M-FM IV Gamethread

[McJesus]

I'll have to discuss the night later , and my name being on the presumable scum list still.

Because it's my birthday and i'm going to a restaurant. but before i leave , everybody says i act scummy i guess , but
as a first time player you don't know my tactics nor playstyle. That's all

Happy birthday, VOTE GAMEFREAK!

lol jk

[BorkBot]

Just finished reading. I had expected there to be more pages before I got on because the day started in the middle of the night for me, but apparently not.

Regarding the first deaths... Could've been worse, could've been better. At least we didn't lose any essential roles and I guess a neutral killing a mobster first night every game is too much to hope for. I suggest we don't discuss Waaagh's code because the information could fall into the wrong hands and be abused to direct the town to a mislynch if part of Waaagh's reads were wrong. The jailor knows how the code works and after the wrongful execution from last night I'm sure they'll pick their next target more carefully.

[BorkBot]

Some typo. Should be Rolo. And I'm a man. I mean boy...

Don't worry, in anime I mistake boys for girls too

[Zane]

-vote Luna

[BorkBot]

Any particular reason you'd like to share with us, Zane? I don't have a good read on her yet.

[Zane]

I am Terminator.

[BorkBot]

That could mean lots of things... I'll vote with you but I reserve the right to remove it later if new revelations present themselves.

-vote Luna

After day 1 I had Kromos, Dimwit and CmG pegged as possible scum. Kromos because he was playing his trust game again, so I didn't trust him this time. Dimwit because he trolled and I've never seen him do that as town. He usually tries to contribute as much as he can and now he just joked around (might mean nothing because it was only day 1 and nobody had any information or election goals for day 1). And CmG because he's just always scummy. And when he's taking less spotlight and posting less paranoid accusations, that usually means he really is scum.

[McJesus]

why are we voting luna?

[Deathfire123]

MUSO HAS BEEN MODKILLED AND REPLACED BY BBMOLLA!

[Dimwit]

Because luna is using her trust as m-fm facilitator to further gain ur trust by acting super friendly and helpful to town.

Also look at fm vi and fm viii. I trolled day 1 in the former (random accusations) and didn't do anything but expose inconsistencies and fallacies day 1 of the latter. Im never helpful day 1 because day 1 is useless on day 1.

Your analysis of me from previous fms ia diclaired invalid.

[jimbobicus]

Luna has not spoken yet today, but Zane simply trying to initiate a vote on someone.. i can't think of any good town-aligned reason to do that... I suggest voting zane.

Also dimwit answering for zane? As if perhaps, working in concert?

[Dimwit]

No. I just agree that luna is scummy. Try not to confuse agreement with conspiracy.

[McJesus]

Luna has not spoken yet today, but Zane simply trying to initiate a vote on someone.. i can't think of any good town-aligned reason to do that... I suggest voting zane.

Also dimwit answering for zane? As if perhaps, working in concert?

He has a point

-vote zane

[Zane]

I will destroy you McPwnage. You forgot that I am the terminator!

[McJesus]

I'm scared

[Luna]

I'm back, and I see Zane has started a lynch against me He's probably just trolling a little because of the fairly quiet day.

Since it is fairly quiet, I'm going to say something. I'm going to attempt a new strategy here.

I am Rolo, the Executioner. Sorry Nick gonna have to CC you there.

My original plan was to try and find the Mafia and form an alliance with them somehow, probably through rep message. The idea was to get the Mafia to kill my target, turning me into a Jester and to get myself lynched (saving them from a lynch for a day and hopefully getting a Townie killed).

I used my one investigation last night, however, and it has caused me to reconsider and throw myself on the mercy of the Town. If I can be protected tonight, I can give you... Diethard! I found him last night through my investigation. All I ask in return is that tomorrow we can lynch my target, a confirmed Town. I know I ask a bit, but whilst I'm confident I can get protected tonight if you lovely Townies can help I'm not sure I can survive much more than that.

[BorkBot]

Because luna is using her trust as m-fm facilitator to further gain ur trust by acting super friendly and helpful to town.

Also look at fm vi and fm viii. I trolled day 1 in the former (random accusations) and didn't do anything but expose inconsistencies and fallacies day 1 of the latter. Im never helpful day 1 because day 1 is useless on day 1.

