Sharks Mafia Chat

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[Mr. Hat]

Here is from the first thread of the night. I have edited out the names of the mafia
This is what I have so far.
FYI Sharks 1 is Timmy

Hello everyone! I'm Dust!

Sharks 1
Hello everyone! I'm [forum account]. My last (and only) experience as scum in FM # was... less than pleasant. However, I think I know what I need to do to get the job done, and I am optimistic about this game.

My strategy for day 1 is going to be to avoid trying to geeky elected, but not to the point where I'm refusing it and becoming suspicious. As for roles, I'll be whatever.


Sharks 2
Hi friends, [forum account] here. My own experience as scum was FM#, which too was less than pleasant. I'm hoping to turn things around this time. XD

Any preferences for roles?

What should be our daytime strategy? Ignore each other? Buddy with each other (WIFOM!)? What are your ideas?

I'll be whatever is given to me.

Sharks 1
In general, I'd say it's best to ignore each other completely unless circumstances demand otherwise. Then again, it's best not to be entirely consistent about that, but people are better at noticing who talks to whom than who ignores whom.

One important word of advice: don't post large lists about who you think is what. It almost always gives away more than you want it to, even if you mean to be totally innocent with it.

As for roles, I think we should plan to give the most powerful role to the GF, since he's the only one who's confirmed not to be the lover. My feeling is that the kidnapper is the most powerful of our roles.

Regarding my own role, I'd be most happy being disguiser or consigliere, but consort's fine with me, too.

[GF's name] should be the one who gives out the roles according to his impressions of people. We can say whether we dislike or like the list and state why. Now we just need to wait for him...

Sharks 1
That sounds reasonable.

It also occurs to me that kidnapper, consig, and escort all give us good ways of counterclaiming if we get investigated; disguiser does not. Moreovever, if someone gets investigated as disguiser/detect, the town will have a lot of incentive to lynch them right away. So maybe it's best for the GF to be that role.

It's up to [GF's name], depending on who he is and how comfortable he feels with that role. (Since disguiser is probably one of the hardest roles to pull off in FM, especially if the person you disguise as has a distinctive writing style.)

Sharks 2
I thought that the godfather can't take a role...

Sharks 2
Also, I would advise that everyone wait before picking an avatar (to act like you've barely touched your account before Day 1 started).

too late...

Sharks 3
Hey guys I'm [Forum account] although I'm a bit late.

Sharks 2
Well nice to meet you [Sharks 3].... this is your [#] Forum Mafia, right?

OK, now for the big reveal... what is the identity of our leader.


Sharks 1
By the way, an important piece of advice:

Once our roles have been picked, decide on what role you want to claim when you get pressured. Cit? The investigator counterpart of your role? Something unrelated?

Then brainwash yourself. Think about being that role; think about exactly how you would play in that role's shoes. It's very hard to do, because you have to ignore all the extra info you have as scum, and all the extra concerns you have.

One very, very important detail: When you post in the day chat, do not obsess over your role publically. Don't hypothesize about how things might be the result of your role-type's night actions. It's very easy to give your role (if not your alignment) away by what you choose to focus on during the day. Dust, for example, in the last game I had you marked down as a sinner from Day 1 because of how you were focusing on that role.

Another easy slip to make: If you're talking about something a mafia did at night, be very careful about revealing which mafia did it. That is, if our kill failed to go through, don't accidentally say "I wonder where the Sharks' kill is." Instead, you ought to say "I wonder why there's a missing mafia kill." That's how Shawna found out that Lionel was mafia in FMVII.

Sharks 1
Sorry for posting so much. I don't want to seem domineering; I just really want to be the first mafia team to win a game of FM. XD

I'm not sure how much hiding our reals names will be helpful, but in general I think it's a good goal to strive for. In the spirit of that, we should watch out for tells that others could use to find our real names:

[Sharks 3], I notice two tells that could give you away. You use "ppl" a lot more than anyone else, and you have a tendency to end the last sentence of a post without punctuating it.

Sharks 1
Oh, I just noticed that I made a huge mistake in my last post:

NEVER refer to each other by our real identities, even in night chat. We need to get used to thinking of each other as [Sharks 3], [Sharks 2], etc. If I ever made such a dumbass slip during the day and called [Sharks 3] "[Sharks 3's forum account]" publically, that would be the end of both of us.

GF
So I don't really want to give you your roles o.o

Disguiser: [Sharks 3]
Consigliere: [Sharks 1]
Kidnapper: Mr Hat
Consort: [Sharks 2]

I thought about 2 consorts, could be quite helpful?

