thought any neut would counterclaim a fake claimer given the 3 possible neut roles. That being said I guess it's possible you're a turncoat and against Washington yourself, so then you would have no reason to counterclaim Roosevelt.

[Richard Nixon]

2/2 games the mafia seeks the neutral. If the mafia hits the neutral at night they lose an entire night on killing a potential ally. This would be a believable response, but the fact u let it keep riding is what turns out to be so scumy. that is why I even decided to just openly claim turncoat, you dug yourself a hole there. You are not town

and im really starting to think it is you and lincoln from how fast he went from a page of scumpainting to "ok ur town" BUT he still wants to keep the lynch between me or you? how does that make sense. lynch me, i flip turncoat, how does that clear you? feels more like he was trying to do some damage control and you guys felt the neutral would side with you and let you coast on that claim all game.

Let's say you are a turncoat. Why not simply counterclaim him as a survivor yesterday? Why push him to be voted up and then reveal that you're against whatever faction he is WITHOUT KNOWING FOR SURE what faction he is? IMO ur not turncoat, you're scum using turncoat claim to protect yourself for the rest of the game

[Richard Nixon]

If you really are town, you just fucked the town hard. mafia now knows not to kill me since I have to side with them to win =P go ahead and lynch me, for if you do I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

but tbh, your play is complete scum play. every past game even shows that.

wouldn't it make more sense for the mafia to kill you if you're turncoat so that you can use the possess ability? You act like somebody who wants to avoid dying when a turncoat gains every advantage by dying

[Richard Nixon]

To be fair, you both have some points to make, but killing the neutral really makes no sense because he will indeed become more powerful. But killing him also makes it weird... idk I meta-read Washington as town and maybe I just fed him the perfect WIFOM to be able to claim this role and this strategy...

again with the meta shit. Gosh I bet you're easy to manipulate. All I have to do is act like one of your friends does in their normal town meta and boom I am a town read right? This is really sad play. That being said I do still think Washington is a bro but your reasoning is shit

[John Kennedy]

OK UNFORTUNATELY lincoln is town because of ~meta~ and i can leave it there or i can shit on this game if u so demand.
he is an i d i o t - ignore him like the rest of us lol

nixon, i see him...
what the fuck
i didnt mean to vote reagan i meant to vote nixon LMFAO I FUCKING HATE THES 2 GOD DAMN WHITE ASS PRESIDENTS THAT LOOK THE SAME
REEEEE

-vote Richard Nixon

i town read reagan af what the fuckkk LMFAO

IKR also clinton and nixon rhymes, so... at some point I was confusing YOU with REAGAN...

I agree on Lincoln btw. Not on the fact that he's an idiot, just maybe overheated, but on the fact he's town.

[John Kennedy]

^^^^^^ this
roosevelt has been scum painting and creating narratives all game.
i'm ready to say he's not the fucking neutral and he is mafia t b h

Nope, because it's not logical. And if you need a better proof... He accused someone of using out of game names (I think Lincoln) because he was seeing them in the scum chat. Then, host said scum did not know each other and all. He non-mafia slipped there

[John Kennedy]

Wow. Well I think this is bullshit. I believe my boy Washington is survivor but this is a pretty good mafia strat. You get us to waste a lynch on Washington and then because ur turncoat and can possess people if ur dead you get the whole town to ignore you for the rest of the game. I don't buy it

Read my last post

[John Kennedy]

FOR FUCKS SAKE, @EVERYONE!!! NO ONE'S ACTUALLY READING THESE POSTS. THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY JUST SPAM

sorry to rail on you for that, but this is the best example I can find for stream of conscious posting not helping the town. It's stale. It's spam. It doesn't help town. IT's anti town. Stop making things difficult for town.

okay bye for now!

ITS NOT FUCKING ANTI-TOWN, WE NEED THESE TO FIND REASONING ERRORS AND SCUM SLIPS, AND FORM OUR READS!!!!!!!! AND YES I AM READING THESE POSTS, SO SHUT UPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[Richard Nixon]

and still do. and if I end up dead, that is okay. If he really is town mafia would be siding with me pushing him, but they are not.