Your analysis of me from previous fms ia diclaired invalid.

I didn't think you were very trolly FMVIII at all. You were reflecting my exact thoughts much of the time. People were acting as if they were very trustworthy while there was no proof and a lot of buddying during the nominations. The people who got elected didn't even hint at their roles or said why they would be useful in such a position. The random.org thing was clearly a joke, true, but other than that I saw your point.

In FMVI you didn't stand out that much for me on day 1. I don't think I took any notes on you then either. So if you trolled, I don't remember. Some other people were trolling much harder than you anyway.

In MFM2 you didn't troll at all, were very reasonable and got shot the first night

Overall, I don't see you as one of the day 1 ubertrolls. Note that I agreed that my read on you could be off, but I'm not convinced that it is just yet.

[Luna]

Well when I say I've found Diethard, they could be Charles but a simple reveal can clear them (it might look anti-Town for me to possibly force Charles to reveal, but when there's a 50% chance to get Diethard it might be worth it, based on the players behaviour I'm willing to risk it because I think they are Diethard).

[McJesus]

I'm back, and I see Zane has started a lynch against me He's probably just trolling a little because of the fairly quiet day.

Since it is fairly quiet, I'm going to say something. I'm going to attempt a new strategy here.

I am Rolo, the Executioner. Sorry Nick gonna have to CC you there.

My original plan was to try and find the Mafia and form an alliance with them somehow, probably through rep message. The idea was to get the Mafia to kill my target, turning me into a Jester and to get myself lynched (saving them from a lynch for a day and hopefully getting a Townie killed).

I used my one investigation last night, however, and it has caused me to reconsider and throw myself on the mercy of the Town. If I can be protected tonight, I can give you... Diethard! I found him last night through my investigation. All I ask in return is that tomorrow we can lynch my target, a confirmed Town. I know I ask a bit, but whilst I'm confident I can get protected tonight if you lovely Townies can help I'm not sure I can survive much more than that.

I just checked and Diethard has equivalent investigation results with charles, are you sure that the person you investigated isn't charles?

[BorkBot]

So Luna, do you claim that your target is the cult leader?

Question to the GM:
Is the executioner's target always town?

It's not explicitly stated anywhere, but I want to know just to be sure.

-unvote Luna for now

I also want to hear what Nick has to say in response to your claim. We know he's not a jester in any case.

[jimbobicus]

No. I just agree that luna is scummy. Try not to confuse agreement with conspiracy.

Which is why it's perhaps and not definitely.

Also to luna...You're investigation also could mean that it's charles could it not? Thus we could end up killing two townies based on your information. How do you know it is definitely not charles?

also to backup what i said earlier
-vote zane

[BorkBot]

Charles can reveal himself tomorrow to avoid a mislynch. A day 3 reveal wouldn't be that terrible and Luna isn't asking for her target to be lynched today.

This could be a ploy to get attention off of her for a few more days though. With Luna's claim I have even less reason to think Zane implied being an executioner, so he might know more than he lets on?

[Luna]

One post ahead of you McPwnage ;) If you guys read my post I'm saying that my Executioner target is TOWN, my investigation target was Charles/Diethard.

Okay I'm not going to be around for a while so I'm going to assume that some of the Town are at least partially interested in this deal. I'm not going to reveal who my lynch target is (yet), because I'm holding that information in reserve. It will be in my last will, but only if I survive the day (meaning that any Mafia/SK which try to kill me at night, even if they succeed, will clear a Town member and make it harder for them to win).

Why did I not investigate my target? Simple; as I said I initially thought I might try to find the Mafia and get them to kill my target (so I can fulfil my secret desire to be a Jester). I knew my target would be Town because I asked Deathfire, so I thought I'd play like a normal investigator and look to see if a certain someone might be scum...

I investigated Zane. Mostly because in every game he plays, he is inscrutable and no one ever bothers to check him. He lies low, spouts funny nonsense, and no one can ever work him out. As Diethard, as I believe him to be, he would be a destructive force. Think of M-FMIII and his play as the Traitor. As Charles, well, I'm not Town so I'm willing to take the risk.

I give this information over freely because I'm a coward and want sanctuary

-vote Zane

[Zane]

Guess who's Luna's target?