GF
I will not tell you my real identity, because this is my [#] forum mafia

Sharks 1
GF, I think you get to give yourself a role, too. (Or am I remembering wrong?) The best part of having 2 consorts is that nobody will believe that False put two copies of the same role on one team. So once one consort goes down, the other will hopefully have better luck claiming escort.

I've had a crazy thought about disguiser: what if our disguiser tries to get elected mayor tomorrow, then disguises tomorrow night? It would steal away from the town some pretty powerful abilities... the only question is: would it be worth sacrificing our disguiser's attack so soon?

GF
Dunno I thought we just have 5 possibilites?

I am [Forum account] ;)

Sharks 1
(If you're telling us the truth, I think that makes you either [random forum account] or [other random forum account]. XD)

Sharks 1
Oh, hello [GF's forum account]. XD

Can I have some moneys? $

GF
We aren't allowed to lie in night chat, right?

Sharks 1
Anyways, I think your suggested role assignments look ok, with one modification:

Let [Sharks 2] be the disguiser, and [Sharks 3] the consort. Disguiser is a hard role to pull off, but [Sharks 2]'s a FM veteran who's proven himself several times, so I'd feel really good about having him in that role.

GF
Sure

Sharks 2
1) By all means, please talk all you want [Sharks 1]. Without a doubt, you're the most experienced player here and we all appreciate the advice.
2) As a general statement, I like to claim roles that AREN'T part of my investigation result. An obvious choice is doctor (very important to town and no way to prove self on own), but I often prefer to take a slightly less 'obvious' claim since claiming doctor seems a bit too obvious. Vigilante maybe? The way I see it, if the claim keeps me alive for one more day, it was worth it, so having everyone make me prove my role (which I can't do) at night might not be all bad.

Sharks 2
Sure, I'll take disguiser, but I'll definitely check my posts in here before posting in day chat. We have to take advantage of being able to post during the day, and I fully intend to....

GF
I will play like always and claim citizen, if I'm a target ;)

Sharks 1
The problem with claiming vigilante is that vigi's have a day shot in this setup, so you'd be expected to prove yourself immediately.

In general, if you're disguiser, any strategy that goes "I'm X, just let me live till tonight so I can prove myself" will be risky, since town knows that's exactly what a disguiser wants. In that situation, it would probably be better to claim that you were bus driver, and give our kidnapper's actions as your own (probably claiming to have driven yourself the night you got investigated).

*looks over the suggested roles*
Okay that sounds fine. [GF], are you really wanting consort? (You leave one consort for yourself)

Also, for the disguiser, I think that we should divvy up the possible disguiser options (players) to take notes on. Things to note for the disguiser are time they usually get on, style of posting, whether that person buddies or not, etc.

I'm really looking forward to this game. It's a pleasure and an honor to play with you fine gents.

GF
If I can have a role for myself sure. Guess I just didn't understand it

So this is what we have for roles so far:

[GF]: Consort
[Sharks 1]: Consigliere
[Sharks 2]: Disguiser
Mr. Hat: Kidnapper
[Sharks 3]: Consort

Once we have unanimity we should officially choose the roles. I see no problem with this and I will do my best as Kidnapper (if that's our final decision).

Any concerns about this list?

Sharks 2
No concerns, I think it'll be fine. Yay for not needing consig codes!

Sharks 1
I'm happy with those assignments too.

Do we need to PM FalseTruth with them, or something?

Sharks 1
Alright, so let's get this show on the road...

I officially choose Consigliere

It's an honor to be working with you folks. Good luck & have fun.

I officially choose Kidnapper

This shit just got real.

Sharks 2
I officially choose Disguiser

The time has come for the mafia to emerge victorious.... to arms my brothers!

GF
I officially choose Escort

im fat

GF
I officially choose Consort

Sorry

Sharks 3
so what's this officially choose stuff? Howcome things always happen when I'm away D:

Sharks 1
It's pretty much the way FM works. Unless you want to spend all day clicking refresh, important things are going to get said while you're away. In general it's not a big deal... the only thing to be worried about is getting lynched while you're away, but people generally wait for you to give a defense before hammering.

I just made the "officially choose" thing up. We have to choose our roles before the game will begin, so I wanted to make it clear that I was ready to go. Are you happy being consort?

Sharks 3
I'm fine with whatever is left.

[Mr. Hat]

[Sharks 3] should have typed in "I officially choose consort" when he was online...