Let's put it this way. If Mafia has a vigi, they shoot him, day ends. tomorrow is voting for another president, well my vote counts for 2 with the 3 mafia thats 5 votes so we instantly control the votes, gg. so I would HAVE to be the lynch tomorrow. leaving 3 mafia, and another kill putting you at MYLO.

man you really want us to think you're turncoat and not lynch you. I feel like a real turncoat would not play like this. Their main powers are 1) as long as it's unknown a turncoat exists, people don't KNOW that the turncoat is against whoever was the first president..... but you revealed yourself anyway.. 2) if they die, they gain the ridiculously overpowered ability to control somebody each day... but now that you revealed, nobody will kill you

[John Kennedy]

Exactly what I was thinking. He keeps sheeping people and acting friendly and helpful. Who in the mafia community is even a friendly person normally LMAO

*raises hand*

[John Kennedy]

Unfortunately, it is clear several players have buddied each other based on figuring out each other's COMs. Thanks for this post SuperJack but it's too late to undo it for this game. Hopefully people will respect the rules next time

I sadly agree with you...

[John Kennedy]

wtf washington can hammer while i'm asleep

-vote theodore roosevelt

...what?

[Bill Clinton]

Nope, because it's not logical. And if you need a better proof... He accused someone of using out of game names (I think Lincoln) because he was seeing them in the scum chat. Then, host said scum did not know each other and all. He non-mafia slipped there

Lol wow so easy to pose a question pretending like you didn't know so you could be confirmed non mafia really makes u think, i should do that tactic next time I'm scum . Hey superjack does mafia share a night chat??? Wow so easy! Look at me!!

[John Kennedy]

Lol wow so easy to pose a question pretending like you didn't know so you could be confirmed non mafia really makes u think, i should do that tactic next time I'm scum . Hey superjack does mafia share a night chat??? Wow so easy! Look at me!!

Nope, he accusated with that, he didn't ASK about it, he just stated it as if it was obvious (and tbh I thought mafia knew eachother).

[Bill Clinton]

Nope, he accusated with that, he didn't ASK about it, he just stated it as if it was obvious (and tbh I thought mafia knew eachother).

Your defense is noted if Roosevelt flips Mafia

[John Kennedy]

Your defense is noted if Roosevelt flips Mafia

...implying he's dying???? You realize he's going to POSSESS us, right??????????

[John Kennedy]

Your defense is noted if Roosevelt flips Mafia

Also he won't flip Mafia, that's an obvious lol... Else who's the neutral lol.

[Richard Nixon]

Mr. Washington needs to think of one first... I don't think he believed he would be counter claimed so fast. obviously caught off guard.

this actually does concern me a bit, there's no reason I can think of for Washington to not claim his original role, given that I believe the president loses all powers

[Richard Nixon]

As an aside, taking a break from the long catch-up, did you guys know that during the French and Indian War, George Washington was a British Major who brazenly attacked the French (when the British and French were not at war) and this action was one of the leadups to the 7 years war? Also, he had a career of running away like a coward and basically became a revolutionary because the british army wouldn't let him be a leader in their ranks!

[Richard Nixon]

It actually does matter. Stop meddling in places you should not be meddling.

I don't get this Washington. Roosevelt is winning this part of the debate.... Pretty sure president loses all powers so why would u hide ur OG role

[Richard Nixon]

ooooh....you told the journalist (ur mafia buddy) ur original role and u want them to come on and say "they told me this last night" and washington will be all, YES! THEY ARE CONFIRMED TOWN NOW TOO!!!! then the town has 2 confirmed mafia-towns.

the journalist basically gets to pm his target once. The target can only respond during the next day he can't respond during the night

[Richard Nixon]

Roosevelt over here playing 4D chess running circles around Washington my god..

Scummily just doing the /popcorn reaction instead of replying to anything, cool

[Richard Nixon]

how many times have we seen this in the mod? "let a sheriff check him!!!!!!" as a mafia gets called out =P

honestly, while what Reagan about sheriff was weird, I don't think I've ever seen a mafia defend his teammate by saying "let a sheriff check him!" in the mod. I mean... in the mod it's usually a sheriff saying so and so is scum...