[Dimwit]

Firstly, don't trust luna

Second to jimbo, touche'.

Thirdly at borkie. Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

[Zane]

Well, I guess Luna is scum trying to fake being exe.

[Dimwit]

I fucking told you all that luna was scummy! Point 1 for the troll!!!

Also my last post I made before lunas reveal. I just didn't check it as my delude screen is a bit small to be that observant when it tells me new posts have been made. Like this one here.

[BorkBot]

If you're town and can prove it Zane, now would be a good time. I know you don't like claiming, but you're in no position to dodge questions at the moment. Plus there are still enough protective roles to have you covered.

[Dimwit]

Wow DROID corrects its own name to delude... interesting...

[McJesus]

Zane do you claim charles then?

[BorkBot]

If you can prove yourself, we will know for sure that Luna is up to no good.

Going to be off for a bit. Will check back later.

[Zane]

I will not claim at all, but Luna is scum.

[Luna]

I'm an Executioner that needs the Town to trust me, and the Mafia/SK to not kill me. Getting a lucky investigation like that was a god-send, because now I'm a low priority target for everyone except you. I was going to try and appear as an Investigator/Sheriff, but the fact that there are no hidden roles in this setup makes a role claim of ANY kind pretty much instant death via counter-claim. Since I can easily win if I help everyone else, then I'm going to try it. Even the Mafia/SK would want a Diethard lynch, and if you reveal as Charles then there's a bodyguard and a healer for you and my plan has failed.

Just think it over people.

[Zane]

You are trying to save your ass.

[GameFreak]

Tbh i never thought Nick was Exe , just my 2 cents.
Also Wtf is with the overanalytical , borderline fucking paranoid people here , not everybody is scum you know.
I mean look at Zane's pics , does that look like an evil person to you ? Exactly , very evil...

-vote Zane

EDIT

-unvote Zane

Just thought Luna might have not said who she invested , but rather her target , never trust an Exe right ?
damn now this post just spouts hypocrisy

[Zane]

Would be funny if jimbo is Luna's buddy.

[GameFreak]

God so much inactivity , how long has this been open ? A day ? 5 Pages , that's rather pathetic

[Rocshi]

Well, hello.

I am back.

At least we don't have jester to worry about now.

BUT I LOVED SUZAKU

I LOVED HIM

[McJesus]

honestly even if zane comes up as diethard I think anyone willing to go along with Luna's plan where we lynch a confirmed townie would be considered scum, just being honest.

[Rocshi]

God so much inactivity , how long has this been open ? A day ? 5 Pages , that's rather pathetic

US just got back from school/work yo.

[jimbobicus]

Perhaps we should see what nick has to say about this as well. Upon further review it appears to me that Luna happened to post after nick clearly said he was going to be gone for a while. Nick now has less and less chance to refute Luna as an executioner. If one were to make a big counter-claim play, the best time would of course be when the original claimer is likely to not be around. Now I would like to see deathfire's answer if target is always town. If that is confirmed it would lend credence to Luna's claim I think.

To be honest though, I mostly believe Luna here, it's very convincing (and if it's a lie well done). I would not suggest voting Zane anymore as it has been pointed out that Luna may be using this to get her target lynched anyways. I would suggest instead, allowing Zane to be jailed, and focusing on why nick claimed executioner, and potentially lynching him instead. This seems the best move to me anyways..

Also to zane - I'm no one's buddy...too new.

[Zane]

If you are scum you are retarded. Why should I be jailed? wow

[Rocshi]

Well, by buddy, we mean...in the Black Knights together.

Which at this point, it seems you are.

[Rocshi]

-vote Luna

until convinced otherwise.

[Zane]

I hope someone is strong enough to post a tally

[Rocshi]

Actually, -unvote Luna

-vote Zane

Reveal.
You have a doc and a bodyguard.

Or a cult.

[GameFreak]

Luna should really explain herself first , making a nice story isn't enough.

(also it's: "I'm not your buddy , buddy" ... god)

[GameFreak]

I hope someone is strong enough to post a tally

Nah would make me scum

[Zane]

I am the terminator Rocshi. I have to destroy Luna.

[GameFreak]

I am the terminator Rocshi. I have to destroy Luna.

subtle , real subtle