Sharks 3
I officially choose consort

Sharks 2
So FalseTruth, can you tell us about how long we have to wait before the day begins. It can't possibly take the Jets that long to decide roles: we had it down within 24 hours....

(that's it for the first thread on night 1)

[Mr. Hat]

Here is the entire thread for our plans for day 1
[Sharks 1]
In this thread, I'd like to discuss the possibility of trying to get one of our own elected to mayor or pardoner tomorrow. Both could be extremely advantageous in the long run, though obviously it would be an incredibly risky game to play.

One possibility is to use our disguiser to get the role. Once the disguiser is elected mayor, he can disguise as somebody random, retaining the extra votes/pardoning power, but no one will know where that power has gone to. (If he does this, then he has to be really careful, because he'll still have the extra votes and if that becomes apparent, he'll die for sure.)

Another option is to make good use of our busdriver: elect one of us as mayor, then drive him every night. In the future, our kidnapper can legitimately say that he was trying to protect the mayor. This way, the town would have a hell of a time trying to investigate the mayor to make sure he's a good guy, which is what I assume will happen for whoever gets elected.

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Of course, the danger is that once the mafia-mayor gets exposed, everything could come crumbling down around us. It's pretty risky to put ourselves in the spotlight from the get-go. So the question is:

Is it worth it?

[Sharks 2]
I think that something we should definitely consider is what the town will look for when electing a mayor. I'm running through many potential strategies to get myself elected, but I always have to ask myself what I should be doing to get elected. In my opinion, the risk is far too high and the outcome has too much potential to be far less than favorable. However, I'm still open to the idea if we can flesh out a plan in the next few hours...

I do, however, like the kidnapper idea with the mayor. However, I think we could put it to even more use if the mayor wasn't one of us. I was thinking that we could switch our consig with the mayor every day so that the mayor always shows up as mafia, but the consig always shows up as whatever the mayor is (which still may be scum, but at least isn't one of us).

GF
I don't think we should really try hard to become mayor, I will try it anyways

[Sharks 2]
I have one question of the utmost importance to the survival of the Sharks..... what should I make my avatar? <3

choose one yourself. Just don't choose an avatar that looks like [GF]'s, [Sharks 1]'s, or my avatars. There's a whole lot of possibilities for you to choose from.

[Sharks 1]
You probably ought to chose an avatar for yourself. It's hard to imagine how, but if we have any input it might link us somehow.

For mayor, mostly I think the town will be looking for someone who seems really pro-town. What I'd do, if I were trying to get elected, would be one of the two following strategies: "I'm [Sharks 1 forum account] and a cit, so I'm the ideal situation for mayor: I'll be able to use it well, but if it gets me too much attention and I die, at least we won't be losing a power role." or "I'm an investigator. Now that I'm out, I'll need doc heals anyway, so it makes sense to give me mayor too in case there aren't many healing roles out there."


If the mayor isn't one of us, busdriving him won't be as useful, because he'll tell the town that he was driven. So if someone checks him and finds mafia, they'll want the busdriver to come forward with their targets.

If one of us isn't the Mayor then I won't bus drive him. But I do have an idea to use the kidnapper to make us able to bypass heals: We aim to kill one of the lurkers or people who aren't likely to be targeted and I switch that person with our real target. That way, any player who is healing our target actually heals the lurker/non-target.

The only problem I see with this is that a lookout might watch our target and see me visit the lurker/non-target, but I can hopefully lie and say that I am a bus driver and I did switch the dead player with someone else (probably a lurker or someone who I can say I think is scum)

Another reason to use my idea is that on the Kidnapper role card it says "the mayor is immune to bus drives" So our plan about the mayor won't work

[Sharks 1]
Awesome. XD


Then again, if you're ever pressured to claim, your driving decisions might need to make sense from the perspective of the town. We should probably keep your strategy in mind for when we're targeting someone high profile, or who we need to be absolutely sure will die.

Ah, and good catch.

[Sharks 3]
Wow I missed out a lot when I was sleeping. Ok [Sharks 2] I will try to change my writing style completely. Is that alright people?

[Sharks 2]
You mean [Sharks 1]... As far as posting habits go, just pretend that you're typing a college essay (no grammar errors, spellcheck used, etc.). Try to identify the quirks of your posts and remove them (ex: I use many ellipses in my posts). As a new player, you're hard to recognize, but you can still be identified and exploited.

[Sharks 1]
So I suppose the consensus is that we will not attempt to get one of us elected mayor?