[Richard Nixon]

I didn't fucking said that omg. I said only a sheriff could know if Washigton is scum or not.
I am not trying to say we should wait and see, totaly being passive and shit. Strop twisting my words.

honestly your random mention of sheriff sparks 2 things for me
1) you're a sheriff and want to check him yourself
2) you're trying to protect him because he's your teammate

I'm not sure why else you would have randomly mentioned only a sheriff can tell us for sure if Washington is scum/town. Plenty of other town roles could potentially check that in less direct ways like a detective seeing if he visited anybody, LO seeing if he visited his target, escort seeing if there is a kill after RBing him, Bus driver can swap him with person most likely to get shot, etc. etc.
I just don't get why you would say only a sheriff could know unless you're super adhered to the mod thought process where the role abilities come before analyzing posts

[Richard Nixon]

He's obviously hinting to the mafia on what he thinks.

I think it's clear that if you are town and teddy is turncoat, teddy is not hinting but BLATANTLY STATING what he thinks mafia should do. But to me all that reads as trying to get himself confirmed as turncoat, which again aligns with my view of him as scum

[Richard Nixon]

I don't think you're mafia. Also Roosevelt is dying to get you lynched, he complains about meta-reading people and then he meta-reads people himself...

More like he's dying to NOT get lynched by spamming that he's turncoat

[Richard Nixon]

Roosevelt trying very hard to get lynched. lol that would be gg, not letting that happen, that wouldn't ever be good thing from any PoV!

Oh okay, 1 post later you flopped again... if you don't mind I'm just going to skim your posts from now till I catch up because u flip flop all the time

[Richard Nixon]

Too scummy to be scum. It's a gut read related to a lot of things, of which is consistency.

If you drop the meta reads (which you're supposed to do) then he's your top scum read right? When will the meta shit end?

[Richard Nixon]

Also take into account how not 1 person jumped on the opportunity to potentially start throwing suspicion and discredit the president of the united states. AND how easily they were elected. hold those thoughts throughout the day as you gauge how it feels pushing other people, then compare it to our president again.

Let's say you're really turncoat (I think you're mafia) and Washington is mafia, just to theorize. That leaves 2 mafia players to avoid pushing Washington. Mind you that there are like 10+ others alive, and that a smart mafia usually busses his teammate and your argument doesn't hold much meaning

[Richard Nixon]

But Clinton plays like a confused townie afraid of making a mistake... and easy to buddy.

really? Clinton just says "yo x I am going to shoot you if you don't convince me you're town" over and over

[Richard Nixon]

according to what I know I have to say that im actually solving the game in my own terms and ways

Unfortunately Trump will be NAI until he gets hard pushed/lynched, but I fully believe what he is saying here.

[Richard Nixon]

Ok let's look at it from Roosevelt's side.

Mr. Washington here didn't actually contribute to daily discussion as a townie ought to've done. What he did was post up and down that he should be elected. He NEVER clarified exactly why should be elected, though he vaguely implied that he was trying to bait the Mafia into lynching a claimed neutral role (and possibly, baiting the neutral into outing himself -----> at least one of these things is true.)

He also had an extremely fake read list... I genuinely don't understand why I was being scum read, I guess I was being scum read for the same reason I town read George Washington, namely 'too X to be of X alignment'.

He named Trump (?) and someone else as his top town reads. While I can understand why one would name Trump their top town read, I don't think that's a particularly pro-town read in this situation and in this anon game.

He got elected, in spite of the absurdity that one may elect a self-claimed neutral as the mayor.
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From Washington's side:

He was a TPR, possibly a TPR that still keeps their ability upon being elected. He was baiting very hard not to get elected, hence the constant spamming and unbelievably fake reads, as well as the short and to the point messages. He was both trying to bait the neutral and trying to get the mob to lead a mislynch on him. This wasn't exactly successful because, curiously enough, the people whom I most highly town read or are confirmed town (Truman, JFK) actually voted against him. JFK I truly believe to be town, and Obama. I dunno about Obama.

what I got from this: his reads list is fake cuz he scum read you, thus he must have been trying NOT to get elected because his reads lists were so fake. That's so stupid I don't have any other comment on it (and again, I still think Washington is a bro)

Did you not support and vote for him as I did? (you literally claimed to do so awhile back during D2). This post reeks of bullshit ("in spite of the absurdity that one many elect a self-claimed neutral as the mayor")

[Richard Nixon]

Lol very interesting that you reply to this post.
Also, Trump was never elected, and neither were Bush nor Jefferson. Their trains were extremely weak to the point of being nonexistent. I'd be surprised if more than one person voted for any of these characters.
Yes but he never clarified how he would help town by doing so, and yet we still elected him. Truth be told survivor only has two vests, it would be risky play indeed to get elected D1 as survivor

You act like you never read anything D1, which is funny cuz ur the top poster

[Richard Nixon]

From Washington's side:

The other possibility is he is journalist or another role who is useless in his mind, so he didn't care about losing his ability.