In that case, I think it's best not to discuss what our voting plans are; we should try to make decisions as independently as possible.

FYI this isn't day 1 specific but it fits in this thread. I was thinking as I was walking the dog earlier. I had an idea that would give the most chance for the mafia to finally win a FM.

The idea involves us asking the Jets to coordinate actions through our death note because dealing with 26 town plus the backstabbing lover would be hard for either team to win. The thing is, is that we can ensure the lover's obedience if we would take advantage of the "mafia" event. Here's how my idea goes into practice:

We kill someone with the death note (we actually don't need to use the death note if the lover speaks up) asking the Jets if they would like to coordinate actions for a joint win. If they accept then the lover would let us know. The lovers coordinate actions across both factions until both teams decide it would be advantageous to merge (this would be when we don't need 2 KPN each night). Each team would sacrifice two members (GF and another, we can decide later) so that we can merge through the event and really have a joint win.

After that, the clean up should be easy. And because the Factions would become one, the dead mafia could win with the living mafia as well.

What do you say to this?

[Sharks 1]
It sounds potentially like a good idea, but

1) It requires a lot of trust on the lovers' part, since for now they aren't aligned with us. They'd have to stay alive until we were able to trigger the mafia event, which is something we don't want to do until a few days into the game, at least.

2) Is FalseTruth ok with it? Planning to work together with the Jets is, for now, basically opposite of our stated win conditions, so I'd understand if False considered it equivalent to gamethrowing.

FT okays it

[Sharks 2]
It sounds like a good idea, but I think there are two problems to consider...
1) This event allows all 10 mafia to win. Though the Lover event only allows 8 mafia to win, it means that there will be 8 mafia instead of 6 AND it only requires 1 kill action to trigger (while the mafia event takes 4 kill actions to trigger). The point is that, though it may be more idealistic, it isn't as practical as triggering the Lover event. As a result, there may be others who are more inclined to support the Lover event...
2) It requires trust and communication with the Jets. Unless the Lovers reveal (see reason 1), communication will be difficult and anything we do will surely be watched and obstructed with by lookouts, detectives, doctors, bus drivers, etc.

My conclusion: let's wait and see how Day 1 goes before making a REAL conclusion.

PS: I might be tempted to log onto [Sharks 2 forum account] when Day 1 starts so that any observant people can catch me looking with my real account (as if I logged off of [Sharks 2] until Day 1 started).

[Sharks 2] (during day 1)
Gerald sees me as scummy (twitch twitch).... hmm, I guess I should look to find where the tell was?

[Sharks 1]
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Lots of random accusations are getting tossed around, and you have less to worry about than most of the rest of us. Gerald isn't a particularly credible accuser.

[Sharks 2]
For the future, here are some strong role claims if you don't want to claim your investigation pair:

-Sheriff (sheriff investigation pair involves 2 benign neutrals, sheriff results easy to make up)
-Doctor (doctor has no sure way to prove role, investigation pair involves 2 evil neutrals, GREAT IF EVIL NEUTRAL IS ARSONIST)
-Armorsmith/Gunsmith (investigation pair is arsonist, can easily fake giving items to dead people)

I, for one, plan on claiming Gunsmith or Sheriff if I need to claim.

Oh, and FalseTruth pretty much shot down your idea with the new rule (about the Mafia Event) Mr. Hat.

I have to say, things seem to be going well... I am contemplating running for Mayor tomorrow. I feel like I have earned the trust of many today, and I think I could potentially win pardoner if nothing else. A disguiser in a power role accomplishes 3 things. 1) As [Sharks 1] mentioned, I have the power to completely remove a role from the game. 2) I have the power to, if I can find the right role, frame someone with my death. 3) I have the power to, for 1 day, make completely anti-town decisions with the intent of disguising that night. I have many possible role claims that would allow me to survive until the night, and I believe that I have even set myself up to claim citizen if the need arises (reducing the odds of me getting roleblocked at an 'unfortunate moment). Of course, one must always consider the risk of being investigated, but I could still disguise on N2 if I felt unsafe, as [Sharks 1] suggested... Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Hey [Sharks 3], are you really leaving for a few days or are you just going into lurk mode? What do you think of everything?

I see that. There was so much going for that idea, too.

Do you think I should post some more? Or just stay waaaaaay in the shadows with my small post count?

I'm straying towards lurking for the time being.

[Sharks 1]
Lurking seems fine to me; it'd also be more or less consistent with a bus driver role claim, later on, I'd think.