Since you are all focus on Washington/Teddy, I will try to see the differents scenarios :

first possiblity : We lynch Washington ==>

Wash is really town / Teddy is really neutral :
Worst case scenario, that mean we are losing our time on them, we lynch Wash, he flip town then what? we lynch teddy? Then if he is turncoat, he will possess another dude and if we are unlucky, he will possess a town, then we are fucked.

Wash is scum / Teddy is neutral :
We lynch a scum, that's best scenario, tomorrow we have to vote another president, in this case, I guess voting teddy is a good choice.

Wash is town / Teddy is town :
I have no ideas how that could be possible ~~

Wash is town / Teddy is scum :
Obviously, in this case scums know that Wash is town, but pushing a lynch on a town president will end up by Teddy being shot by Clinton or lynch. Plus that mean there is the real neutral who didn't say shit the whole time, that's not really probably imo.

Wash is neutral / Teddy is town or scum :
I don't see why a scum or a town in this situation would push to lynch a neutral oO, and Wash actualy confirmed he lied about being neutral, so that doesn't make sense.

Second possiblity : We lynch Teddy ==>

Teddy is town ==> So why Wash said he lied about being neutral? and why the true neutral didn't revealed?
Teddy is scum ==> Why a scum claimed neutral to counter claim another neutral? In this case, why Wash said he lied about being neutral?
Teddy is neutral AND turncoat ==> GG he will control someone and tomorrow, we will still don't know if Wash is town or scum. That won't prove anything.
Teddy is neutral AND not turncoat ==> well he is dead, neutral is really dead but we still don't know what Wash is.

In my opinion it's either :
Wash is town / Teddy is neutral OR Wash is scum / Teddy is neutral

I believe Teddy is neutral since noone counter claimed him and Wash admited he lied.
It's a mess, which is sure is if Wash is town, we are just wasting our time on them and scums are happy af.

Interesting, you don't believe that neither of them could be neut?

[Richard Nixon]

Abe Lincoln-I feel abe has been unsure on ALMOST everything, which in my experience is a townlike tell, it seems like he is sure of a few things which are most likley gut feelings, which i feel is another strong town tell.
Donald Trump- To scummy to be scum in my eyes nothing more to it.
Ronald Reagan- this is more of a gut town read then anything.
Bill Clinton- one of my stronger townreads for the fact i do not think mafia would claim assassin on day one like the way bill has done.


(using neutral ass NuLL)
John Kennedy- I'm currently unsure on JFK atm but so i have him in the middle he was yelling for everyone to scumhunt day one but i didnt really see any scumhunting from himself.
Richard Nixon- A few people jumped on him earlier on in day 2 but i currently have no read on this slot whatsoever.



Theodore Roosevelt- teddy is uncounterclaimed turncoat survivor that elected me as president, so he needs my faction(town) to loses, so he is a mafia member in my eyes.
Barack Obama- One of the higher townreads day 1, was brought up as a possible potential candidate for presidency, IMO the only people who need to really seem like townies day one are mafia.
George Bush - this is more of a gut scumread for me, i feel he's just a scum riding the waves of the game.
Thomas Jeffereson - this guy is just telling us what we want to hear with fluffy posts filled with nothing.

well look at that, somebody who didn't sheep the Nixon is scum line-of-thinking. Love u george

[Richard Nixon]

skimmed a couple posts. there's no world we keep washington claiming town alive. you don't fake claim neutral and get away with it.

Eh/meh. I think Teddy is also fake claiming neutral and Obama is the real neutral. Guess we should kill both of them then and ignore all the other players right? nope, let's keep playing the game and not focus everything on 2 people

[Richard Nixon]

Yeah, that's true. I think they were trying to frame me as well, given that Truman scum read me.

So they were framing you, but not me the other person Truman put in red? So we the scum team decided "hey guys of the two people Truman put in red, they'll push Lincoln next and ignore Nixon right? Sweet we got this game in the bag!"

[Richard Nixon]

A player is promoted if they have not voted.
If they have previously votes and they send out an incorrect/cancel. The previous vote is still the valid vote.