[Sharks 2]
Looking back at past forum mafias, we can determine 2 things:
1) The town has a great hatred for lurkers, and....
2) The town will do nothing about it

In other words, I'm sure they won't do crap, have a ball.

[Sharks 1]
Well, now it appears that we can use the rep system to send notes anonymously.

I have a very, very strong inkling of who someone is on the other mafia team. Should I drop him a line that Cartman isn't our lover, so they don't waste an attack on him?

(Also, btw, his supposed role list is too similar to ours... I think there's basically no way that False gave the same roles to both teams.)

[Sharks 2]
I don't think we should risk it. If need be, we can just leave a deathnote disowning Cartman. I think he's made it clear enough that he's lying, and the ruse is up.

[Sharks 1], can you find me an investigator ASAP? I'd like to make up a few phony investigation results when I disguise (for instance, we could say that Mr. Hat came up as a sheriff/executioner/jester to clear him).

[Sharks 1]
Working on it. You've got to be careful with what you say, though, in case it incriminates us instead...

Who should I vote for? I'm leaning towards Tweek Tweak if he's a candidate.

[Sharks 1]
Of all the candidates, I think that Tweek and McDaniels are most likely to be town, and Butters is the least.

Plus it would be good for me to be consistent. I put my nomination on him and I will vote for him. It would make more sense than voting any of the other candidates

[Sharks 1]
The votes aren't going to be public, are they?

We should start planning for our night actions. I'm in favor of [Sharks 2]'s plan to take out an investigator right away. Who should I check tonight? Who do we think is likely to be a town investigative role, or who can we not read very well yet?

I'd like to know what Cartman actually is. He's probably masochist or ghost, but what if he's a town PR trying to hide behind a veil of scumminess?

Lastly, I still don't know what I think about who our targets should be. Our win condition right now is to take out the Jets... maybe we should be trying to do that.

If we kill all the Jets, and take out their lover last, does the game end right then with a victory for us?

[Sharks 2]
If the votes are public, I intend to vote for Big Gay Al (he is the popular choice). If the votes AREN'T public, I intend to vote for McDaniels (I think that there's a good chance that she isn't town).

As far as tonight goes, I think that:
A) I shall kill for us (probably someone like Jimbo)
B) [Sharks 1] should investigate someone who has a high chance of being an investigative role (look for the people that posted alot yet never hinted at their role, ran for mayor, or accused many people).
C) Mr. Hat should either refrain from using his ability or he should switch [Sharks 1] or myself with someone with a low post count (someone who might not talk or who gets ignored).
D) [GF] should roleblock Big Gay Al (with our 2 consorts, I highly doubt that the Jets will have a 3rd consort to do it for us).
E) [Sharks 3] should roleblock.... Jimmy maybe? Frankly, I'm still pissed that FalseTruth reused the name Jimmy (I died on night 2 as Jimmy in FM V because I was foolish enough not to use a vest I got on night 1) .

[Sharks 1]
Why do you want to block Al? Did he claim something that I've missed?

One of our consorts ought to block someone who seems rather scummy, so that if they have to claim escort later on their actions will seem justified.

As for what to do with our kidnapper, I like the idea of proctecting one of us from invests. It's probably just my normal paranoia, but I feel like I've made myself look a lot more scummy than any of the rest of you. So it'd be nice if I could be swapped with Stephen (or someone else who seems fairly likely to be town). Then if the BD ever has to roleclaim, he should say he swapped himself with Stephen on N2. (That way, no counterclaims will make him look scummy, and on the off chance that I got checked, the sheriff/inves will believe the read he got.) Or the same plan if we want to protect anyone else.

As for the election, I plan to vote for Clyde. Of all the frontrunners in the nomination, he's the one I'd most like to see getting mayor or pardoner.

[Sharks 2]
I want to block Al because I suspect that he is a PR. I can't remember if he ever specifically claimed PR (it is difficult, not being able to search the posts of individual people with the restrictions on accounts), but I certainly don't think he's a citizen. Then again, this is just another hunch, so I'm certainly open to other suggestions.

I pretty much agree with you on everything you said, and I will reconsider my voting (I think that, in the event that the votes AREN'T made public, we should all vote together to maximize the chance of our candidate being elected). [Sharks 3] and [GF] seemed to have avoided attention, and I have an easy way to escape, so swapping you is a good idea. I do worry about [Sharks 3] though: if what he said was true, then he won't be back on for another day or two and he may miss elections..... T.T

[Mr. Hat]

Here's the first real night. Why are there two night 1s?

]OK, so apparently voting is public.... in that case, I shall vote for Big Gay Al (a safe candidate of apparent worth who no one will criticize me for voting for). I advise that you all find other candidates to support so that we don't get caught in a group. Again, I worry for [Sharks 3]'s safety, so I must ask this question:

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I think that I'll vote for Tweek Tweak so that I seem to be consistent with my nomination.

]I plan to invest McDaniels since I think he's a possible town investigative role.

I also suggest that we kill Kenny unless you've got other suggestions.

]Can [GF] become the mafioso himself? I'm guessing no....

[Sharks 1], I actually suggest that we kill Clyde. My notes on him suggest that he is scum, probably in the Jets. I don't understand why people trust him and if he is in the Jets then he will be gunning for us. If he is in the Jets then everyone who nominated him or said that they trusted him will be under suspicion.

[Sharks 1], I will switch you with Stephen, as you think that he is likely to be town. Another option is Bebe as no scum should ever do something like that.

Well, I guess I will -Drive [Sharks 1] and Steven

Just so that I'm not caught unawares with the night ending or something.

]I'm happy with killing Clyde, too. I agree that he's probably a member of the Jets.

]If [GF] doesn't show up in time, can the rest of us agree to kill Clyde send [Sharks 2]? Or are we gonna lose two players to modkill and not get a night kill off?

]me so lazy

]who wants to be mafioso?

Make [Sharks 2] the mafioso. Our disguiser shouldn't disguise on the first real night of the game.

]Btw. I'm soon a bit more active again.

MAKE [Sharks 2] MAFIOSO

kill Clyde send [Sharks 2]

]Oh, it's mafioso for a night? I thought he meant for one of us to permanently turn into a mafioso... OK then, I'll do it.

Do we want a death note? If so, what?

][Sharks 2], make sure you submit the order to kill Clyde.

I can't think of much to do with a death note.

Our consorts might think about blocking Jimmy, Sharon, or Jimbo.

]Hmm.... should we disown Cartman?

]The only value I could see in that is keeping the Jets from wasting a kill on him. But then again, if he's a ghost, them killing him is a good thing.

If he wants to confuse the town with an implausible claim, I'm more or less happy to let him keep doing that.

]So FalseTruth, do we get any compensation if [Sharks 3] is modkilled?

]sorry guys I'm late.

]ok so what are we talking about now? What do I have to do inorder not to get mod-pwned?

]who should I block? Any ideas on who the jets are?

[QUOTE=Mr. HatVote in the election[/QUOTE]

]it's night how am I supposed to vote?

]oh nvm

]whew disaster has been averted

I don't know who you should block.

]well now i can only type with my left hand

DAY 2

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN. WHY WOULD THEY ATTACK STEPHEN?!?

]OMFG NOT [Sharks 1 forum account]!!! WHY!?!?

RIP [Sharks 1 forum account], we shall avenge you

]My plan for today: chime in every once in awhile, but avoid posting more than a few times today. In other words, lurk but don't troll...

]As of now, things are getting pretty heated around Wendy. As such, I highly suggest you all just lay low like me and post minimally. My plan is to maintain neutrality (without actually saying it, of course) and to avoid as much attention as possible by posting little, but also making my posts somewhat meaningful. I think that, at this rate, they will deal a great deal of damage to themselves before they ever even get a hint that we are who we are... also, I am contemplating making an offering of peace to the Jets in the next deathnote. After last night, both mafia are struggling, and any attempt to destroy the other mafia will likely bring about our own destruction by the town. I plan on giving it a day or two before we again turn our focus to the Jets...

Ya know, that sounds like my plan, too.

I'm sitting here lurking and watching people ask each other if they're Dust and seeing them reply "No, but X is" and it's so funny.

Now this IS interesting. I have enough influence to get someone to claim a role in the next post after mine. We'll have to see where this influence gets us later on in the game.

So Bradley is lying. He said that his night 1 action was to repel Cartman. When you look at the prostitute role card it says "and" not "or" for the actions. He either is keeping the lure secret or is lying. I am more convinced that he is lying. Should I bring this up?

I feel that doing that would bring a lot of attention to me and I don't want attention at all.

I need to know if the risk is worth the reward.

I'm going to do it. I hope this works.

Damn, things are NOT looking up for us. Consigliere killed because the other mafia targeted the sheriff that checked our disguiser. This day is not good for us at all.

]I haven't actually read that far, but I'll probably claim citizen if the need arises...