So Obama is full of shit for pretending to not know he couldn't vote himself, good to know. More evidence he's the real neut IMO

[Richard Nixon]

@Bill Clinton there it is we need you to shoot somone to reveal yourself as town. We need a confirmed townie right now IMO.

how would him randomly shooting somebody confirm him as town? damnit George I was so sure about you too and u keep edging the wrong way

[Richard Nixon]

Oh Jesus, looks like the hot plates on me these days. Not lurking, just went AFK for a few hours. Read through the past few pages.

90% Bush- I know he has not posted much but he is a great example of quality over quantity. I appreciate his input nearly every time he posts-albeit scarcely.
80% Obama- Maybe I haven't read into the nuances in which he plays, but he comes off to me as a levelheaded town. I appreciate it- others may see that as scummy but some people are never happy.
70% Clinton- The big shooter. Threatening violence is sometimes the only way to get information out of someone and to an extent I appreciate that strategy, however the childishness in which you tote your weapon, assuming you wield it, gives off the feeling you are prone to shoot whoever you will to be dead when push comes to shove.
65% Roosevelt- You're losing me man. Your presumably supreme knowledge of this game comes to me as you know what you're doing- but I cant tell if you're bluffing or not when you say you will side with mafia. You've cornered me in this 4D chess game- and to me, you're a valuable asset to town if we play our cards right. Any move to lynch you is very very dumb regardless.
55% Reagan- Honestly man I don't know what to say about you ive drawn a blank. Maybe that's a good thing that I've completely not considered you in my thoughts. Maybe you're hiding something or just dumb like me. Ill keep you posted if something changes.
50% Lincoln- This could go either way, just like how you flip flop . In all seriousness, the way you use pressure is a dual edged sword for your character- making you both an aggressive and objective based town or a desperate and equally objective based mafia.
40% Washington- Although I do not appreciate how you lied to town, and how secretive and dismissive you are about your former role, I have faith you will make the right decisions in the end considering you have been playing in moderation. Roosevelt "exposed" such caution and secrecy in your play style and it may be your bane, not your boon. Your profile picture stares into my soul by the way.
35% Trump- Please man... Anything... I need that Trump knowledge in my life... please I am crying...

My apologies.
Jefferson.

Interesting. Far away from what most of the spammers were posting which is brave to do so I'll give some townpoints for that. I don't think Bush deserves a top town read tho, he just hasn't said enough. Even reading your explanations, everyone above trump sounds more scummy than trump which is pretty funny

[Richard Nixon]

I knew my list wasn't complete. I forgot:
Honestly I can put Kennedy and Nixon both at 60%. Both have done about the same things- pressured but not given substantial input and build (I have no room to say this.) Although Kennedy is much nicer in his approach and Nixon is much more straightforward. Like a good cop bad cop. Also Nixon needs to get a more reliable phone lol.

Sorry last night I said I would post reads when I was on the computer and then I just went to bed instead. my bad.

[Richard Nixon]

I would, but Trump is useless and wouldn't even reply, and will likely get lynched tomorrow.
Bush, however, I don't mind putting heat on.
Anyone want to help me get Bush to L-1? For now I'll put Trump there.

-vote Donald Trump

Trump will likely never get lynched... that's literally the whole point of his "strategy". Please elaborate on why you think he will die tomorrow

[Richard Nixon]

Yes this was me waiting for the pressure by Roosevelt on Truman to stop, because I wanted to see where it was going while not forgetting to say my point on Roosevelt.

What was your point on Roosevelt. Sorry but this sounds fake AF

[Richard Nixon]

Wtf, NO?!!!! NO TURBOLYNCH. SOMEONE GET HIS VOTE OFF TRUMP NOW.

What the actual fuck are you doing?

unless people playing are morons, nobody was going to turbolynch, so for me this mini-freakout is fake from both of you

[Richard Nixon]

Top scum read atm: Nixon

nice redirect, this is like 7 hours from when you last mentioned me and said you thought I was a null read

[Richard Nixon]

Just saying: Roosevelt's claim makes sense with every post he made lol. He's Turncoat. Glory to turncoats.

P.S. Washington better be mafia...

No, I disagree and gave reasons as such in previous responses. This is stupid to let somebody be a confirmed turncoat because he "acts like a turncoat should" in your eyes. I don't even agree that what he has done is smart turncoat play.