You might want to stall until the day ends so that you can disguise as someone and discredit Stephen. That will be hard because the day still has about 3 real life days in it to go.

]Yeah... I advise pushing hard for the Bradley lynch. I can defend myself against Stephen, but I'm still contemplating a roleclaim... Citizen (credible), or something where I could 'prove myself'.

]Sadly, the vig kills before I disguise T.T

Damn

]When I come back later, I'm gonna claim in day chat. Any suggestions? So far, I plan on claiming citizen, discrediting Stephen, discrediting Gerald, and justifying my actions. Tonight, I need you (Mr. Hat) to switch me...

I will do as commanded.

]Thank you very much: you're (literally) a lifesaver. We could use this opportunity to make the vigilante shoot someone 'unexpected', or we could bring suspicion on the guy who got the gunsmith's gun...

[Mr. Hat]

Here's some more pre- and post- lover claim

It is an opportunity that we should take. Sorry for seeming to be against you in the day chat. I need to fit in.

Don't sweat it: the double lynch idea presents a... scary obstacle, but I am confident that the vigilante won't kill today, so I only have to ensure that; A) McDaniels doesn't use her lynch, or B) Someone gets lynched instead. Also, the jailor 100% can't be allowed to jail me... If all of this can be averted, I'm home-free. Until then, take anti-me stances.

The site going down really screwed up my plans T.T now I don't have my comp with me to make my epic post...

Well, it looks like my time has come. As a last resort, would you mind letting me see some of your guy's notes so I can act like a 'vigilant citizen' who analyzes every post? I don't plan on posting everything: just enough to maybe convince someone of my innocence...

Hmm... The 2 times I was scum, I was investigated on the first possible night: I really need to find why that is...

Well, does anyone have anymore ideas? I've got Barbrady to back me up and I tried to imply executioner with the FM II reference, but people wanna lynch me to know the truth now.

OK, I seem to have caught a break. Regardless, I ask that you bus drive me if I should be jailed. If I volunteer to be jailed and investigated, I can have my name cleared by tomorrow.

By the way, I now have almost undisputable evidence that Chef is, in fact, the Jets lover. I suggest that you take great care lover, if you wish to survive.... Hmm.... Mr. Hat or [Sharks 3]? This is the question.

How did you get some rep? The two reps that I got had no messages and were for my pointing out the lie of Bradley's claim.

I am curious. What is this evidence? And our lover could be you, too. You or [Sharks 3].

It's part of the notes I've been compiling to fake citizen... He says he knows I'm mafia because 'he's got a feeling' about me... AKA I know because my lover told me that Sharks 2 is mafia.

I'll be out: please remind everyone that it's New Years Eve since I won't be home for a few hours more... I don't want to come home shot.

I did get rep.... Hmm, I'll check it later. Be back soon...

I will do my best to dissuade people from shooting you while on a holiday.

THIS IS AFTER US LOVERS CLAIM

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

:P I bet you didn't see that coming.

The Jets godfather just lost the game for you all. Blame him. I was planning on staying secret for a while now. His threat made it necessary for Kenny and me to claim. You must understand that this is not personal in any way and I respect all of you. Sorry that we had to do this to you due to events out of your control.

Yeah, Zane, I've been seeing other people. I hope you understand, my love.

Well, I suppose that [Sharks 1] and I were wrong.... curses. Oh FM God, why must I be so cursed! Why is it that the mafia must fail whenever I am one of them!? Oh please, remove this dreaded curse from me!

I suppose that we kinda killed ourselves, though. Ah, so many unfortunate mistakes and happenings.... the lover mechanic was cool, but it clearly needs to be refined. I suppose that this is the price of experimentation...

Keep all suggestions to yourself [Sharks 3] and [GF]. We won't speak until the day is over.... try to hammer Bradley ASAP.

I guess I will unvote then

Mr. Hat, we may have lost ourselves, but we still have the power to destroy you. I HIGHLY suggest that you vote up Bradley if you and Kenny wish to live...

How do you plan on killing me?

You cannot target me. Part of the mafia!

Also I have the town's support. I see no way for you to get at me lol

If need be, I will +rep one of the Jets (its amazing what you find when you actually take notes) and tell them of our plans....

It is clear that I will die today from McDaniels double lynch (that is, unless you lynch Bradley fast enough). If I should die, I have a last will which will be used to plot with the Jets to plan your demise....

We have a lawyer. We can forge your last will to death. You will die anyway to the vigilante and we can forge it to something, a little more helpful for the town.

Then I shall reveal before I am lynched and make my plea without a will. You also forget, the lawyer can only forge a will at night. If I am to be lynched, Kenny won't have a chance and your demise shall be planned. This can all be averted if you just vote up Bradley...

Also, you forget that we have a neutral killer who will stop at nothing to see you dead. If it is a Spree killer, you are already dead. If it is an arsonist, than we shall capitalize on the opportunity to see you destroyed....

You are the reason that [Sharks 1] is dead! You make me sick.... I pray that you and Kenny enjoy the rest of your life together: we shall ensure that it is a short life.

You forget that we have the town on our side. If you plan on revealing the rest of the mafia so that us lovers cannot win, then I suggest that you don't do that. FT would consider that game-throwing.

They neutral killer could never want to see us dead. A revealed mafia gives the town so much more power.

You forgot that the town can't communicate without revealing... they can't coordinate your protection. We will find a hole in your defense and kill the traitors...

YOU forget that we have any doctors on me with any bodyguards switching between the claimed town roles with the possibility of protecting me

I suppose you can't know if we can pull it off until you're dead.... if need be, I'm sure the godfathers would be willing to sacrifice themselves to kill you guys... -suicide ftw :P

Wouldn't that be considered game-throwing because they lose in that event?

OK [Sharks 3] and [GF], switch to rep chat from now on. Let's give Mr. Hat a taste of what it's like to be 'in the dark'...

It's sort of hard to do that ya know. There's a limit on the size of the message and you can't give more than 2 rep per person per some amount of days. Good luck with that

It's amazing how much you can summarize in so few words...

It's amazing how much is lost when sentences are condensed....

Night 2

-Drive Kenny and Sharks 2

trololololololol

Kill Self, Send Self

TROLOLOLOLOL

^ Because '-suicide' just won't cut it in this situation...

you don't even know if that's what I'm going to actually do. You can kill yourself. I don't care

You do realize that we're all screwed, right? Even if you survive tonight, the town will probably see to it that you die sooner or later: their 'support' will be short lived.

Why do you think I'm keeping information hidden. They will NEED us lovers alive to get to all of you.

If that was the case, then how is it that the mafia have yet to win a game despite the lack of lovers to do the town's bidding? I don't think you're keeping information, but I certainly shouldn't openly discuss my plans in the midst of my enemy (who has been discussing my own destruction with a member of a rival mafia)... Dust, I'll harbor no ill feelings towards you after this game: I respect you as a player and as a friend. However, it is my duty to destroy you, my enemy, when the time is right, and to let you know how is counterproductive... I'm sure you could guess if you really wanted to.

The feeling is mutual. I can guess but I won't. I don't want to inadvertently give you an idea.

lol

You can tell me in dead chat: I doubt it'll be long before we are reunited there...

[Mr. Hat]

This is it for the Sharks. I told you they aren't as talkative as the Jets.

Well, I wish you luck on your goal of my destruction when nothing you can do can stop your loss. You may want to attack some of the town, they will be very strong after this night unless you do something.

Don't forget: I'm screwed unless I disguise. A townie will die tonight, you can be assured of that... Also, I'm sure the Jets are plotting, and they may have greater methods of removing the town from the equation.

I will neither confirm nor deny anything about the Jets. You may speculate as much as you want.

And I shall. However, I'll wait a bit since at least 80 of these 100+ posts are between us... [Sharks 3] and GF can't be AFK forever.

So... A dead Shark, Jet, and Witch coupled with a revealed Shark and Jet lover pair attempting to kill the last 6 mafia... Unless this neutral killer is amazing at FM, the town pretty much has it in the bag. That's too bad too... I was really proud of escaping a lynch today.

Well, it's been 4 days since either [Sharks 3] or GF last posted here... that tends to make it difficult to win. Can I request a modkill or something FalseTruth? Time is ticking, and I don't intend to lose because half of the remaining Sharks are AFK. No, I'd rather lose because Mr. Hat has the power to destroy us...

two accounts are annoying

I will destroy you WOAAAAAAAR

lol I don't use my main account during forum mafia. So GF, please respond to the rep.

Aww screw it. I guess there isn't really anything you can do about it now anyway.....

I think it's pretty simple how we kill Mr. Hat: just roleblock him. We have 2 consorts, so we roleblock him and make the vigilante actually shoot Kenny. So.... can you do that? lol

I can do many things

oooh what a scary plan that you guys have. I'm so scared!

Consort can't block me. I'm in the same mafia as they are.